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December 10, 2010, 10:10:07 am

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to lower parasitic drive train loss and increase efficiency
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Okay,

i drive a mk2 jetta turbo diesel, it's as aerodynamic as a brick. However it's my car and I enjoy driving it.

Essentially I'm after looking into reducing all parasitic drive train loss, and decreasing rolling resistance on the car. While i don't want to do much in the way of wind resistance, I will do what I can to ensure that there is no real major blockages while I'm driving.

This isn't going to be pursued currently due to winter, due to weather, and due to other factors, but I want to work towards revamping the car for next spring/summer when the roads are dry, and the results are little more consistent.

The things i've thought about currently for the upcoming year are the following;

Fluids -obviously oil is a major fluid that has it's own factors, and the cleaner and thinner the oil the more efficient it becomes. so i'll change it accordingly come summer or next 2 services. With the engine oil comes cleanliness of the inner workings of the engine, diesel soot and other particles can hamper fluidity of the engine as well, rendering the oil not as useful.

While some call it a placebo effect, I have used a product called AutoRx. It's a non toxic metal cleaner designed to reduce engine sludge and renew engine seals to their new state. It's worked very well for me in my gasser cars, and i will intend on using it for my diesel. After that it's all about the regular oil changes there after.

the next fluid is transmission oil. i'm not very schooled on the types of transmission oil, as the only thing I do know is to change it every 2-3 years. It's a fluid that has a viscosity rating, and like any other fluid, change is necessary. If i can find a way to reduce friction with that I'm all for it.

A question then remains regarding coolant. Diesels like to run warmer than gas cars due to the nature of their combustion. However a cooler gas car will be more efficient than a warmer one. So a question that I have is, do i go forward and make my IDI engine run cooler to ensure more efficiency? or just leave the cooling system as it is at the 60/40 split?

Power train- Belts [power steering, water pump, alternator, a/c compressor]. I want to remove the power steering as the pump currently is leaking and really its inoperable. That will reduce some unessesary effort of the engine. then I want to change the V belt system in the car to a serp belt system. At that same token, I want to see if a higher rating alternator will assist in reducing the load driven by the engine. But does that really work? Or should i just stick to what i have?

Air filter. probably a conical, or a high flow more efficient design to allow the turbo to gain more fresh atmospheric air. Maybe ram air with a water bypass? It does rain plenty in Vancouver.

Bearings and wheels/tires. Essentially I'll check to ensure that all wheel bearings are in operable condition and replace if necessary, but the real major change will be in the purchase of performance summer tires. I currently have corrado steel wheels, and they are factory spec from VW, 15x6" with the standard 38 offset. Not going to change those unless i can get my hands on some ultra light alloys in the same specs.  The reason for performance summer tires is pretty simple, less rolling resistance, and greater traction to allow for increase corner speed entry and exit, resulting in less need to accelerate more so than current. Which leads it up to what the wheels are connected to.

Intercooler. Front mount ideally, as it will decrease the intake temp and potentially decrease the exhaust temp as well.

I don't plan on over boosting it, but i might consider having Giles rebuild my pump? I truly am happy with the current system.

Suspension Plain and simple. Lower the car to reduce wind resistance, and have it a wee bit stiffer and firmer to allow for better traction when driving.  Adjustable shocks, and a simple 60/40 cup kit with moderate spring rates will allow the car to have all 4 tires firmly planted on the ground. Stiffer spring will allow it to reduce body roll to a certain degree allow for increase in corner entry speed, and having it lower will also reduct the air travelling below the car as well. All that and it looks pretty slick with it lowered to boot.

The plan is to change over all suspension bushings for the front LCA [lower control arms] to return the car to new suspension geometry as possible. increase the diameter of the front sway bar from 22mm to 25 to allow the car to have a more stable position IF i do decide to drive it at 10/10ths around corners. The rear trailing arm will also have new suspension bushings, and I will intend to add a 22mm sway bar for the rear for a more neutral driving for the car as well.

I want to install suspension braces to reduce body flex, and actually allow the car to utilize it's suspension for it's true purpose instead of absorbing the remainder of the shock in the frame of the car.

All topped off by a precision 4 wheel alignment to ensure that the car drives straight when the wheel is neutral.

weight reduction. I'll just lose more weight, and starve myself. That's the simple way without effecting the car :P

But in all seriousness, i don't know where to begin? do I strip all miscellaneous items and effect the comfort inside the cabin? I don't have a serious stereo in the car, just the deck, front 3 inchers and rear 6.5's
I want to install an amplifier [thus the higher rating alternator] but that will increase weight. I also wanted, at one point, install a dynamat style product as well. but those sound deadening material is HEAVY.

any thoughts?


Reply #1December 10, 2010, 05:14:05 pm

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Re: to lower parasitic drive train loss and increase efficiency
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2010, 05:14:05 pm »
Are you ditching the a/c as well? There is probably a lot of weight that can be removed without hugely affecting comfort trunk carpet and sound deadening material beneath come to mind.

