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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: mk1vdub on February 21, 2007, 03:51:05 am

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: mk1vdub on February 21, 2007, 03:51:05 am

can anyone tell me if there are any differences between a GTD SB head and a "normal" turbo diesel head?

I know you didn't actually get the GTD engine over the pond, but alot of you guys seem really knowledgable on lots of euro parts, so I figure its worth an ask...

also if anyone in the UK has a GTD head for sale, or a normal turbo head if they are no different, I may well be interested :D

thanks

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: Audi80 on February 21, 2007, 07:25:20 am

It´s a same head. Why don´t you buy a new head?

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: bert on February 21, 2007, 09:13:25 am

has the GTD threw a shoe then mate,whats up with the head?
Bert

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: TomB on February 21, 2007, 10:11:30 am

There's 3 GTDs on fleabay at the moment, one of which might go for about £100.  Not ideal to get a whole car I suppose, but if you need bits urgently & have the space & time...
The bits usually crop up under 'breaking' every week or so though.
Good luck,
Tom

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: entuzijast on February 21, 2007, 11:38:07 am

Quote from: Audi80

It´s a same head. Why don´t you buy a new head?

New head?..Where?

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: Audi80 on February 21, 2007, 12:01:08 pm

From here (http://cgi.ebay.de/Zylinderkopf-VW-Transporter-Bus-T-3-1-6-D-TD-CS-JX-NEU_W0QQitemZ290084317423QQihZ019QQcategoryZ61369QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) for example. New heads are normal replacement parts :shock:

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: mk1vdub on February 21, 2007, 02:28:44 pm

well a new head would be lovely, but unfortunately I'm not made of money! :shock:

bert: yeah it threw all its toys out the pram the other day and snapped the cambelt! :evil:  so thats a couple of bent valves, several damaged tappets and a cam with +-2.5 degrees wobble,which although not terminal means I wouldn't mind it if another came up.  When one of the tappets was mashed its gouged its register a fair bit, it may be fixable, but I'm just weighing up all the options....


it also means now could be the time to go for a 1.9 ??

who knows I'll see what the ebay and breakers yard gods have to say on the matter...

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: bert on February 22, 2007, 12:14:04 am

1.9  :twisted:
Bert

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: bert on February 22, 2007, 12:18:16 am

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130081554542&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=003

Bert

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: BellCityDubber on February 23, 2007, 12:05:42 pm

I thought this place would be good as any to ask...


What's the difference between the NA 1.6 heads and the 1.6TD heads?

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: jtanguay on February 24, 2007, 06:26:38 am

the head is made of a stronger heat resistant alloy, and the exhaust valves are more durable and can take extra heat.  at least thats what VAG says...

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: BellCityDubber on February 24, 2007, 10:03:45 am

Quote from: "jtanguay"

the head is made of a stronger heat resistant alloy, and the exhaust valves are more durable and can take extra heat.  at least thats what VAG says...

Okay, I thought so but wasn't sure

I have an extra 1.6 NA engine beside my garage and was wondering if it was worth sending the head out for some work to put on my TD.  I guess not then.

I should have expected as much, the typical differences from a FI head to a NA head.

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: mk1vdub on February 25, 2007, 03:39:58 am

Quote from: bert

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130081554542&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=003

Bert

aye thanks mate, I saw that one, luckily I managed to find a whole replacement 1.6 TD with what appears to be a nearly new head for £150 :D , so I'm just going to chuck that in.

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: bert on February 25, 2007, 05:24:40 am

Nice one mate,so i will se it at the meet then  :wink:
Bert

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: janb on February 25, 2007, 07:29:32 pm

rumor has it... if it is a hyd head, it is ok to use for TD or NA, and is of the same alloy.

the prechambers and valves had different materials pre '86

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: jtanguay on February 26, 2007, 06:33:58 am

Quote from: "janb"

rumor has it... if it is a hyd head, it is ok to use for TD or NA, and is of the same alloy.

the prechambers and valves had different materials pre '86

i think that rumour is true...  i just checked ETKA, and ME MF RA SB all have the same head :P valves and camshaft included.

this is great info because i just bought a parts car with a nice rebuilt head... ohhh yea!!!

Title: difference between cylinder heads?
Post by: BellCityDubber on March 05, 2007, 07:39:16 pm

Quote from: "jtanguay"

i think that rumour is true...  i just checked ETKA, and ME MF RA SB all have the same head :P valves and camshaft included.

this is great info because i just bought a parts car with a nice rebuilt head... ohhh yea!!!

Okay, so I gotta check the engine code... it will be stamped under the front coolant flange on the block, correct?

I know that on the back there is the displacement casting, but is there any other way to tell WHEN the head was made.... e.g. after 86?