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For Sale/Looking For => Parts for Sale/Wanted => Topic started by: myke_w on January 24, 2007, 07:11:38 am
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Ok, So in light of "not high enough" oil pressure on my old Vanagon TD motor, I went searching for a solution.
This was news to me, but I'd guess most of you already know - the 91 and newer oil pumps for hydraulic diesel motors are a direct bolt on HD upgrade for earlier hydraulic (smaller pump) and all mechanical motors.
I know I can't be the only one who gets to see the .3 bar idiot light come on with very hot oil at idle - and my motor is pretty fresh too.
So this is the solution. This pump has 36 mm gears as opposed to the older ones (significantly shorter) for higher pressure (with the added oil pressure loss from the squirters and turbo circuit your head will thank you)
Anyway, I'd be glad to do em for $100 USD shipped in the US, a bit more to Canadia. I wasn't able to find any under $150 + shipping so this is a pretty good deal IMO. BTW part # is 028 115 105 G
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Will those fit the Audi 2.0s?
Actually, come to think of it, I don't know what the stock size is on the Audi engines...
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you mean 5 cyl? I don't think it's the same sump, they use a chain that drives off the crank I believe.
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The older pumps had 30mm gears and the newer pump is a good upgrade, if for no other reason than it shuts noisy lifters up on cold mornings.
The number you quoted translates into $76 CDN at the local stealership,BTW.
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$76 CDN at the local stealership,BTW.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Holy crap.. This must be the same pump they use on the 1.9 TD too then, the only way it's that cheap is market popularity..
Well anyway, still for sale in USA :)
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Like I said, it`s a good swap for colder climates(-42C here every now and again). I tried using a 16V pump a long time ago but found out that the shafts were splined differently THAT was an expensive mistake,..
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Aside from the spline issue, there's no lubrication through the shaft to the vacuum pump (on the gasser oil pumps).
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I did this on the old IDI TD that I had built up... was a mechanical TD, the 36mm pump is a common upgrade for those with gas 1.8's looking to up their oil pressure as well. The smaller pumps are 30mm gears... It takes the 2.0 16v's oil pump and utilizes it for those particular cars...
A nice upgrade.
You actually can find them at autohaus az for around 65.00 prior to shipping (300 list), and through germanautoparts.com for 87.00 or so prior to shipping.
Def worth the upgrade :)
Joe
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I have a '91 1.6TD, is this a good upgrade for me? If so what am I looking for, what comes with this pump?
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your car already has this pump.. Also, as was noted, you may be able to get it cheaper from one of the other vendors mentioned here :) just make sure the part number begins with 028 115 105 G and not 068 115 105 NA
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I checked the AZ Autohaus website
and typed in Part#028 115 105G.
They list this oil pump at $174.30
with a list price of 204.02
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Like I said, I'd be glad to sell them for 100 shipped :) I really think the prices mentioned earlier must have been for the 068 #... I guess I have to assume the one on GAP doesn't have the holes drilled in the shaft to lubricate the vane style vacuum pump, that is (I'm pretty certain, a gasser pump only)..
I think an email to them might be in order..
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mikey...
Yes...def...maybe I mislead in what I was posting. I'm sorry. Def. go with the diesel specific pump... I put the gas one up there for those that might have gassers around and wanted to pump up their oil pressure as well...enhance citing the gasser pump specifically as well. I'm sure you could mod the gasser pump to maybe work....but its not worth the effort in the difference of price between the HD diesel pumps you can get for 100shipped and what they want for the 36mm gasser oil pumps.
Def. a nice price guys, and nice upgrade. Thought I'd provide the other for those with gassers out there that haven't had the chance to be converted yet! :)
Joe
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Thanks Joe.. and no worries!
Yes, you can make the gas pump fit if you drill the shaft longitudinally, but it's a fat pain in the ass because it's hardened. Unless you have a drill press and some serious bits, you are going to be there a while..
:D
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Myke W,
Are these oil pumps made in Germany? I purchased a higher volume oil pump from the Parts Place Inc. and it turned out to be one made in China( the three words I hate the most) . It was inferior looking from a quality standpoint -looked like the machining was done on a hobby lathe. Then they charged me a restocking fee when I returned it-I will never buy a thing from those clowns again.
Thanx,
Pete
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Most definitely made in Germany.
