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General Information => General => Topic started by: burn_your_money on March 07, 2007, 05:34:13 pm
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http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt
I didn't finish reading it, it was getting me too worked up :evil:
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He should have served his guests(agents) with some Bio-Diesel and asked them what they thought about drinking alternative Fuel.....
Thats crazy that they would charge him tax on fuel that he uses for personal use, but if he is supply it to others than that is another story....
I would like to say more about American law but whats the point, if they would promote Bio-Fuels, instead of taxing a Guy who converts Waste Oil into Fuel, then they might not be over in Iraq.
To the fellow Americans on this board this is in no means an attack on you just a few words for the leaders of your country.
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Perhaps government agents ought to be chasing down
the large corporations that owe millions in back taxes,
instead of going after this poor old guy.
Why should he pay taxes on used vegetable oil anyway?
Big Oil and Meestair Boosh getting nervous?
Surely we all pay enough in income taxes, sales taxes,
GST (in Canada), annual registration, property taxes.
and so on, and so on and so on.
And if you actually expect government to supply services in
return, they start talking about "user fees".
What a rip-off.
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Just another reason for me to hate Illinois.
Just stay out of the crosshairs and dont keep records. Thats what caused the Nazis such grief in Nurenburg. Other then having just terrible ideals of course.
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They tax used oil for the same reason they'll tax a used car the 25th time it is sold - because they can. As for the major corporations, they can afford to hire lawyers to fight back, plus 9 times out of 10, them and the pols are either buddies or the politicians hope they'll get hired as consultants after they leave politics. You scratch my back..... Of course you and I can't effectively scratch a politicians back. Same reason they hammer harder on vehicle emissions than they do on industrial emissions. If you and I could buy exemptions at the same rate that industry does, nobody would ever repair emissions equipment on their cars.
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They tried to let us pay tax in the Netherlands to some years ago. Till the European goverment accepted a law that says that the countries can't add extra tax. We allready pay 19% percent on consumer goods (in the supermarket)
They pulled me and my caddy mk1 over from time to time. Because I always carried a copy of the law with me. The contacted their chief and than I could drive on...
It's realy silly because the emissions on a good adjusted engine are a lot better than on normal diesel.
I quit driving on SVO/WVO about a year ago because I wrecked 2 engines. Due to the gummy stuf the fuel creates when it's not hot enough while burned.
Nothing worked to clean the engine. Dieselclean, thinner, acid... One time my plunger broke (and it wasn't the temperature in the pump, because i build in a thermometer in the head) The other time my piston springs were stuck in the pistons. (gum)
I drove about 200.000 km's on it.
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I also hate IL. Next, you are going to have to get a permit just to poop. I cannot believe they are wasting manpower for $250. By the time the IRS pays the special agents for the time on the case, travel fees, investigation time, earned time off, sick time off, paid benefits, and their pension, that $250 will barely pay all of that. It would not be worth it to go after this guy. I bet there are more diesel pickup trucks with off road diesel than there are WVO cars in IL. Atleast some politians stepped in. Who knows if they can do anything to amount to a hill of beans though.
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what a joke... you can look at this two ways. the tax has already been paid by the purchaser of the vegetable oil. he is only 'disposing' of the old vegetable oil... if they tax the disposal, then fine...
just more proof that the 'system' is failing. hopefully something changes soon!
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You had to go and do it, didn't you? I guess it's guys like you that give the politicians their ideas. :lol:
Sarcastic and serious start with the same letter -close enough for them.
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Slightly off topic but I like Illinois,
My brother lives in Glencoe, north
of Chicago, just above Winetka.
I've visited there lots of times and
I think Chicago is a beautiful city.
Great music too! :)
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What's even more assinine about this is the danm oil was probably already taxed when it was sold new so they are getting double tax on the same product.
I hate these kind of stories.
dan
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not sure about in the states, but here in ontario we all pay tax on the tax on all of our road-use fuel. (http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/emthup.gif)
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edit: just checked, that applies to all of canada. read this (http://taxpayer.com/pdf/GTHC_2006_Report.pdf) if you're canadian and feel like getting upset.
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that story makes me feel a little ill and a little like boxing.
dude is 79 and seems to be good-natured. willing to pay whatever he rightfully owes. nice way to treat your elderly citizens..
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do like the moonshiners.......don't let 'em catch ya :twisted:
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FWIW, I "self-assess" my road tax quarterly, @ 16.9 cents a liter for the SVO I burn.
I'd obviously prefer to pay no tax, but this is way better than having it banned because of a lack of tax structure.
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I've heard several stories of this kind of thing. Someone is assessed a retroactive tax for the waste vegetable oil they use. The wierd thing is the requirement to register as a supplier, which TFA says Illinois law states expressly that he is not.
Would it be a violation of state law for someone with a capacity of less than 30,000 gallons to register as a supplier?
I wonder if it occurs to anyone at the IL DoR to use a little common sense?
The advent of alternative fuels should really lead the states to examine the ways in which the "road use" taxes are assessed and collected. It's alway just assumed that all vehicles on the road use gasoline and diesel, so the tax is assessed there. But now there are electric vehicles that don't use any liquid fuel, so how to asses a road tax on those vehicles?
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Maybe an incentive for people to use environmentally friendlier alternatives such as WVO, SVO, ethanol, electricity, etc. would be to NOT charge any road taxes. I know this might eventually cause road maintenance funding issues, so if the law was written to do this until the percentage of users reached a given number, it could act as an incentive for more people to start using alternatives to gasoline and diesel.
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yeah, out one side of their mouth they say there isn't enough vegetable oil to even run a small percentage of our vehicles... then out the other side they are saying they will lose too much revenue if they make vegetable oil exempt from road use fuel tax.
They sure do get embarrassed when someone actually trys to fine these people, and it becomes front page news that they don't give a damn about renewable energy. Suddenly bills get introduced to address the issue.
All the handouts to the large biodiesel manufacturers and the reduction of tax at the sale point for biodiesel... but we haven't asked them to hand us any money.
Just stop using regulations that make it more difficult to run on SVO, than it is to run on petro. We are already putting time and energy into running renewables. Asking us to fill out a bunch of paperwork only adds to the effort needed to do the right thing.