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Title: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: Dean Erickson on June 02, 2013, 08:52:35 pm
So my wife took the Rabbit truck to town for groceries, When she pulled out on old us 131 she was getting after the truck to get it going. That equals black smoke. Well there was a Michigan state troper coming up from behind her and didn't like the black smoke coming from the truck, he said he couldn't see the tailgate. He came up and said all that smokes not normal and she should have it looked at. lol. It's not all that bad they just aren't use to seeing an old diesel rabbit runing around here. He did give her a fix it ticket for the small crack in the windshield.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: ORCoaster on June 02, 2013, 10:29:10 pm
And I don't expect that trying to explain it is a diesel officer would have helped in the least.  WHY NOT.  They are MSP and that is all you need to know.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: 8v-of-fury on June 02, 2013, 10:41:30 pm
Had a policeman pull me over because my "turbo" diesel sounded too "tinny" (boost opening the wastegate) and the exhaust must be broken in some way or form..

I was like sir, it is turbocharged and diesel.. its going to be loud no matter what.

He replied with, I know diesel engines (yeah right) and this does not sound like your average diesel engine..
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: CRSMP5 on June 02, 2013, 10:57:25 pm
 ;D
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: 745 turbogreasel on June 03, 2013, 02:52:36 am
I guess it's the same here, CHP saw me in the Volvo TD hot dogging int at a light, stopped me and told me I was smoking, and should  stop by an emission station.
I'm not too proud  to keep my mouth shut...
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: Smoker on June 04, 2013, 12:13:29 am
Bastards. Sorry.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: vanbcguy on June 04, 2013, 06:09:06 pm
I unintentionally smoked out a commercial vehicle inspection officer the day after I got Jezzie.  She was running REALLY smoky at the time.  The officer (a real legit RCMP officer) gave me an inspection ticket which resulted in about $500 worth of repairs - nothing engine related, but tie rods, backup lights, a few other things.  All stuff that needed to be done but still a bunch of cash I would rather not have spent at the time.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: air-cooled or diesel on October 14, 2013, 09:14:52 pm
He did give her a fix it ticket for the small crack in the windshield.

leave it to the cops to waste your time; and taxpayers (time&$) too.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: air-cooled or diesel on October 14, 2013, 09:18:47 pm
I get pulled over all the time as I don't have an inspection sticker, and am usually loaded too. I had to wait for the judge in court one time , he was like bye. I have to carry an exempt paper now just so I don't have to do much explaining, or get a ticket. man I hate waiting for judge to call me up After getting cleared, it was never this way before.
Title: Re: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: One_punchmachinegun on October 27, 2013, 11:17:30 pm
Yeah, I got one too..
I pulled out of this intersection quite "spirited" not seeing the the officer sitting in the parking lot maybe 200 ft down the road. Well I pored some serious smoke at that time, I never exceeded the speed limit just got there quick with a cloud of death behind me. When I actually noticed him it was too late and I ended up just laughing really hard as I strolled by making eye contact. Needless to say he came out..with his lights on. When I pulled over he came up and did the whole "licence and registration", while I was getting them out he continued with why doesn't this car have an emission sticker, well officer it's a diesel... So? Son you still need one.. no officer, I'm sorry I don't. I live in Berks county and I'm emissions exempt.... Kinda just stared at me and said he would be right back... 20 mins later came back eyeing up the car, looking for something get me for. Well he noticed that my passenger windshield wiper was missing because it broke, well I pulled you over because I seen that your missing a wiper blade... Well officer it broke and I still have the drivers side and does the job, I meant to fix it just haven't got the time to purchase one and install it. Well I'm gonna have to give you a situation for that and that your exhaust doesn't completely exit from under the car. (It was a side exit and was maybe 2inch still under the car. Whatever)
So I ended up getting a 70 dollar fine. He said something about how he didn't think my car was running good because I had left a big cloud of smoke. No officer it runs good it's a diesel. And it was left at that.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: 8v-of-fury on October 28, 2013, 11:22:51 pm
Officer once asked me why my "turbo diesel" sounded so tinny. I am like sir, that is the turbo you heard when I accelerated past you. Tried to get me for the same not exited tail pipe.. I told him it exits under the car.. and he's like well im not getting down on my hands and knees to check, so im like your not giving me a ticket for that then right?

