Ya feel lucky punk? (cheap nozzles)

[wolf_walker]

Some states have odd commerce rules. 
One reason I haven't ordered is finding a payment method I'm comfortable with.
No paypal and my CC# isn't going on there..

[shwak23]

Get a paypal debit card.... all you need to do is ask basically. (Click link once logged in.) It is just a card attached to your paypal account. You can even withdraw from your account using an ATM. My girlfriend has an account and we both have cards in each of our name attached to it. Plus obviously it allows you to use paypal anywhere. I think you get some minor % cash back when you use it for "credit" purchases IRL. If you can't wait for that just go to walmart or a gas station and get a prepaid credit card. I believe walmart has cards you can load with as little or as much money as you'd like.

Plus Ali express seems to be a massive website... I would assume it is safe. Plus one of the reasons people have credit cards is because if something happens like your card gets stolen or misused the CC company can correct it. I

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[vanbcguy]

I've ordered stuff through Ali Express. They are more like an eBay than anything. You place an order, Ali Express passes it to the supplier. Ali Express holds your money until you indicate that you have received the product at which point Ali Express releases the funds to the supplier. They have no control over the individual vendors other than booting off ones who get excessive negative feedback.

So basically if you see something on there claiming to be from a particularly well known vendor for an insanely low price you can probably expect it to be counterfeit. Most of the time the vendors won't actually specify the maker despite the product appearing to be from a well known source.

The other big thing you'll find on there is lots and lots of suppliers who will manufacture whatever you want if you send them specifications. In fact you can do that using Ali Express - they will let you submit your plans and get bids back.

Anyhow, those definitely aren't Bosch nozzles. They'll be more like Prothe ones (maybe even the same supplier!)

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[wolf_walker]

That was my assumption, but a guy on the D24 board hot some from them, and if they are counterfeit they are precise, yo the box bar codes and orangish brown lettering on the nozzle. Were it not for that I wouldn't be so curious.

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[vanbcguy]

I bought an HKS turbo timer through Ali Express - it is definitely counterfeit but yeah, the packaging and everything is perfect. If you can make high precision injector nozzles then etching some markings and printing a box is trivial in comparison.

Anyhow the important thing is "do they spray right" and "do they leak". Given that genuine Bosch nozzles seem to have issues in that regard I don't see any harm in trying an alternative product.

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[wolf_walker]

http://www.d24t.com/showthread.php?t=1039&highlight=nozzles

Yonder thread is where I cam across these.

[bajacalal]

Some states have odd commerce rules. 
One reason I haven't ordered is finding a payment method I'm comfortable with.
No paypal and my CC# isn't going on there..

I absolutely do not understand your rationale, at all. Your liability, as the cardholder, for credit card fraud is limited by federal law. Buying things, on the internet, with a credit card, is one of the safest methods of payment. You are not liable for charges that you did not authorize, at all, if your credit card number (but not the physical card) is obtained by another person, for example. This is because of the Fair Credit Billing Act, which does not apply to debit cards, btw... So you are not as protected when using a debit card and may not be able to get your money back in a case of fraud, though many banks extend the same policies used for credit cards to their debit cards.

Paypal is run by a fortune 500 company and takes great lengths to keep their data secure, and in any case, your liability is limited by law, and by the policies of individual credit issuers. You are much, much more likely to become a victim of credit card fraud by using your card at places like restaurants and gas stations where there is little regard for credit card security, or from someone who has access to your physical card or computer, than from a legitimate service such as paypal.

I have had my credit card numbers stolen several times. It's a hassle, yes, but it's not the end of the world that people make it out to be, and in each case the companies were very good about refunding any money. In every case, it was, I believe, caused by people who handled the credit card, servers and employees and such.

[wolf_walker]

They don't take paypal, or I'd have used it.
And I should say debit card rather than credit card, never had one of the latter.

I have money in a few spots but can ill afford someone to run off with it from
any of the debit accounts even if I do manage to get the charges reversed.
I take cards and paypal through work as an online retailer so I'm not
ignorant of the avenues available to a consumer, I just don't want to deal with
them.  And while I have brought us up to spec on PCI/DSS security compliance
and net safety regs at the request of our card service and PP, I'm not more
confident from seeing how things are done where I work, rather the opposite.
I talk to customers every day that have had card numbers used by someone else
and they all say it was a miserable experience.  And there is no refund policy
on grief and aggravation. 

