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Reply #60July 24, 2010, 09:58:01 am

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Re: It IS time young ones
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2010, 09:58:01 am »
i will be getting;

-Monroe Sensa-tracs
-Febi/Bilstein mounts

As a suggestion, i'd go with the matching Monroe strut mounts.
Mostly in part to take advantage of their lifetime warranty.
Febi/Bils probably will not have that.
They appear to be very high quality.

Also will highly recommend getting the Monroe boot/bumpstop kit.
Lifetime warranty there too. Very high quality full length black accordain boot. Bumpstop is dense urethane - just white in color.

In all you would have matching one-line top grade products with lifetime warranty. So ..... when time comes they need replacing again - you make one claim with one vendor and get all new stuff again. WIN !

The stock dust boot/cap and stock bumpstops are a bad joke.
Not even funny.

Reply #61July 24, 2010, 11:12:58 am

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« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2010, 11:12:58 am »
you already got a rear sway bar Jeremy? those are supposed to help out more than fronts.

Reply #62July 24, 2010, 01:49:28 pm

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« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2010, 01:49:28 pm »
you already got a rear sway bar Jeremy? those are supposed to help out more than fronts.

MK1 Jetta's came stock with one, I assume to help deal with the extra weight of a full trunk. I bought a stock mk1 bar a few years ago off ebay for my rabbit. It was hardly noticeable......I'm thinking of removing it just to see the difference. Now that I have the prothanes the swaybar might help more.
'82 Rabbit, I put on a euro vnt-15, 2.25" DP, 2.5" exhaust, the result.....it whistled.

I removed the turbo, made a toilet bowl 2.5" DP, the result....it was deafening. Now it has a homemade muffler up front and a thrush in the rear, the result.....less loud.
Watch: AGENDA, GRINDING AMERICA DOWN

Reply #63July 24, 2010, 02:50:09 pm

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« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2010, 02:50:09 pm »
you already got a rear sway bar Jeremy? those are supposed to help out more than fronts.

On a RWD car. FWD needs a stiffer front bar to counter the engine torque.

Reply #64July 24, 2010, 03:46:37 pm

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« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2010, 03:46:37 pm »
you already got a rear sway bar Jeremy? those are supposed to help out more than fronts.

On a RWD car. FWD needs a stiffer front bar to counter the engine torque.

The less swaybar in the front the better (depending on what kind of driving or racing you do). With a FWD car coming out of a corner standing on the gas you don't want the inner front wheel trying to lift off the ground.

A fat bar in the rear and stiff springs all around are the first thing to do and if it still leans too much then go for a front swaybar.
'82 Rabbit, I put on a euro vnt-15, 2.25" DP, 2.5" exhaust, the result.....it whistled.

I removed the turbo, made a toilet bowl 2.5" DP, the result....it was deafening. Now it has a homemade muffler up front and a thrush in the rear, the result.....less loud.
Watch: AGENDA, GRINDING AMERICA DOWN

Reply #65July 24, 2010, 07:36:56 pm

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« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2010, 07:36:56 pm »
I see i see! thanks for the info guys. No front bar it is ;) However I think I will go for the strut brace, and the lower control arm brace. as well as maybe a strut brace for the rear.

The only problem with the Rock Auto for me BVZ is the shipping..

Subtotal   $180.42   
Country:Canada  Postal Code: L3V 3P3
Shipping: from United States   $48.41   
Total   $228.83

I mean I guess for the 4 struts, 2 mounts, and 2 boot/bump kits.. $48 in shipping isn't all that terrible. I'm just so used to dealing with a Canadian online site that goes free shipping over $75.. and I wait till I have enough to break $80 to get the free shipping ;) For the 8 items in total with shipping.. I am still way less then buying Sensa-tracs locally. The two front struts alone here will be close to $180.. then another $44 each (ON SALE!!) for the rears and another $53 each for the monroe mounts.. like fml right?

Seems I am going that route ;) that along with the Prothane Bushing kit. and some strut tower braces.. this car will handle like it is on rails!

Reply #66July 24, 2010, 09:53:30 pm

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« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2010, 09:53:30 pm »
you already got a rear sway bar Jeremy? those are supposed to help out more than fronts.

On a RWD car. FWD needs a stiffer front bar to counter the engine torque.

