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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Gizmoman on January 06, 2014, 06:30:29 am
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This is my fourth attempt to fix my leaky valve cover >:( Looking for a new gasket. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's an oil leak.
Mine was brand new but on my third attempt, I noticed a small crack in the corner where the rubber goes over the front cam bearing. I cleaned it with acetone and squirted in a bit of sealant, then gooped it up (both sides), let it set up a bit ,and then did a final tightening - better, but still leaks a bit.
I also noticed that it has to stretch over the cam bearing quite a bit and gets thinner as I tighten it. I think it's just not a quality gasket and may be thinner than it should be in general. I think mine was a Fel-pro but I'm not positive.
I believe there is possibly a better manufacturer and if someone could post a recommendation, I'd appreciate it.
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My Goetze was nice, but i don't immediately see one for sale in the US...but I did find this;
Analogous \ Similar Parts of GOETZE 24-27921-00/0 (2427921000)
Manufacturer Number Description
AJUSA 11059400 Gasket, rocker cover
AJUSA 56006400 Gasket Set, rocker cover
AUDI 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
AUTOMEGA 301030483028G Gasket, rocker cover
BGA RC1343 Gasket, rocker cover
BGA RK6363 Gasket Set, rocker cover
CORTECO 023988P Gasket, rocker cover
ELRING 470.280 Gasket Set, rocker cover
ELRING 619.771 Gasket, rocker cover
ELWIS ROYAL 1556023 Gasket, rocker cover
ELWIS ROYAL 9156023 Gasket Set, rocker cover
FAI AUTOPARTS RC537S Gasket, rocker cover
FEBI BILSTEIN 15186 Gasket, rocker cover
FEBI BILSTEIN 15192 Gasket Set, rocker cover
FEBI BILSTEIN 15194 Gasket Set, rocker cover
GLASER 53270 Gasket, rocker cover
GLASER V32231 Gasket Set, rocker cover
GLASER V32231-00 Gasket Set, rocker cover
GLASER X5327000 Gasket, rocker cover
GLASER X5327001 Gasket, rocker cover
GOETZE 50-027921-00 Gasket, rocker cover
HAVAM PX0791 Gasket, rocker cover
JP GROUP 103048013 Gasket, rocker cover
JP GROUP 1119200400 Laying klapanno ї krishki
MALO 15186 Rubber Buffer, suspension
MAXGEAR 70-0033 Gasket, rocker cover
OE 028103483G Gasket, rocker cover
OE 028103483GS Gasket Set, rocker cover
OE 028103483GS1 Gasket Set, rocker cover
OE 95VW6584BA Gasket, rocker cover
OE V3223100 Gasket Set, rocker cover
OE X5327000 Gasket, rocker cover
OE X5327001 Gasket, rocker cover
OSTROJEKA OSR703125700 Filia OSTROJEKA
PAYEN HM5367 Gasket Set, rocker cover
PAYEN JP003 Gasket, rocker cover
REINZ 15-31257-01 Gasket Set, rocker cover
REINZ 713125700 Laying klapannoj covers
SEAT 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
SKODA 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
SPESSO 41178/3200 Gasket, rocker cover
SWAG 32 91 5186 Gasket, rocker cover
SWAG 32 91 5190 Seal Ring, cylinder head cover bolt
SWAG 32 91 5194 Gasket Set, rocker cover
TOPRAN 100 288 Gasket, rocker cover
TRISCAN 515-8596 Gasket Set, rocker cover
TRUCKTEC AUTOMOTIVE 07.10.017 Gasket, rocker cover
VAG 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
VAG 3X028103533 Gasket Set, rocker cover
VOLKSWAGEN 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
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I used a Beck Arnley or whatever it is off amazon awhile ago that seems OK.
Think I actually got one from Porthe that was alright too, go figure.
Weren't a lot of readily available options in the US last I looked.
They seem to leak bout as bad as the old perimeter bolt ones did anyway.
I think I ended up with very careful application of high torque grey RTV that finally
stopped mine.
