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General Information => General => Topic started by: theman53 on March 24, 2014, 06:11:39 am
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Just a thought, and I see no reason why it shouldn't work.
http://www.minds.com/blog/view/257176092094238720/how-to-beat-a-photo-enforced-speeding-ticket-or-red-light-ticket
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I like the top comment
Bottom line is let's have some integrity or did they not teach that in the Army. I know they did in the Air Force. If you were speeding and you know you were driving at the time then pay the ticket.
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I like the top comment
Bottom line is let's have some integrity or did they not teach that in the Army. I know they did in the Air Force. If you were speeding and you know you were driving at the time then pay the ticket.
i will not be subservient to a computer sitting along the road.
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Integrity is one thing, but I think in any case a crime should have a victim. In certain traffic violations where there is no victim, I then think there is no crime.
One posted on here earlier something like "speed kills...your wallet."
That said, the funny thing is I usually obey traffic laws to the T
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We have an unalienable right to make use of PUBLIC roads without fee for use.
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One posted on here earlier something like "speed kills...your wallet."
I think that was me actually.
While I disagree with many of the current speed limits, I understand that they are law and I have the choice to obey or disobey them. If I choose to disobey them and am caught then I would not see it being fair to fight such a ticket and waste peoples (tax payers) money. The government is inefficient enough, it doesn't need my help.
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i will not be subservient to a computer sitting along the road.
I have a hard enough time with 'real' authority, let alone a friggin camera.
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Integrity is one thing, but I think in any case a crime should have a victim.
Nailed it. But we all know that government is about profit, not liberty or justice.
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One posted on here earlier something like "speed kills...your wallet."
I think that was me actually.
While I disagree with many of the current speed limits, I understand that they are law and I have the choice to obey or disobey them. If I choose to disobey them and am caught then I would not see it being fair to fight such a ticket and waste peoples (tax payers) money. The government is inefficient enough, it doesn't need my help.
I agree here too, but I think it is a waste to have the camera in the first place. Keep them from implementing it in other places if they see it is a bad idea.
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to be fair though, speed laws are there to keep roads safe and prevent there from ever being a victim in the first place, the only example i can think of would be attempted homicide, there really is no victim just a potential victim.
how ever i completely disagree with traffic cameras that issue automated tickets.
i do still agree with this "Integrity is one thing, but I think in any case a crime should have a victim."
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25% error rate? buncha crooks.
Baltimore's particular speed camera problem first came to light in 2012, when the Baltimore Sun revealed that at least seven of the city's 83 radar cameras, all of them owned and operated by Xerox State and Local Solutions, were prone to issuing fines to drivers who were not exceeding the speed limit. Xerox itself claimed it found only five cameras that didn't work, and shut them down. The city, meanwhile, downplayed the problem even further, claiming the error rate for Xerox speed cameras was "one-quarter of one percent." In short: Nothing to see here!
Xerox's contract with Baltimore ended in 2012, but the deal is making headlines again thanks to a recent audit showing the company's cameras performed worse than even the Sun realized. The big takeaway? That error rate of "one-quarter of one percent"—promoted by city officials!—was actually upwards of 10 percent; 26 percent of issued citations were "questionable."
The Sun, which first reported on the leaked audit last month, explains the ramifications: "The city issued roughly 700,000 speed camera tickets at $40 each in fiscal year 2012. If 10 percent were wrong, 70,000 would have wrongly been charged $2.8 million." And that's the low-end projection for how much Baltimore and Xerox may have bilked from citizens.
But wait, it gets worse. The administration has also refused a request from the city council to officially release the audit, conducted by URS Corp. at a cost of $278,000, because doing so would violate a contract with Xerox that prohibits Baltimore from "referring or relating to, or reflecting, each party's internal considerations, discussions, analyses, and/or evaluations of issues raised during the settlement discussions."
Baltimore's speed camera fiasco does at least have something resembling a silver lining. In December 2013, the city announced it would no longer engage in revenue sharing with traffic camera vendors—a practice that Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley has decried as a "bounty" system. While Xerox got a cut of each fine its cameras issued, the decision actually resulted from problem cameras owned and operated by Brekford, the company Baltimore brought in to replace Xerox.
But Maryland legislators aren't content to see Baltimore simply abandon the bounty system (which is supposedly illegal under state law anyway). They want to completely flip the incentives for camera operators: instead of paying companies for each citation they issue, pending legislation would require operators to be fined $1,000 every time they issue a citation in error. "This gives the vendors great incentive to make sure that they have done their homework," says Baltimore County Delegate Jon Cardin, the bill's sponsor.
You'd have to build a fine like that into any vendor contract, which could scare away companies (Xerox, Brekford) that have histories of fleecing drivers. A flat fee to vendors combined with penalties for faulty citations might even mean cities would be unable to find a company to operate speed cameras. Considering that traffic cameras are mostly for revenue generation (despite promising that the Xerox contract would reduce speeding in Baltimore, the annual haul from the cameras increased every year), that probably wouldn't be a bad thing. But insofar as there's a case for speed cameras, eradicating the incentive to wrongly ticket good drivers should clearly be part of it.
more examples;http://www.fireredflex.com/cameras.html
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Speed limits are for revenue only. If you've ever driven across the country you would know this. So many random small communities that have speed traps for no reason. The speed will go from 70 to 55 in a mile for absolutely no apparent reason and joe cop is always set up right on the line. I posted a video awhile back about how people will naturally drive safely at an efficient flow regardless of posted speed limits. There will always be unsafe drivers who will wrap there car around a tree a speeding ticket wont teach them anything. The justice system is builf on a nption that every member of society is a potential criminal and that there is money to be made. Hence so many private prisons in the us.