First and best step out of a problem is avoiding it.
I'm not dieing for cheap nozzles, it'd just be nice.

[EcoTX]

Straight from AutohausAZ:

"Dear Troy,

We regret to inform you that our stock for diesel nozzle part number 0 434 250 138 has been depleted. We have checked with several of our direct importers and found that this part is now on back order with no expected delivery date.

We are certainly sorry for this inaccuracy in our catalog and any inconvenience this may cause you. The remainder of your order is available and currently scheduled to ship tomorrow. However, if you would like to make any changes to your order due to the stock outage of part number 0 434 250 138, please let us know by tomorrow morning. Otherwise, we will ship the remainder of your order so as not to delay the delivery of the other parts you selected.

Thank you for your understanding in this matter. Please do not hesitate to let us know if you have any questions or require further assistance.

Best Regards,
Paul, Customer Service
Local (602) 276-9402 - Toll Free (800) 240-4620
[email protected] - http://www.AutohausAZ.com"

Actually worked out for the better for me...
I found out AFTER I ordered that the injectors I intended to use were popping great and already set at 155 bar.

The guys at the diesel shop did it for free and even let me go in the back and put my own two eyes on the whole process of popping and testing each injector.
They seemed to all have driven or drive diesel cars too!
One guy had an 83 Quantum TD back in the day he said, and the fella I talked to doing the injector testing said he would really like to find a nice diesel (or turbo diesel ) Rabbit to drive.

It was really cool, it is amazing to see the difference in injector technology over the years and the testing equipment they require for today's current tech. WOW!  It is some major high $$$ stuff!

[wolf_walker]

Lotsa Meyle available in that PN. They are probly Chinese too.

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[JFettig]

Just because they look right, and even measure out right, doesn't mean they'll work right or last.

Take a good pic of the backs of the nozzles, lets see if the machining marks are even anywhere close.

This is what a bosio nozzle looks like
http://i.imgur.com/RWqKO7z.jpg

[wolf_walker]

The Indian made Bosch I have on hand look somehow chintzy on the business end machining-wise.
But that's just eyeballing.

[shwak23]

They don't take paypal, or I'd have used it.
And I should say debit card rather than credit card, never had one of the latter.

I have money in a few spots but can ill afford someone to run off with it from
any of the debit accounts even if I do manage to get the charges reversed.
I take cards and paypal through work as an online retailer so I'm not
ignorant of the avenues available to a consumer, I just don't want to deal with
them.  And while I have brought us up to spec on PCI/DSS security compliance
and net safety regs at the request of our card service and PP, I'm not more
confident from seeing how things are done where I work, rather the opposite.
I talk to customers every day that have had card numbers used by someone else
and they all say it was a miserable experience.  And there is no refund policy
on grief and aggravation. 

First and best step out of a problem is avoiding it.
I'm not dieing for cheap nozzles, it'd just be nice.

Again..... Paypal debit card or prepaid card. Are 150% safe..................

I used to talk to people everyday as well who had card issues. Usually they were morons and had ordered an automatically recurring item and then had to call customer service of said company to cancell.... They later tell the story as if their card had been stolen and charges put on it without their consent. Which was 99% of the time not the case. People are dumb. I used to tell them to get a prepaid card to ease their tiny minds. ;-)

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[wolf_walker]

Its on my to do list. Sorta.
After going through the joy that is ID theft
I'm less quick to sign up for stuff than I once was. Paypal says the Fed wants them to have my SSN suddenly after using them for years without it.
I convinced them otherwise for the
moment. I've had prepaid cards as gifts before, might be the easiest way.

The guys I talk to with stolen CC's are generally businesses. I suspect shady vendors slip in charges here and there hoping the card holders accountants miss it.
They are probably successful at least part of the time.

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[shwak23]

I was checking out a few of these Chinese vendor middleman type sites. All of them were hocking these nozzles and injection pump parts. One part from what I could tell was a hydraulic head quite similar to ours. However it was a small picture and I do not believe myself qualified to determine by a $hitty picture whether or not they would work.

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