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For Sale/Looking For => Parts for Sale/Wanted => Topic started by: koppernicus on July 10, 2007, 06:38:03 am

Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: koppernicus on July 10, 2007, 06:38:03 am
I found a 1990 Golf Coupe Diesel for sale for $2300.

it has 446,000 KMs on the odometer, but the owner says its on its 2nd engine; with only about 150,000 kms on it.

I want to talk him down to $2000, but I'm not sure if its even a good deal or not.

i know nothing about gas-running cars, let alone diesel engines.
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: somolovitch3 on July 10, 2007, 07:24:33 am
Where all is you at?

Body okay, no rust hidding someplace?

Engine starts good, does not smoke?

Auto or manual trany?  4 speed or 5?

Tires got good tread? Wheels look good?

When you drive it, does the car feel "nifty"(very subjective !) to you?
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: koppernicus on July 10, 2007, 02:38:26 pm
we're in vancouver, canada.

its a manual transmission, do not know the number.

body looks great - the seller is an autobody mechanic.

haven't started it yet. tires look great too...

going to give it a test drive today.
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: jtanguay on July 10, 2007, 06:15:02 pm
well if the guy is being truthful with you, the motor probably has the TDI crank fix (depending on when the motor was made)

if the motor really does have around 150'000km it's worth it.
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: koppernicus on July 10, 2007, 08:03:42 pm
its a 5 speed; and i don't think the guy knows anything about the motor, because the motor was in it before he got it himself...

how do i find out more about the motor? i.e. where do i look?
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: burn_your_money on July 10, 2007, 09:04:08 pm
At these temps it should fire up quickly with 1 cycle of the glow plugs. If it doesn't expect a few bad glow plugs and possibly some bad injectors.

When the engine is running open up the oil filler (on the valve cover) if it's puffing white smoke walk away. If it's just blowing out air the engine is probably pretty healthy.

I'm always afraid of buying cars from body shops
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: commuter boy on July 10, 2007, 09:27:41 pm
The silver one on Craigslist?  Seems to be gone from there now.

It's likely a diesel swap into a gas chassis, I don't think there were a lot of diesel coupes imported.

It's an old car.  All the non-engine running gear will be due to fall apart.   Need to find out if the transaxle was swapped with the engine, a lot of people don't bother, and you end up with a diesel that rev's too high.

For a grand more you could get one with 250-300k on it.
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: burn_your_money on July 10, 2007, 11:51:09 pm
I've owned a few NA 2 door golfs
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: koppernicus on July 11, 2007, 02:18:55 pm
it fires up no problem - like a normal gas car; i've never had to wait yet.

no smoke coming from engine - but there is sometimes a puff out the exhaust when i start it up.

its from an old friend of my dad's - he hasn't had contact with him for years though. not on craigslist yet.

its white.
Title: Transmission problem
Post by: koppernicus on July 15, 2007, 02:44:40 pm
I dunno what happened. my brother was driving the car, and when he wanted to switch from 1st to 2nd, the car just didn't switch.

the gears do not respond - the shifter knob has no resistance..

the clutch works, and i've checked the linkage rods - they seem to be in good working order. (anyone have any tests I can run on the linkage rods?)

i pushed and pulled the linkage rod where it goes into the transmission and it moves the shifter in car.....

am i looking at a serious transmission problem here?
Title: shifter prob
Post by: bigblockchev on July 15, 2007, 05:14:21 pm
If you move the linkage under the hood at the tranny itself does it go into gear? if so it is a linkage problem. bit of a pain but fixable.  Get someone to shift while you watch & see if everything moves or something just flops around. If it happened suddenly it is likely a linkage issue, something just fell off something else. I know a guy who works on VWs in East Van if you are interested. Cheers Dan
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: Patrick on July 15, 2007, 05:25:31 pm
Sounds like shifter linkage unhooked, but you say you checked. You sure? Look under the hood while someone else runs the shifter. Forward/back (eg 3-4 shift) is one movement/set of rods while changing gates (1/2 as opposed to 3/4) is another set of rods. If both sets are there/hooked up then you've got bigger problems, probably in the transaxle but maybe the clutch........
Title: Re: shifter prob
Post by: koppernicus on July 16, 2007, 01:56:59 am
Quote from: "bigblockchev"
If you move the linkage under the hood at the tranny itself does it go into gear? if so it is a linkage problem. bit of a pain but fixable.  Get someone to shift while you watch & see if everything moves or something just flops around. If it happened suddenly it is likely a linkage issue, something just fell off something else. I know a guy who works on VWs in East Van if you are interested. Cheers Dan


i move the linkage and the bar that goes in and out of the tranny moves, but nothing goes into gear....