Reply #2December 10, 2010, 05:43:24 pm

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Re: to lower parasitic drive train loss and increase efficiency
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 05:43:24 pm »
675 MM RADIATOR , easy bolt on
INTERCOOLER , 2.25 x 22 x 6.4    with 2' outlet's
PD130 with race pipe
shell rotella t Syn oil
Mobie one gear syn in Trans
peloquin LSD, more efficent
front spoiler along with a lowered 2'( coil overs' )
front & rear sway bar
strut bar
Siphon hose,or 12 volt electric 7 gpm pump,pugs into cig lighter  ( thanx Sucker )
FORGED WHEEL'S 15 x 6  195/45 Le caslett's forged wheel on the caddy ( less rotating mass)
40 psi front / 32 psi rear ( Nitrogen)
1.9 AAZ, CHD 5spd with Peloquin
KO4/KO3 Hybrid turbo
Giles Pump OHC
Complete Techtonics 2'5 S/S DP and Exhaust
Coilovers, MKII Pedal Swap,G60 BRAKES
MK1 JETTA DASH
675MM 16V radiator (MKII) PASSAT DUAL FAN
42K original miles , South African Front End
15x6 Le Casletts 195-45-15

Reply #3December 11, 2010, 09:55:54 am

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Re: to lower parasitic drive train loss and increase efficiency
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 09:55:54 am »
Not entirely sure if I want to ditch ac, since it never worked in the car (electrical connection) however I am considering it. Because if I do then its a simple 3 pully belt system as a result instead of a 4.

I had a 3 pully belt system in my gti and that was simple and easy, still a vbelt but it worked well.

I do have to ask, what is the purpose of a  siphon hose for the car?

As for driving style, I'm fully aware of the benefits of easy mild starts and rolling stops. Or resisting drag starts and late braking for corners, however within rush hour traffic, there are times when you just need to keep pace, and be a wee bit more aggressive with your driving. But when it comess to weekend drives, its all about the easy starts and mild stopping.

I've been keeping an eye out for really good light (yet mildly stylish) 15" wheels and have yet to see a set of 4 for a decent price, however the benefit behind forged is absolutely incredible! Its so big in the autox world that it makes for sweet driving.

The parts compilation still continues!




Reply #4December 11, 2010, 10:10:36 am

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Re: to lower parasitic drive train loss and increase efficiency
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 10:10:36 am »
675 MM RADIATOR , easy bolt on
INTERCOOLER , 2.25 x 22 x 6.4    with 2' outlet's
PD130 with race pipe
shell rotella t Syn oil
Mobie one gear syn in Trans
peloquin LSD, more efficent
front spoiler along with a lowered 2'( coil overs' )
front & rear sway bar
strut bar
Siphon hose,or 12 volt electric 7 gpm pump,pugs into cig lighter  ( thanx Sucker )
FORGED WHEEL'S 15 x 6  195/45 Le caslett's forged wheel on the caddy ( less rotating mass)
40 psi front / 32 psi rear ( Nitrogen)

god i love your sense of humor.. just pop something funny in there mid-post to see whos reading..

like your wife "mid mileage, new bumpers" lmfao..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #5December 11, 2010, 06:33:07 pm

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Re: to lower parasitic drive train loss and increase efficiency
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 06:33:07 pm »
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Just a factoid, but intercoolers lower EGTs by the amount they lower intake temps. 


So what you are saying is intake temps at 280 cooled 200 degrees will also take the EGT say from 1,200 to 1,000 respectively? Didn't realize the way that worked.

Reply #6December 11, 2010, 10:55:39 pm

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Re: to lower parasitic drive train loss and increase efficiency
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 10:55:39 pm »
675 MM RADIATOR , easy bolt on
INTERCOOLER , 2.25 x 22 x 6.4    with 2' outlet's
PD130 with race pipe
shell rotella t Syn oil
Mobie one gear syn in Trans
peloquin LSD, more efficent
front spoiler along with a lowered 2'( coil overs' )
front & rear sway bar
strut bar
Siphon hose,or 12 volt electric 7 gpm pump,pugs into cig lighter  ( thanx Sucker )
FORGED WHEEL'S 15 x 6  195/45 Le caslett's forged wheel on the caddy ( less rotating mass)
40 psi front / 32 psi rear ( Nitrogen)

god i love your sense of humor.. just pop something funny in there mid-post to see whos reading..

like your wife "mid mileage, new bumpers" lmfao..


man i was exhausted this morning when I wrote my reply.

Took me a walk with my puppy, snowboarding with my buddy, and another check on the forum later tonight to actually realize that it was what it was.

dumb moment :P

Reply #7December 12, 2010, 01:43:43 am

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Re: to lower parasitic drive train loss and increase efficiency
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 01:43:43 am »
Wouldn't that just be a different kind of parasitic drag?

the really wrong kind.