Author Topic: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run (Read 2574 times)

superman293 · « **on:** January 01, 2006, 01:33:33 am »

i think it's called secret diesel engery, they claim you need no modifactions to your diesel, they sell a thinning agent to thin the cooking oil out, claims it cost 46 cent a gallon and there isn't any dangerous chemicals to mix, i was going to try it out but was wondering if anybody else new more about it.
thanks

QuickTD · « **Reply #1 on:** January 01, 2006, 10:28:06 am »

It is xylol, available at your local paint store for less than $20 a gallon. I'm bit skeptical regarding the claims, I think you would still have problems at below freezing temps.

bhtooefr · « **Reply #2 on:** January 01, 2006, 10:46:54 am »

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=122949

Does that answer your question?

superman293 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 01, 2006, 11:06:23 am »

doesnt really sound too great, i might give it a try this summer when the temp is up.

bhtooefr · « **Reply #4 on:** January 01, 2006, 11:16:15 am »

I wouldn't, if I were you.

It's nearly as thick as SVO, from what I've read, and has a few very high octane components, making it a bad diesel fuel. (A fuel that has a high octane value resists compression ignition, so that one can crank up the compression ratio on a gasser. A fuel that has a high cetane number (read: good in a diesel) lends itself to compression ignition. Cetane and octane are near opposites.)

zyewdall · « **Reply #5 on:** January 01, 2006, 11:40:06 am »

Yeah, like QuickTD said, it's a mixture of veggie oil, gasoline, and maybe some petro-diesel, and their secret ingredient, which is apparently Xylol. I wouldn't call any of them except veggie oil non-dangerous. In the summer time, maybe it'd be okay, but I wouldn't in mine. SVO is cheaper ($0 per gallon once you have modified the vehical to heat the fuel).

I personally use regular biodiesel (both soy and canola based) without any modification to my vehical -- yes, it is $3/gallon, but I have never had any issues with it (aside from clogging my fuel filter with dirt it cleaned out of my system when I first switched). I have also run SVO in vehicals -- you just have to get it to 160F or more before entering the injector pump in order to get the viscosity low enough (unless you have a mercedes with the in line pump -- people have run those on cold veggie oil without killing the IP)

Maybe it's just that I am an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't mind modifying the vehical to run SVO, and not have to deal with mixing chemicals, be they methoxide to make biodiesel, or gasoline to thin SVO.

superman293 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 01, 2006, 12:43:19 pm »

so to run SVO there is no modifcations to the fuel, but you have make a way to heat it to 170 degress, is there any site or fourm you could point me to, i have a 1990 non turbo jetta, i would like to find out how much it would cost to convert my car
thanks

lesharoturbo · « **Reply #7 on:** January 01, 2006, 12:46:03 pm »

Superman,

Try http://www.greasel.com to start.

Bernie

bhtooefr · « **Reply #8 on:** January 01, 2006, 12:46:43 pm »

Elsbett, Greasecar, Greasel, Frybrid, and other companies sell kits, plus there's a few guides on making your own. Google is your friend.

FWIW, I've heard that Elsbett will warranty everything against damage from properly filtered fuel if you use their kit.