Actually, every VW I've driven understeers with stock suspension setup. Putting on a stiffer sway bar in the rear helps make the handling more neutral.

enough boost is when you have 3 dimple marks in the hood from the valve cover nuts..  ;D

Reply #67July 24, 2010, 10:24:03 pm

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« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2010, 10:24:03 pm »
Will you have to pay any import duties on that order ?
On top of the total you have now ?

That is some incredible mark-up you guys deal with on some of this stuff.

The full length boot is great.

It is easy for water to get into the strut housing otherwise.
Mine were heavily corroded on the inside, and holding mucky swamp water.
Had to remount both sides back on the spindles to get internal threaded top secure nut broken loose with a huge pipe wrench.

Had to use a bottle jack with strut rod mounted in vise upside down to remove the cartridge from the worst one. Had to continue jacking until it was about half way out.
Spent 30-45 minutes on each getting them cleaned up on the inside. The motor oil backfill was cooked and dead long ago.

These things were way past due years ago.
Could have done 4 normal sets in same amount of time.

ATF backfill is the choice ticket in my mind.
Since it has much longer service intervals than motor oil.
I'm gonna do a write up soon on front strut tips.

« Last Edit: July 24, 2010, 10:26:07 pm by Baron VonZeppelin »

Reply #68July 25, 2010, 06:12:54 am

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« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2010, 06:12:54 am »
Will you have to pay any import duties on that order ?
On top of the total you have now ?

They offer to ship through FedEx or UPS. UPS I know does the ridiculous duty fee, does FedEx?

Reply #69July 25, 2010, 06:21:15 am

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« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2010, 06:21:15 am »
Check this site out

http://www.thefinalcost.com/
Tyler

Reply #70July 25, 2010, 06:28:14 am

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« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2010, 06:28:14 am »
with this news Tyler, it is actually roughly the same or slightly cheaper to buy the local stuff at; $80.25 ea. Front Struts, $44 ea. Rear Strut, $53 ea for Monroe front mounts.. =  $354.5 before taxes.. So it may still be cheaper to pay ungodly prices to have it shipped from USA.

Reply #71July 25, 2010, 06:32:11 am

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« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2010, 06:32:11 am »
Buy local and haggle the price a bit if you can. If there is a garage you normally deal with see if they can get you the parts.
Tyler

Reply #72July 25, 2010, 12:41:58 pm

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« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2010, 12:41:58 pm »
you already got a rear sway bar Jeremy? those are supposed to help out more than fronts.

On a RWD car. FWD needs a stiffer front bar to counter the engine torque.

Actually, every VW I've driven understeers with stock suspension setup. Putting on a stiffer sway bar in the rear helps make the handling more neutral.

no dude, OM617 is god, he knows everything.. we are all idiots that know nothing, and he knows everything, isnt it apparent? what he says is the law of the land  ;D

Reply #73July 25, 2010, 01:04:23 pm

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« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2010, 01:04:23 pm »
Let's not get this thread closed ;).

A front sway is fine for the average driver, it'll just keep it from swaying all over. The way I see it if you want to do any "performance" driving you gotta use a fatter rear bar and none in the front.

I have read some stuff where they used a fat bar up front and none in the rear but I think that's for a different type of racing, maybe high speed stuff.
'82 Rabbit, I put on a euro vnt-15, 2.25" DP, 2.5" exhaust, the result.....it whistled.

I removed the turbo, made a toilet bowl 2.5" DP, the result....it was deafening. Now it has a homemade muffler up front and a thrush in the rear, the result.....less loud.
Watch: AGENDA, GRINDING AMERICA DOWN

Reply #74July 25, 2010, 06:14:47 pm

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« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2010, 06:14:47 pm »
Yes kEvo sthu ;) So I've got kind of a plan.. ship it to someone in the states and then have them USPS it to me. It SHOULD work out cheaper then if I get it UPS/FedEx to Canada.

So stiffer bar out back. Perfect. That will probably come after getting the front upper and lower braces and the rear strut tower braces.. I also would like to try that front lower brace that BFI offers (that goes between bumper mounts and front motor mount).. but by making my own and not paying $250 for a stolen design :P as I think they are a little more fundamental for stiffening the car up. doing the four corner susp upgrade, with new control arms, tie rods, bj's and bushings should redo the whole front end.