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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: jackbombay on January 01, 2005, 09:20:53 pm
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So it looks like I will be getting one of these along with a quantum syncro :D . I am told that the Audi TD will "bolt right in". Anyone here have expirience with this swap? Or knoledge that this swap is indeed relativley painless?
What about the 2.0 itself, I've never read about them specifically, anything particulllarly bad or good there?
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only problem that I know of with the 2.0 TD... is finding replacement parts. REAL expensive.. I was thinking of buying one but the 1.6L TD has way cheaper parts, and easier to find. They are definitely solid engines though. Nice hydraulic clutch (on a 5k audi--rare 5spd) for smooth shifting... really drive in style with one of those.
5 cyl has excellent torque!! thats the upside to the engine :)
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Replacement patrs are something I was concidering, the current clutch in the car (with the gasser) has a bad throwout bearing, a new audi TD clutch is actually only $150. I have not looked into timing belts, gaskets/seals, etc. I don't doubt they are a spendy...
I should have some pics to look at by this evening and see how it might all fit. I'll ask for some measurements as well.
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My friend swapped a turbocharged and intercooled Audi 2,4 diesel engine in his `84 Passat (Quantum). (http://www.kotinet.com/matti.farm/113-1352_img.jpg) It wasn`t direct bolt in becouse it was originally four cylinder 1,6 diesel. If you have five cylinder gasser, it will be right bolt in. Altough I don`t know how the exhaust manifold and turbo will fit. We made our own tube header and used Garrett To3 from Saab 900.
And of course you`ll have to do some wiring and other small mods (exhaust, air cleaner).
If you have 4banger, you`ll need transmission, front driveshafts, front springs, engine mountings, k-member, etc... He had `82 Passat GL5 for spare parts.
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it is a 5 banger gasser so I'm in luck.
thanks for the replies so far.
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yea theres a PDF floating around this forum that has the audi 2.0 TD engine manual. If I ever find an audi 5k turbodiesel for cheap... I'd buy one, then convert to svo! All audi 5k's have 5 cyl (probably why they call it a 5k. and audi 4k = 4cyl, but did the 4k come with diesel option??? I'm guessing it did, but was it available in north america??)
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from Audi 80
(http://img65.exs.cx/img65/303/dieselquantum3cu.jpg)
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wow what a clean engine!!! Intercooled and all.. must run like a champ!
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That's interesting how some of the accessories are on the back of the engine. I don't think I'd want to change any belts but it's definately different. If they were available new I'd snap one up for sure.
Steve
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That engine is from `89 Audi 100 (5000) 5 cylinder diesel wasn`t available at Audi 80/4000/Quantum.
My friends Passat (http://www.kotinet.com/matti.farm/113-1353_img.jpg)
And of course you`ll have to do some wiring and other small mods (exhaust, air cleaner)
A couple of things that came in to my mind: You will need to make throttle cable and battery tray must be cut a little. The injector pump belt will be near battery. My friend moved the battery under rear seat and got more room for exhaust pipe and pump belt.
Yeah it runs great 8) Too small turbo though.
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That thing is laid out like my wife's Fox. (now parked) Is there two timing belts? or is the pump gear driven?
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Yes two belts, timing and pump belt.
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The syncro vanagon's trans is different to the Q-ship's, and adapting different engines to it is a common issue that has to be overcome when swapping engines into syncro vanagons.
In the USA the syncro Q-ship was available only with the 5-cly gasser, but any TD should bolt right up.
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I am collecting parts to do the same swap...I hvae 2 qsws and one qfwd all 5cyl gassers..one of my friends as access to a few 5cyl tds from audi 5000s...i am debating rebuilting one of those or locating a 2.5L 5cly tdi engine from europe or the parts place... but parts place waqnts $3500 for one and it doesn't mention if its used or not ha...did the 2.5L TDIs come to canada?...any one have alinke for a long block ..or ideas to uses a multilayer steel headgasket with the old 2.0L 5cyl?... as i plane to head stud it..make my own exhaust and fab a twin staged turbo setup..did the volvo 740s use the 5cylinder engine? .and the 760 use the 6cyl?...i wonder if the 6cyl would bolt up to the 5cyl syncro tranny..fabb a front mount and fix some oiling issues and it would be cool..any ideas or more pics of your conversions guys?
thanks
Deo
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240 and 740 Diesels all had 6 bangers
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I'm the one who was looking into the 5-cyl TD/Vanagon swap. One of the hurdles I ran into was the different bolt pattern on the crank of the 5-cyl engine making for an incompatible 1.6 4-cyl pressure plate/flywheel. Also, as far as I know they never imported the manual transmission version of the 82 Audi 5000TD into the US so tracking down a compatible flywheel/pressure plate may prove difficult (though the 5-cyl gasser quantum may have the same bolt-pattern, don't know for sure).
I ended up selling this engine to a fellow down in Medford, OR who was looking into to putting it into his 5-cyl gasser quantum.
Justin
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I believe the TD engine in the Volvos was the same Volkswagen 6 cyl engine as powered the VW LT trucks in the 1980s, like this one (LT trucks never made it to the North America market):
(http://static.marktplaza.nl/images/2/657648.jpg)
I think these Volvo (VW) TD engines were all 2.4 litres, and would use the same transmission housing pattern as the 5 cylinder engines - IIRC, they're more or less just a 2.0 litre 5 banger with an extra cylinder tacked on the end.
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cool i am intersted in seeing how the 6cyl can be modified in the oiling aras to make ot dependable?...i have a big 12mm plunger VE pump from a cummins engine that i could use for the 6cyl engine..would be cdool in a syncro wagon!? can body ever find out any info on 2338 ? he had emailed looking for a older cummins pump for his vovlo last year but i have since changed computers and may have lost his email..i might have it on a old cd if i saved it..so maybe some one can find something for us ...?
ha
Later
deo
\x/ Hillfolk!
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I ended up selling this engine to a fellow down in Medford, OR who was looking into to putting it into his 5-cyl gasser quantum.
Justin
Wow, small world, the one I am buying was sold to the present owner by a guy named Justin. What can you tell me about it, I was told it was in "running condition" , but steve had few other details about the motor specifically. This place (http://www.drivewire.com/audiparts/1982-1983audi5000dieselt.html) has clutches for the Audi motor in question, only $150 as well, Steve told me that the 5 banger gasser and the Audi TD have the same bolt pattern on the flywheel, same input shaft, etc...
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It's kind of funny that another syncro wagon popped up for sale on www.vwdieselparts.com at the same time. It's a different year though.
Steve