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Some suggest that actual accident statistics suggest that speed is rarely a factor (outside of obvious 'unsafe speed for the road conditions' situations).
At any rate, whether or not you can fight a camera ticket is largely a matter of state/province and local law.
in Utah they were found unconstitutional and removed from the roads.
in Arizona they technically do not carry the force of law unless handed to you by a law enforcement officer, but whether or not you get in some legal trouble over it is a matter of some greater complexity.
I don't know about other regions.
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under common law police officers don't have the right to make any legal determinations they are not BAR certified. All a ticket is.. is a Summons and complaint.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NwXXRkpYEI
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a gentleman recently beat a camera ticket... he stated" I have a right to face my accuser in court". The camera cant speak
he also asked for the camera records of service and calibration.
the courts ruled in his favor..
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Yes exactly. Many cases like that.
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a gentleman recently beat a camera ticket... he stated" I have a right to face my accuser in court". The camera cant speak
I don't understand how this holds water. What good are security cameras then?
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a gentleman recently beat a camera ticket... he stated" I have a right to face my accuser in court". The camera cant speak
I don't understand how this holds water. What good are security cameras then?
security camera is only good if you can some how identify the perpetrator. Just cause it's your car doesn't mean it was you, and you can't ask the speed camera in court, hey did you definitely see me driving before you snapped the picture where you can't see me driving.
not that this is fully relevant:
there used to be this old man who needed a hobby that lived next to my highschool, every day when school let out he would sit at the traffic light where you left the school parking lot from and watch for any kids that would rev their engines or pulled out too fast and write down their license plates and call the cops... i don't know anyone who ever got a ticket from when he did that.
anyway, there was 2-3 times my senior year of school when he falsely accused people of doing burn outs and donuts in the school parking lot because of 2 people having similar vehicles. a friend of mine had a maroon diesel rabbit, and i had a red one both 4 doors, one day it had snowed and he was pulling his ebrake and doing donuts, by my senior year the school had left that douche start working as the parking lot monitor, he saw my friend sliding around, and then after everyone went in for school he walked around until he saw what he thought was the car doing donuts, so i got in trouble for it and lost my parking permit. i didn't make a fuss though because i had been doing donuts as well, i just hadn't been caught haha, i did it before anyone else was there, and also my friend then picked me up from a parking lot down the road and drove me up to school.
another time a girl i went to school with was dating a guy who didn't go to our school but he drove a red 96-99 mustang gt, her boyfriend did a burn out in the parking lot, then my friend with a 95 mustang gt got an actual citation for doing a burn out, funny enough my friend had stayed late at school working on a project that day so he had teachers verify his alibi, and fought it in court and won.
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Around here when they did photo radar it was manned by an officer who sat in the radar van. The officer would be the one to show up in court to accompany the photos and even video footage of the vehicle driving in excess of the 85th percentile speed wise (they only went after the top 15% of speeders, so even if you were over the limit you probably weren't getting a ticket unless everyone else was driving at the limit). After a few years though they scrapped the program during a government change. A law was passed at the same time banning photo radar.
Likewise for the red light cameras an officer reviews the photos and discards any that he/she doesn't believe clearly show the vehicle in question running a red. If the plate is obstructed, if there are other vehicles blocking views, etc then they toss them out before issuing a ticket. The system shoots multiple frames as well, showing the vehicle crossing the stop line and proceeding in to the intersection. If there is a court challenge the officer brings the photos along and testifies as to what is shown in the photos. Thankfully around here the red light cameras aren't set up as revenue generators - they are run by our provincial insurance corporation. While they obviously do generate revenue they are placed at intersections where ICBC has paid out substantial dollars in claims due to vehicles running red lights. They are used as a tool to reduce insurance payouts rather than to generate revenue for the city. That mandate helps reduce some of the corrupt practices I see referenced in the states where cities shorten up their yellow light times to increase the number of tickets issued for instance. One insurance payout due to an accident can easily exceed 1,000 red light tickets.
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there was also 1 kid who had already graduated, he had a black single cab short bed dodge dakota with a v8 and a 5 speed and dakota rt wheels, one night he came back to school and left a bunch of donut tire marks on a large side walk. One of my friends drove a black dodge dakota rt extended cab and they were trying to get him in trouble for doing the donuts until he pointed out the difference in the trucks.
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a gentleman recently beat a camera ticket... he stated" I have a right to face my accuser in court". The camera cant speak
I don't understand how this holds water. What good are security cameras then?
It gets dicey.
Down in Arizona, for a while they were deputizing employees of the camera company and had them sit in a van on the side of the road 'operating' the camera.
Until someone yanked one out of his van and shot him.
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No front plate, tailgate down and you cant see from overhead camera
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