The majority of law officers are complete douchebags on power trips, and honestly? It scares the hell out of me.. what happens one day they go to far?
Title: Re: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: One_punchmachinegun on October 29, 2013, 12:45:32 am
And that seems to be getting more common....i worry the same thing. Ive seem many accounts where a officer steps out of line and does something that goes against why he serves and gets away with it... corruptions of the human moral code will only get worse... This is just the beginning.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: bbob203 on October 29, 2013, 09:23:45 am
Here is the trick. When you pull over for a cop you're admitting you're guilty of something right then and there unless you ask if he is holding you or if you are free to go. You have much more room to fight a ticket if you never admit you did anything wrong and you are being held against your will under duress. What are we conditioned to do when we see "emergency lights" Pull over... Well sometimes we pull over and they don't keep going.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: 8v-of-fury on October 29, 2013, 09:58:20 am
Yeah well... what are you gonna do when he pit maneuvers you off the road?! Haha.

I dunno. Usually I have done nothing wrong.. but who an I to judge what is wrong or right in law?
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: bbob203 on October 29, 2013, 10:34:19 am
Who am I to judge what is wrong or right in law?

That's precisely it though. You aren't a lawyer nor is a cop. A traffic ticket is a summons and complaint basically that you infringed on someone else rights. They tell you though if you just pay them then they will go away and give you points. The cop isn't a lawyer so he cannot define wether or not you broke any laws.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: libbydiesel on October 31, 2013, 11:44:37 pm
I have only been pulled over once in the last decade and that was because the DMV messed up and gave me a plate that was one digit different from my registration.  I just turn on my cloaking device (drive intelligently within the boundary of the law) and police ignore me entirely.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: RabbitJockey on November 01, 2013, 08:15:48 am
i haven't been pulled over much since i hit the age of 20, i did drive nicer looking cars after that.  not that i havent gotten a few tickets, one was a speeding ticket when i was passing someone in a 55 mph area, and another was 40 in a 25... but its a long straight road, the limit really should be 40 anyway... haha
Title: Re: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: air-cooled or diesel on November 26, 2013, 01:13:20 pm
Yeah, I got one too..
I pulled out of this intersection quite "spirited" not seeing the the officer sitting in the parking lot maybe 200 ft down the road. Well I pored some serious smoke at that time, I never exceeded the speed limit just got there quick with a cloud of death behind me. When I actually noticed him it was too late and I ended up just laughing really hard as I strolled by making eye contact. Needless to say he came out..with his lights on. When I pulled over he came up and did the whole "licence and registration", while I was getting them out he continued with why doesn't this car have an emission sticker, well officer it's a diesel... So? Son you still need one.. no officer, I'm sorry I don't. I live in Berks county and I'm emissions exempt.... Kinda just stared at me and said he would be right back... 20 mins later came back eyeing up the car, looking for something get me for. Well he noticed that my passenger windshield wiper was missing because it broke, well I pulled you over because I seen that your missing a wiper blade... Well officer it broke and I still have the drivers side and does the job, I meant to fix it just haven't got the time to purchase one and install it. Well I'm gonna have to give you a situation for that and that your exhaust doesn't completely exit from under the car. (It was a side exit and was maybe 2inch still under the car. Whatever)
So I ended up getting a 70 dollar fine. He said something about how he didn't think my car was running good because I had left a big cloud of smoke. No officer it runs good it's a diesel. And it was left at that.
you know punch,, your too cocky with the police, pretty much just asking for a ticket, while a broken wiper blade isn't really much of a violation, it can be fixed the same day, so that's an easy out of any ticket, pouring all that smoke on the officers road, while not illegal, the officer doesn't know that, most are unaware of what a diesel even is. I d just say be a little humble, and also say its emissions exempt and passes emissions too. id get out of the fine by fixing wiper.
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: Blocksmith on November 27, 2013, 03:15:45 pm
you know punch,, your too cocky with the police, pretty much just asking for a ticket, while a broken wiper blade isn't really much of a violation, it can be fixed the same day, so that's an easy out of any ticket, pouring all that smoke on the officers road, while not illegal, the officer doesn't know that, most are unaware of what a diesel even is. I d just say be a little humble, and also say its emissions exempt and passes emissions too. id get out of the fine by fixing wiper.

