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Reply #30February 10, 2009, 11:32:45 pm

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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2009, 11:32:45 pm »
ive had a few different turbo diesels, and so far, my favorite combination is the 1.5 with a turbo. my current 1.5 has more power than my 1.6td had. and ive had the same turbo on all of the engines. (VNT17) and ive had no problem running 25 psi without an intercooler. i wouldnt suggest doing this by any means.. but they will handle it. i accidently ran 37 psi into my first 1.5, and lets just say that the block was screwed after that. head studs and metal gaskets wouldnt have saved me there. i cracked the threads and block/deck. the head gasket was fine until there was only 7 bolts holding torque on the head. but as of now, im running a max boost of about 18 psi and i have hardly any smoke. i still dont have an EGT gauge tho. but if you keep it under 15 psi or so, you should have no ill effects to the longevity of the engine. i run my diesel hard when i drive it just because i know i can..

Reply #31February 11, 2009, 04:36:17 am

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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2009, 04:36:17 am »
Did you say your running head studs and a MLS hg on a 1.5l.... Where did you get it i want one!!! (for the 1.5l)
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Reply #32February 11, 2009, 06:34:01 am

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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2009, 06:34:01 am »
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Did you say your running head studs and a MLS hg on a 1.5l.... Where did you get it i want one!!! (for the 1.5l)


If your useing the 11mm fasteners, just use the 1.9 AAZ metal head gasket and center the bolt holes as best you can befor you lower the head.  If you useing the 12mm fasteners, no problem.  I got my head studs for the 1.5TD and 1.6TD from Raceware.

I did the 1.5TD thing as an R&D project as I suspected that the shorter stroke, longer rods, and same size bore were indicators that the engine could possibly generate more HP at high RPM than the 1.6.  I even had a special 1.5TD pump built by Bosche from a yellow dot 1.5 pump and the LDA top from a 1.6TD pump.  From the 100 or so miles that I tested it, it indicated that there were gold in them there hills.  

However, it was always pressureizing the cooling system, be it with the original head, studs and fibre gasket, the original head, studs, and metal head gasket, or the last itteration, which was a brand new 1.6 11mm head, studs and metal head gasket.  It was always a slight leak, so I suspected the block was cracked, but i haven't tore into it yet.

I was running a k24, and its probably a little big for the 1.5.  A VNT would do a better job.  The k24 wouldn't build significant boost at lower RPM and the EGT would shoot up, until the rpm climbed up enough to spin the turbo.  It did have impressive higher RPM power.  Boost would stabilize around 25 PSI, and the EGT would drop down to somewhere around 1100° F or lower, and it would really fly.  I don't think high boost is a killer in these engines, but too much fuel (smoke) will do them (and 1.6s) in.  An EGT measurement is cheap and very easy to install, especially when you have everything appart, and it really removes all doubt.  A VDO vision EGT gauge, coupled with the Aircraft Spruce thermocouple is very effective combination.  I think I even have an extra white faced VDO egt gauge laying around somewhere and an extre Spruce thermocouple that I'll let go for cheap if your interested.

I suspect all 1.5 blocks are stressed out right from the factory as the original head bolts don't even use half of the thread depth in the block.  So when they torqued them at the factory, the damage was done.

If you can find a good 1.6 block, it would be definatly worthwhile to put the 1.5 guts into it.

I will resurect the 1.5TD project soon.  It will use a 1.6 or 1.6td block.  I have to see if I can machine the small ends of the 1.5 rods to accept the bigger 1.6TD wrist pin and bushing, as there is no such thing as oversized 1.5 pistons.
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Reply #33February 11, 2009, 11:38:42 am

