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October 26, 2008, 04:51:09 pm

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« on: October 26, 2008, 04:51:09 pm »
Something I spotted today. It'd be so cool just to have this thing.
That yellow can is a generator. Yup, belt driven by a V16 2 stroke Detroit!
I'd love to hear it running such an ungodly racket! It'd be neat to somehow put this into a vehicle.
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Reply #1October 26, 2008, 05:49:41 pm

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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2008, 05:49:41 pm »
Nice find!  They used V-16 2-stroke diesels when my dad worked on the railroad.  They were about 3000hp.  Now, they're pushing about 6000.

I like the 8 belt drive turning the generator.  :shock:
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Reply #2October 26, 2008, 06:03:38 pm

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2008, 06:03:38 pm »
you'd need some heavy duty leaf springs to hold that sucker up  :lol: would be neat to do like monster garage and built the whole vehicle around the motor  :lol:

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Reply #3October 26, 2008, 06:33:42 pm

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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2008, 06:33:42 pm »
My dad had a Freightliner with a V8 Detroit Diesel and that truck would keep up with the bigger Cummins and Catepillar powered tractors.  The engine had a high idle speed toggle switch for extended idling when hot so it would keep the oil pressure up.
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Reply #4October 26, 2008, 06:50:31 pm

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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2008, 06:50:31 pm »
My neighbor is an older guy who used to work in the bush, and he told me one time about these off-highway logging trucks they used to have that used a 12v-71 Detroit, with two stacks coming straight out of the hood, no mufflers. All the guys that drove them were deaf!
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Reply #5October 26, 2008, 06:52:14 pm

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2008, 06:52:14 pm »
That engine is 2 8 cylinder 71 series engines mated together.  They did make a 12 cylinder block that was installed in road tractors.  They would pass anything but a fuel stop!
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Reply #6October 26, 2008, 10:37:23 pm

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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2008, 10:37:23 pm »
I ran 1.25 mile long coal trains for Burlington Northern out of the Powder River Basin (Gillette, Wyoming) for 8 years beginning in the mid '70s.

At that time, the state of the art coal motors were Electromotive Division (EMD) (General Motors) model SD 40 locomotives. They produced a rated 2500 hp and had V-16 2 stroke diesels.

Burlington Northern also had to (government mandated) purchase General Electric V-20 four stroke coal motors as well. I believe they were model U-30C's.

The coal market was absolutely booming and we used to get 5 day old units (engines) (they were dated on an in-cab plaque) in which the paint in the cabs was still soft. Operating something this big and this new was kind of amazing....but, the paint really stunk!!!!

These long, heavy trains required 5 units. The EMD's were very responsive to throttle input..the GE's were kind of slow to do anything and the lumbering 4 strokes really stunk and was hell on your lungs. We have some 8 and 12 mile upgrades where the engines run with 100% throttle application the entire time. Man...there isn't much that compared to opening a cab window, hanging your head out, and listening to those turbochargers scream. It did cost me some of my hearing.
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Reply #7October 27, 2008, 03:28:34 am

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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2008, 03:28:34 am »
Did a tour of the Detroit Diesel factory a few years ago. At the time, they could no longer sell the 2 strokes for highway trucks, but were still building them for gen sets, boats, etc.
Nomenclature goes like this.  1st number is #of cylinders, V indicates Vtype engine, and the last number is the displacement of each cylinder. Engines were available at 53, 71, 92, or 153 inches per cylinder.  Biggest one I saw in a highway truck was a 12V71. I know where there used to be a couple in old Euclids too. Have driven a 6V53, 671,6V92, and an 8V92.  Saw a matched pair of 16V71's at the factory (lots of chrome) headed for some boat in Saudi Arabia. Biggest one I saw at the factory was a 20V153.....

Engines were not as big on torque as the 4 stokes the same size, but still made lots of power if you gave them enough fuel and wound them up!

Reply #8October 27, 2008, 05:35:19 am

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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2008, 05:35:19 am »
Back in the day, I worked in the parts dept. of a heavy equipment/Detroit Diesel shop. The power corporation there had a LARGE truck they used for moving transformers. It had planetary drive axles and all the heavy-duty stuff, and a turboed 16V-71 Detroit. It was a beautiful thing at full song.
Later, I joined a volunteer fire department in the small community where I still live. they had two SCOT firetrucks with 8V-71 Detroits in them and very poor mufflers. Those things would give you goose-bumps when going on a call.
I love the sound of a 2-stroke Detroit.

Reply #9October 27, 2008, 06:37:25 am

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2008, 06:37:25 am »
My dad has a 2cyl supercharged Detroit Generator.

That damn thing can be heard 1/2 miles away!!
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Reply #10October 27, 2008, 06:51:50 pm

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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2008, 06:51:50 pm »
I used to work on firetrucks. The 2-stroke detriot was the industry standard untill the series 60 was introduced. I have seen 671, 6v92, 8v71 and i believe 8v92 in fire engines. Some of which had turbos feeding the mandatory supercharger that was geared down to spin slower.
      These engines were ahead of thier time. I had several apart in tech school. The injectors were actuated by the camshaft. They had roller lifters for the valves. 4 valves per cyliinder in most of the engines(exhaust only :lol: ) They also had left and right hand rotation engines ( for marine use). They are so cool to have apart and see how everything works.

Reply #11October 28, 2008, 12:29:09 am

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 12:29:09 am »
You guys are nuts. My mechanics/shop teacher was a heavy duty mech. for trains too. He taught me so much (although my jetta wasn't remotely similar)
I'm so glad there is a forum full of guys like him! He was NUTS (in a good way)! The smell of diesel made him feel ill and frozen, flash backs of fixing something on a train in the middle of winter in the prairies or something like that. What an exclusive breed of wrenchers you guys are!
20V153  :shock:
I've always been interested how HUUUUGEEE diesels even worked, like oil tankers. when i was younger, my dad used to say you could stand a full grown man inside a cylinder of one of the engines. I think he was just pulling my leg.
That seems ludicrous now that i know a bit about engines. Is this actually true???
If so, how on earth would something like that function. really really really low rpm...?
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Reply #12October 28, 2008, 02:43:40 am

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 02:43:40 am »
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Reply #13October 28, 2008, 03:22:31 am

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 03:22:31 am »
Saw some blocks from stripped out boats at a spot we used to load trucks, I think it was Baltimore.  Blocks (without oil pans or heads) were about the same height as the truck (13'6").....
I know there's bigger stuff!
BTW, my late 70's big cam 400 cummins (855 inches) was the same as the detroit engines in a few respects, cam followers had rollers, four valves per cylinder, intercooled, big Holset turbo, (no wastegate!:D) Didn't have that 2 stroke sound, but burned a lot less fuel!

Reply #14October 28, 2008, 05:23:57 am

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 05:23:57 am »
This is billed as the 'Largest Diesel Engine in the World'.  I don't know if it's true but it's pretty d@mn big.
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