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Reply #15July 22, 2008, 01:08:42 pm

Torchd

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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2008, 01:08:42 pm »
Cooool!!

So how deep do i go with the intake ports on the head??  just 1-1.5 inches?? can't i go any deeper?

And how can i port match the manifolds (exhaust and inlet)  same 1-1.5 inches depth or can i port the whole length some how?

for polishing.. i can polish the whole length of the manifolds by using that flexible cable thingy.. rite?

Thanks!

Reply #16August 11, 2008, 10:16:00 am

53 willys

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2008, 10:16:00 am »
so I am thinking about porting and polishing my head...I just dont understand why you would not port the exhaust ports???
I can understand what you guys are saying to a point about velocity...but all the porting I hear about on big diesels(cummins) say the most important place to port is the exhaust side... really helps reduce EGT's
seems to me a good port on the exhaust and maybe a smaller exhaust tubing would be better??? 3" exhaust on a 4cyl diesel seems way to big to me...I bet if a guy had 3" exhaust system and went back to a 2.25 or 2.50 he would notice a real nice low end gain...
thoughts???

Reply #17August 11, 2008, 07:04:28 pm

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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2008, 07:04:28 pm »
Quote from: "53 willys"
so I am thinking about porting and polishing my head...I just dont understand why you would not port the exhaust ports???
I can understand what you guys are saying to a point about velocity...but all the porting I hear about on big diesels(cummins) say the most important place to port is the exhaust side... really helps reduce EGT's
seems to me a good port on the exhaust and maybe a smaller exhaust tubing would be better??? 3" exhaust on a 4cyl diesel seems way to big to me...I bet if a guy had 3" exhaust system and went back to a 2.25 or 2.50 he would notice a real nice low end gain...
thoughts???

anybody???????

Reply #18August 12, 2008, 06:22:43 am

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2008, 06:22:43 am »
You can port the exhaust, but the problem you may run into is making the ports on the head bigger than the ports on the exhaust manifold, which would be a big problem.  It's actually a little better on exhaust to have a "step" where the manifold is a tad bigger than the exhaust port to prevent pressure reversion.  But yes, I'm in the camp that the exhaust side (porting, and manifold) needs opened up much more, but to really take advantage of that, some manifold work and/or custom manifolds are needed and that is out of the realm of most of the people that want a slightly peppier car without a ton of effort.

Also, with exhaust tubing diameter, there is a popular belief that you need backpressure to make power and that by removing backpressure it kills low end torque.  This is so completely untrue- in a naturally aspirated car, there is a point in exhaust size where maximum gas velocity occurs- this is the point at maximum efficiency of gas flow which helps to scavenge the cylinders.  Going to a larger exhaust after that point will only slow down velocity which will hurt engine efficiency.  Backpressure is NEVER a good thing and by increasing exhaust velocity you are actually eliminating as much backpressure as possible.

Turbo cars are different.  With a turbo, the restriction is the turbine itself- there is always a lot of backpressure in the exhaust manifold before the turbo- hence the main downfall of a turbocharged system.   You want the exhaust gasses to escape as fast as possible to keep stress off of the turbine and to encourage it to spool- therefore the general rule with a turbo is to make the exhaust as big as you can fit- exhaust gas velocity makes much less of a difference post-turbo, since there is no cylinder scavenging going on, but you can encourage exhaust velocity by making a tapered "cone" exiting the turbine; i.e. say your turbine outlet is 2" and you have a 2" pipe that gradually expands to a 3" pipe over a certain distance.  This has proven to increase turbine efficiency a small degree.  Theoretically, the best turbo exhaust system is the aforementioned "cone" out of the turbine that dumps directly out after that.  Sometimes you will see the NHRA sport-compact drag cars with systems very similar to that.

HTH,

Brendan
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Reply #19August 14, 2008, 02:00:34 pm

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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2008, 02:00:34 pm »
The real power is in the exhaust. But not the end part that mates to the manifold but in the head just after the valve. Try to get that part smoth and to the same size(flow area) as the end of the port is. You dont need to touch the side of the port that mates to the manifold. Its already large enough. Just make the inside as free flowing as the outlet is.

Reply #20August 15, 2008, 10:12:21 am

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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2008, 10:12:21 am »
thanks for the info guys...that does clear it up a little better for me 8)
I am just going to do a real light port and polish on my head...nothing crazy.
thanks again for the info.