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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2009, 11:38:42 am »
well, i have a 1.5 with a cracked block, but perfect internals, i have a REAL TD motor out of an 84 jetta that i picked up for 250 bucks years ago. i also have access to 2 1.6 n/a's and im pretty sure my grandpa has an 11mm 1.6 head. i have the real lda pump and turbo injectors. im running a gasser intake just for the huge intake runners. my head is ported  and gasket matched on the intake side. i have a 4 spd trans right now and i can burn rubber clear through second gear on dry pavement (3rd if its kinda wet). i dont have an intercooler yet. but im still running a stock pump and jectors as we speak. but, the 1.5 still went better with n/a fuel supply. and im comparing that to my 1.6TD and i had both set ups on it, the 1.6 turbo pump & inj, and i had the 1.5 pump and injectors too for a while. it would never spool the turbo as fast, and not have near as much top end power, it did always have a little more torque it seemed. and that 1.5/1.6TD.. keep me updated on that.. cause i have enough good parts to build one. and i just had another thought. as you were saying to get the 1.5 rods resized for 1.6 pistons im pretty sure wouldnt work unless you figured out some way to get your compression back up.. cause the 1.6 pistons have the wrist pin hole closer to the head of the piston. 1.5's have there hole damn near a quarter inch lower than that.. and actually, whoever told you there is no such thing as 1.5 over size piston, is lying to you.. i have a set of 1mm oversize pistons and rings.

Reply #34February 11, 2009, 02:57:28 pm

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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2009, 02:57:28 pm »
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If your useing the 11mm fasteners, just use the 1.9 AAZ metal head gasket and center the bolt holes as best you can befor you lower the head.


I am using tha 11mm hb's. The centering of the headbolts makes sence but the center oil drain back hole is much smaller on the 1.5l then the 1.6l, how would that work??


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I think I even have an extra white faced VDO egt gauge laying around somewhere and an extre Spruce thermocouple that I'll let go for cheap if your interested.


Saurkraut I am very interested in that guage and spruce tc. if it turns out you do still have it and would want to sell it, let me know what price and payment method.


Rabbit on Roids, as for engine parts i have one set of 1.5l engine parts and 3 compleat 1.6lna engines... Well how this turbo build is working out is i started out with a 1.5l engine (which when i started the rebuild i did'nt know that it was a 1.5l untill i went to assemble the pistons to rods after i bored the block 40 over) and took the 1.6l crank and rods and put them into the 1.5l block, and used the 1.5l mechanical head and everything else. So as of engine parts i'm set but if anything comes up i'll let you know.
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Reply #35February 11, 2009, 03:40:47 pm

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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2009, 03:40:47 pm »
Quote from: "Rabbit on Roids"
well, i have a 1.5 with a cracked block, but perfect internals, i have a REAL TD motor out of an 84 jetta that i picked up for 250 bucks years ago. i also have access to 2 1.6 n/a's and im pretty sure my grandpa has an 11mm 1.6 head. i have the real lda pump and turbo injectors. im running a gasser intake just for the huge intake runners. my head is ported  and gasket matched on the intake side. i have a 4 spd trans right now and i can burn rubber clear through second gear on dry pavement (3rd if its kinda wet). i dont have an intercooler yet. but im still running a stock pump and jectors as we speak. but, the 1.5 still went better with n/a fuel supply. and im comparing that to my 1.6TD and i had both set ups on it, the 1.6 turbo pump & inj, and i had the 1.5 pump and injectors too for a while. it would never spool the turbo as fast, and not have near as much top end power, it did always have a little more torque it seemed. and that 1.5/1.6TD.. keep me updated on that.. cause i have enough good parts to build one. and i just had another thought. as you were saying to get the 1.5 rods resized for 1.6 pistons im pretty sure wouldnt work unless you figured out some way to get your compression back up.. cause the 1.6 pistons have the wrist pin hole closer to the head of the piston. 1.5's have there hole damn near a quarter inch lower than that.. and actually, whoever told you there is no such thing as 1.5 over size piston, is lying to you.. i have a set of 1mm oversize pistons and rings.


1.5 parts aren't sold anymore.  the 1.6's took over...  because the 1.5's aren't as reliable.


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Reply #36February 11, 2009, 08:31:02 pm

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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2009, 08:31:02 pm »
i call bull*** on a 1.5 not being as reliable.. im 20 years old and i have a really heavy foot. the only thing ive had that will stand up to my abuse is a 1.5. my 1.6 engines sucked and were pretty gutless. i think the 1.5 is more suitable for high revving turbo application. they have soo much more top end power.

Reply #37February 12, 2009, 12:56:36 pm

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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2009, 12:56:36 pm »
Saurkraut, sent you a PM...
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