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General Information => General => Topic started by: SMOKEYDUB on September 11, 2006, 03:36:10 pm
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i have a chance to take away 2 45 gallon drums of furnace oil which i figure is the same as kerosene or like a mix of that and diesel. so can i or not because that would be freakin SWEET if i could. **mutters** (stupid g/f in guelph)
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I heard you could. But I'm not 100% sure. You'd probably want a nice assortment of lubricants to add to it
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When I moved into my present home it had oil heat. With the aged equipment and all the new oil tank/furnace inspection requirements we decided to switch to gas, which just recently became available in the area. The tank was a 200 gallon unit and was 3/4 full, the furnace installer suggested that he "take it away" for $400... Like hell! I burned to whole 150 gallons in my car, no additives and no problems.
In some cases furnace oil is the same product as #2 diesel. The dye package is added at the terminal. Sometimes heating oil contains more sulfer than on road diesel, depends on the supplier and the time of year that it's purchased, in the winter it is more likely to be high sulfer, when the quantity is high enough to justify a seperate product. Heating oil purchased in the summer is likely to be #2 diesel. I wouldn't worry about lubricity and cetane, it'll be fine.
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NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In most smaller towns, the distributor will only have 1 bulk tank for #2 and they add dye as needed. Larger places may have mulitple tanks, but even so I wouldnt worry about burning it.
There are issues with old diesel having bacteria or something in it. Don't know much about it, but it supposedly happens to old boats sitting around too much.
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I...err, I mean a friend of mine ;) ran lots of furnace oil through his TDI in the past. Coincidentally, a 97 like mine :wink:
Anyway...use your favourite additive or 2 cycle oil if you like, but in Ontario it's typically same as dyed farm/off-road fuel anyway as the guys above mention. Keep in mind how sophisticated & expensive farm equipment has gotten, if it'll run that it'll run our cars fine.
Never witnessed a problem with fuel sitting in a tank up to a couple yrs, and one free batch of ~50gal was from an old tank removal, fuel was probably 10yrs old :shock:
It actually ran GREAT, more power & smoke than usual, may have been high sulfer, but...plugged a filter with crap. So if you have any doubts to the fuel's cleanliness, prefilter before adding to your car at least...and enjoy 8)
PS I've come to the conclusion in recent years that few women are worth travelling very far for even in a diesel, but I digress...YMMV...LMAO :P
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Diesel fuel and furnace oul are the same thing exactly. I knew a guy with a Rabbit diesel once who had over 400,000km on it and had never stopped at a gas station in its life(except in an emergency, of course). His wood-heated home had a 200 gallon oil tank which was filled on automatic delivery home heating.
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What happens if you get caught, by the
powers that be, using furnace oil?
Is there a hefty fine, or something?
I read somewhere that, in the U.S., if
you're caught using furnace oil or farm
diesel, there's a $20,000 fine.
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That can be true, but look at experience. I've driven over 2.5 million kilometers in diesel VWs and never been checked.
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that's what i'm saying, whos gonna check, i know loads of big truck guys that have a tank in the bend of there truck full of heating oil with a nozzle on it so they can run it in there trucks haha, crazy bastards. i have never heard of anyone getting checked for heating oil, and who really cares anyway haha. i don't think it's anyones business what color your fuel is :roll:
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I've never been checked. Supposidly, they check the color of the material in the filter to see if its pink, representing the use of dyed fuel. However, I have heard of people on the forums getting pulled over and checked. I guess you could argue you use ATF with every tank though?
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I was wondering this same thing myself and glad I did a search on it.
Cash and carry furnace oil is becoming very popular around here (meaning you can buy it at the pumps like diesel and gas) which makes getting it very easy. And with the current price of diesel (around 92 cents per litre today) and that of furnace oil (around 74 cents per litre) it's more economical. I might not be able to fill up at the pumps, but I can fill a few jerry cans and then top up in my own yard (this is how I buy all my firnace oil....cheaper than home delivery and I drive by a station every day).
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my parents just got the home heating oil tank filled and the bill says right on it
"no.2 diesel fuel"
it just has dye in it,at least here in upstate ny
i got 500 gallons from work once of off road fuel
i tried my darndest to burn it up in less than a year in my old caddy
it ran fine
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regarding my post above
if its really diesel fuel with dye in it
can this "off road fuel" be safely run in my dads 03 tdi golf???
can off road fuel be used in a tdi??im just worried about the cat+emissions equipment
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i would think if its regular diesel fuel with just dye in it it would be fine just hopefully the ministry doesnt take any samples of our tanks.
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off-road diesel = diesel less the taxes. But it will still be used in some awful expensive engines, much more so that a VW, so I think your safe mechanically using it. Word I hear around here is that passenger cars are never likely to be checked for dye unless they have a reason to suspect you. Like your neighbour rats you out or they see you filling up at the 'offroad' only pump.
I wonder what they will do if they pulled you over and found a bunch of home brew bio or cooking oil in your tank?
Heating fuel is not necessarily the same thing as diesel, but in many places it is. Call up your fuel supplier and ask them if it is safe to run it in your 'tractor', see what they say.
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i was just asking
hey im down here in the states btw :wink:
i know you cant run off road (dyed) fuel in a gm 6.5 t because the red dye makes some optical sensor in the pump wack out cause it cant "see" thru the fuel
and i wasnt sure if there was any kind of wierd thing like that on a tdi that could happen
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How old of furnace oil would you guys feel comfortable running? Somone down the road is getting rid of their oil tank, the condition is that you have to take the oil. I see it the other way, free oil but you have to take the tank :lol:
So yeah, if it's been sitting, how long is safe? Should I mix if 50/50 or something crazy like that?
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How old of furnace oil would you guys feel comfortable running? Somone down the road is getting rid of their oil tank, the condition is that you have to take the oil. I see it the other way, free oil but you have to take the tank :lol:
So yeah, if it's been sitting, how long is safe? Should I mix if 50/50 or something crazy like that?
hmmmm.... as long as its full and has been sealed, it should be fine. dunno if i would pump from the bottom though... thats where all the crap would collect.
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There are a few things to look for: water & crud at bottom, slime or cloudiness from algae (or is it a bacteria?) and evaporation of the lighter components.
google on fuel storage, diesel cleaning, diesel scrubbing. You will find stuff coming from boaters and survivalists, both of whom tend to store fuel. And you will find miracle addititives galor to 'fix' old fuel.
If it was me, I'd put some into glass jars from various levels in the tank and see what it looked like and how it compared to fresh fuel. I'd use it in my car unless it looked contaminated. I'd mix with new fule if it didnt run as well on the old stuff. My car is a beater though. before I used it in something expensive, I might send a sample for testing.
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Just be careful Jeff, furnace oil might contain a little bit more moisture than pumped diesel. Also I hope your not thinking of running this in your Jetta. So what I'm getting at is, it will run but you might see differences in your idling, consumption and also smoke trails. Make sure you use the Stanadyne for lube cause the furnace oil doen't have the same lubrication properties as diesel (which Im sure you know). Anyways Jeff your a smart guy, Im pretty sure you'll be able to figure it out. And if you really want some good info call Giles!!! I'll tell everything you need to know.
Cheers,
Simon