Made by Meyle a big supplier of all kinds of after market parts.
I will supply pics shortly.
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See pics here.. warning ther are quite large..
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~mw105397/pics/Parts/028115105G/
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Myke W,
Are these oil pumps made in Germany? I purchased a higher volume oil pump from the Parts Place Inc. and it turned out to be one made in China( the three words I hate the most) . It was inferior looking from a quality standpoint -looked like the machining was done on a hobby lathe. Then they charged me a restocking fee when I returned it-I will never buy a thing from those clowns again.
Thanx,
Pete
I've had similar experiences with parts place and won't buy from them again either. They advertise one thing....and sold another.... haven't been back since. When I voiced my concerns, etc...man...customer service wasn't par either...
Joe
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Ok, I'm a big dummy. Don't worry, the deal is still god, the pump is still made in Germany and all that.
One minor detail about the part - Standard mechanical head pumps actually had 26mm gears.
I measured tonight - This pump, and all the newer ones, ie 9a, aba, ahu, 1z, probably even aaz have 30mm gears.
I threw the one in the pics in my TD Vanagon this evening and it really boosted pressure at speed and even a bit at idle..
Anyway, FWIW.. :)
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Myke W, I have a German Import JR code 1.6 TD hydraulic engine. I have been fighting Oil Pressure issues since day one. Engine had only 48,000 miles on clock when imported with excellent numbers all around except OP. Idle, 8 PSI, and at 2200 RPM, 24 PSI measured warm with mechanical gauge.
Cold, I am at 26 lbs idle and 68 lbs @2200 RPM. I suspected the intermediate shaft bearings were going South until I read your post. Do you really think I can gain acceptable oil pressure with your setup? I would much prefer removing the pan and NOT the whole engine if possible! What can I expect for oil pressure with the 36mm gears in a 1.6 TD engine? Any comments you can add I would appreciate. I am used to much higher numbers as my NA engines run in the 70 PSI range at 2200RPM, but these are all mechanical lifter engiines, not TD hydraulic. Tom
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I would suspect your car came with this pump, since it has a hydraulic head..
This is not really a remedy to low oil pressure on a tired motor - It's more of an upgrade from stock to get more oil pressure out of the gates.. If you did go this route, I think you would be just delaying the inevitable..
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myke_w,
Definitely good quality, I wish I had pictures of the one made in China-the tip of the drive shaft was uneven and when you turned the shaft there was play and a loud rumbling sound. Anyhow I didn't see them on your ebay store should I order one over here? Do these require the longer mounting bolts, which I have?
Thanx,
Pete
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My paypal is [email protected]
I'd prefer to avoid the ebay store if not just for the damn fees.
I am pretty sure the bolt length is the same. IIRC it's only the body of the pump that is clearenced for the gears, so the body is the same length as the old ones, also has to be that way for proper pickup clearance.
I generally need a day or so to turn them around..
I will put pics of the gears next to each other tonight so you can see the difference.
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Forgive my ignorance.... Is there a significant difference between the 1.5 and 1.6 oil pumps? More oil is always a good thing...
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the 1.5 pump would almost certainly have small gears..
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I suppose I should ask if it'd likely work with bigger gears.
Also... I just noticed page 2 and read briefly.... 30mm on a 1Z? And yours are 36mm? Hmmmm.... Anything that'd help the life of our 1Z might be loved by my mom....
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Let me clarify..
Old pumps - pre-hydraulic - 26mm gears - #068-115-105NA
This pump - hydraulic lifter motor - 30mm gears - #028-115-105G
Same pump as later hydraulic motors, same as 1z, ahu
Sorry about the confusion.. I'm an idiot :wink:
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Hey Mike, this isn't the pump you got on your website is it?
'Cause your website says 36mm gears. Just curious, here you say it's 30mm gears and I'm just wondering which one I got from you. Thanks :)
Let me clarify..
Old pumps - pre-hydraulic - 26mm gears - #068-115-105NA
This pump - hydraulic lifter motor - 30mm gears - #028-115-105G
Same pump as later hydraulic motors, same as 1z, ahu
Sorry about the confusion.. I'm an idiot
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EDIT: You mustuv upgraded since this post, I did some searches and found were people measured your's and said they're 36mm. :)
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sorry - if you got it from me - it has 36mm gears unless you requested 30mm :)