when someone shifts from the car everything moves but it doesnt go into gear...

i hope to god its a linkage issue, because i can't afford a tranny.
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: bigblockchev on July 16, 2007, 02:17:23 am
Doesn't sound too good. Give Virgil a call at Dubs Garage 778 865-3827 he might be able to give you some better info, he is in Poco. Or you could try Alan at Al's Rabbits 604 254 9936 in East Van . both these guys work on nothing but VWs. Good luck
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: koppernicus on July 16, 2007, 04:51:04 pm
Quote from: "bigblockchev"
Doesn't sound too good. Give Virgil a call at Dubs Garage 778 865-3827 he might be able to give you some better info, he is in Poco. Or you could try Alan at Al's Rabbits 604 254 9936 in East Van . both these guys work on nothing but VWs. Good luck


alright, i've called a few diff shops, and Al's and they seem to all say the same thing. "must be the clutch" or something to do in the shifting linkage... the gearshift/linkage rods, clutch "arm" etc.

anyone know anything about transmissions? is there a universal piece inside the transmission that can go and cause all the gears to stop working like this?

thanks!
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: koppernicus on July 17, 2007, 03:57:38 pm
so i played around with the linkages... i found that i could put the car into gear with my hand, from the linkage arm.... i had my dad put the clutch in, then i shifted it.... so theres nothing wrong w/ the tranny - it shifts into gear noiselessly.

i followed the linkages back, and i saw this ball a bit further back that seemed to move a lot; without having any effect. I had the bolt on top of the bar holding the ball tightened, and voila - she shifted again.

i'm now the proud owner of a working 1990 diesel golf coupe.

i'll get some pics and show you guys. :)
Title: So now you know something
Post by: bigblockchev on July 17, 2007, 05:24:56 pm
I would probably go over the whole car to see if anything else is loose. It seems probable the owner maintained the rest of it in the same condition. See my signature. Good luck
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: koppernicus on July 21, 2007, 07:07:40 pm
here are some pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bendavid/sets/72157600939878434/

what do you suggest i check over for loose-ness?

I checked over the linkages, they seem to be alright.
Title: check please
Post by: bigblockchev on July 21, 2007, 07:31:21 pm
I would be looking at things like wheel nuts, suspension fasteners, oil drain plug & anything else that they might have had occasion to touch. I would also double check oil and fluid levels everywhere. It would seem to indicate that there may have been a bit of sloppiness in the maintenance. If everything checks out you at least have peace of mind. Good luck Dan
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: burn_your_money on July 21, 2007, 07:43:48 pm
That is a strangly clean car, good buy

Check the motor mount bolts, starter bolts, and control arm bolts in addition to what was already mentioned. You'll probably be fine though
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: koppernicus on July 22, 2007, 03:24:25 am
yeah it looks really clean and nice - cept the ceiling.

i hate how it looks, he just painted over it. what can i do to it?

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1152/867046372_22d2af3135.jpg)
Title: Should I buy this?
Post by: burn_your_money on July 22, 2007, 09:55:44 am
Take it out and put in one from a different car. Be happy it's not a Jetta, you'd have to remove the rear glass to get it in and out
Title: yes you should buy it
Post by: bigblockchev on July 22, 2007, 09:53:33 pm
It looks like a typical body shop guy car clean in and out but greasy under the hood, those linkages probably transferred lots of black goo to your body when you were fixing them. I would get some gunk degreaser and clean up the engine compartment so that working on it is a pleasure not a pain. It makes a lot of difference when you are trying to see what is wrong with something if it is not the same black color as everything else. I'm a bit of a clean freak under the hood but the rest of the car looks pretty cherry. Cheers Dan