I think you misunderstood his post--he was ticketed because the cop was specifically looking for something to nail him for. One wiper wasn't working (not there), and nothing more; there was nothing else the cop could get him for. He poured smoke before he realized there was a cop watching, so there's not much he could do in regards to that once the cop pulled him over--and when questioned, he was just stating that his car is a diesel, and emissions exempt, given the year. While such an exchange could indeed be conducted in a cocky manner, I'm not sure that he indicated that his attitude was out of line. It seems to me that the cop was simply, at that point, in a bit of a pissing contest due to being called out on his assessment of the vehicle needing an emissions sticker, and being wrong, at that point simply looking for anything to save face with. 
Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: ORCoaster on November 27, 2013, 03:21:07 pm
Yep, once over to the side of the road the pen must roll.
Title: Re: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: libbydiesel on November 29, 2013, 12:19:13 pm
Well I pored some serious smoke at that time, I never exceeded the speed limit just got there quick with a cloud of death behind me. When I actually noticed him it was too late and I ended up just laughing really hard as I strolled by making eye contact. Needless to say he came out..with his lights on.

I see what air-cooled is saying.  Punch even states fairly openly that getting pulled over and getting a ticket was entirely expected given his behavior.

Personally I find life to be easier, more enjoyable, less embarrassing and less expensive by tuning my max fuel fairly conservatively or running more boost to minimize smoke and by taking a respectful attitude toward those individuals who have the power to be irritating.

Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: monomer on December 29, 2013, 10:23:16 pm
So my wife took the Rabbit truck to town for groceries, When she pulled out on old us 131 she was getting after the truck to get it going. That equals black smoke. Well there was a Michigan state troper coming up from behind her and didn't like the black smoke coming from the truck, he said he couldn't see the tailgate. He came up and said all that smokes not normal and she should have it looked at. lol. It's not all that bad they just aren't use to seeing an old diesel rabbit runing around here. He did give her a fix it ticket for the small crack in the windshield.


Dean,

You in the Southeast at all? Your caddy looks all to familiar.
Title: Re: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: Toby on June 09, 2014, 10:14:20 pm
When I actually noticed him it was too late and I ended up just laughing really hard as I strolled by making eye contact. Needless to say he came out..with his lights on.

I see what air-cooled is saying.  Punch even states fairly openly that getting pulled over and getting a ticket was entirely expected given his behavior.

Personally I find life to be easier, more enjoyable, less embarrassing and less expensive by tuning my max fuel fairly conservatively or running more boost to minimize smoke and by taking a respectful attitude toward those individuals who have the power to be irritating.

His first mistake was laughing at the cop. His second was making eye contact. NEVER do either. Back out of it and drive normally. Do not pull over until it is clear that he wants you specifically to pull over. Taking a "gosh golly officer, I did not know that I was doing anything wrong" attitude seems to work best. Whether he is Einstein or a half wit, he takes his job seriously. If you let him know that you don't, you are in for a pencil whipping. When pulled over always remember Toby's 4 Rules: 1) Admit NOTHING, 2) Deny EVERYTHING, 3) Demand proof, and then, 4) don't believe it.

I would have said something like "Sorry officer, this is a diesel and I think I got a load of bad fuel or something. My car has been smoking way more than normal since I fueled up in (some place outside his jurisdiction). I am just trying to use up this crappy fuel so I can get a load of the good stuff and make it stop. I sure hope that stuff does not screw up my car."

I have beaten over 100 traffic tickets, so I have a pretty good idea what works and what does not.
Title: Re:
Post by: One_punchmachinegun on June 09, 2014, 10:26:27 pm
Yup. Its alright, I'm sure I could have done it differently and got out of it. Not that I feel like I was giving little to much attitude, last thing I wanted was a ticket. I feel like the two key points that got me the ticket were
1: the large quantity of black smoke( can be very offensive to some)
2: the smile/laughter, not sure if he completely seen it but if he did that didn't help.
But regardless it's in the past and paid for. Good times

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Title: Re: Michigan state police don't like black smoke
Post by: anhtran on October 03, 2016, 12:58:25 am
He did give her a fix it ticket for the small crack
Title: Michigan state police dont like black smoke
Post by: hernelE on May 03, 2019, 03:27:28 pm
Anyone know where I can buy a replacement smoke generator. Mine misfeeds/doesn't feed fairly often has for long time now worse? Are new ones more reliable?
Thanks.