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My Goetze was nice, but i don't immediately see one for sale in the US...but I did find this;
Analogous \ Similar Parts of GOETZE 24-27921-00/0 (2427921000)
Manufacturer Number Description
AJUSA 11059400 Gasket, rocker cover
AJUSA 56006400 Gasket Set, rocker cover
AUDI 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
AUTOMEGA 301030483028G Gasket, rocker cover
BGA RC1343 Gasket, rocker cover
BGA RK6363 Gasket Set, rocker cover
CORTECO 023988P Gasket, rocker cover
ELRING 470.280 Gasket Set, rocker cover
ELRING 619.771 Gasket, rocker cover
ELWIS ROYAL 1556023 Gasket, rocker cover
ELWIS ROYAL 9156023 Gasket Set, rocker cover
FAI AUTOPARTS RC537S Gasket, rocker cover
FEBI BILSTEIN 15186 Gasket, rocker cover
FEBI BILSTEIN 15192 Gasket Set, rocker cover
FEBI BILSTEIN 15194 Gasket Set, rocker cover
GLASER 53270 Gasket, rocker cover
GLASER V32231 Gasket Set, rocker cover
GLASER V32231-00 Gasket Set, rocker cover
GLASER X5327000 Gasket, rocker cover
GLASER X5327001 Gasket, rocker cover
GOETZE 50-027921-00 Gasket, rocker cover
HAVAM PX0791 Gasket, rocker cover
JP GROUP 103048013 Gasket, rocker cover
JP GROUP 1119200400 Laying klapanno ї krishki
MALO 15186 Rubber Buffer, suspension
MAXGEAR 70-0033 Gasket, rocker cover
OE 028103483G Gasket, rocker cover
OE 028103483GS Gasket Set, rocker cover
OE 028103483GS1 Gasket Set, rocker cover
OE 95VW6584BA Gasket, rocker cover
OE V3223100 Gasket Set, rocker cover
OE X5327000 Gasket, rocker cover
OE X5327001 Gasket, rocker cover
OSTROJEKA OSR703125700 Filia OSTROJEKA
PAYEN HM5367 Gasket Set, rocker cover
PAYEN JP003 Gasket, rocker cover
REINZ 15-31257-01 Gasket Set, rocker cover
REINZ 713125700 Laying klapannoj covers
SEAT 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
SKODA 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
SPESSO 41178/3200 Gasket, rocker cover
SWAG 32 91 5186 Gasket, rocker cover
SWAG 32 91 5190 Seal Ring, cylinder head cover bolt
SWAG 32 91 5194 Gasket Set, rocker cover
TOPRAN 100 288 Gasket, rocker cover
TRISCAN 515-8596 Gasket Set, rocker cover
TRUCKTEC AUTOMOTIVE 07.10.017 Gasket, rocker cover
VAG 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
VAG 3X028103533 Gasket Set, rocker cover
VOLKSWAGEN 028103483G Gasket Set, rocker cover
WOW, nothing like choice overload ;D
Thanks. Wish I had dimensions on the thickness of the different brands. I'll bet there are maybe two or three manufacturers in the world (if that).
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I'd say you should be able to get elring or reinz through any major distributor, and I'd expect either to be about as good as OEM.
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Note that more than a few vendors are messed up on the AAZ vs TDI gasket.
If you google 028103483G it's a TDI gasket. Don't trust the number, look at the part too.
Beck Arnley 036-1658 is correct, rock auto had them too.
068129713F I believe is the AAZ VW PN.
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Thanks Wolf, I noticed that as well.
The TDI gasket has one straight side and one wavy side. The AAZ gasket is straight on both sides. I ordered a Beck Arnley from Parts Geek - hope it fits better than the one I have now.
Seriously, I'm tempted to modify the cover somehow so it will hold 1/4" O-ring material. I hate using silicone on something I may want to remove periodically.
The 50 degree tilt of the engine seems to be a bit much for the current seal design. It's possible the three cone shaped indentations have been pressed in too far from over-zealous tightening and the edge is no longer clamping down as tight as it should. Maybe I could make a simple "tool & die" and push it back out from the inside using an arbor press.
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I had to clearance something on the hold own bolts or studs or something on mine, it was bottoming out
even with new center rubber and not really tightening. Been awhile. So far I had better luck with the old
stamped perimeter bolt cover using the rubber ABA gasket than this new center style. Reminds me of
chevy v8's..
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Just an update. . .
After many attempts to fix my leaky valve cover (tried permatex Ultra Grey, first a few dabs, then the entire lower side) I finally guessed the thing had simply been tightened too tight and lost the height relationship between the cone washers and the flange.
I made a wooden flange cradle and turned a steel die out of round stock to match the 45* bevel of the cones.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-poXZyzX6r8c/UtHV7RKfQoI/AAAAAAAACYk/xm3ynxG1XaI/w975-h731-no/DSC00797.JPG)
Then I measured the before and after distance from the tool to the table surface. . .
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NkAkTrRttN4/UtHWxPbKy7I/AAAAAAAACaY/1w-CjS1ONvg/w975-h731-no/DSC00795.JPG)
Put it under the arbor press a few times till I could feel it "give" a bit.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NdAkH7aVr38/UtHWxvVesiI/AAAAAAAACag/JHD0BQKxx3A/w975-h731-no/DSC00794.JPG)
Did that for all three holes and ended up moving the conical surface about .05" for each hole. Now when I install it, all the force goes directly to the perimeter flange first before it hits the rubber cone washers on the studs - yeah!
BTW, I used a new Beck/Arnley gasket 036-1658. Well packaged, and arrived in four days (un-bent) from Parts Geek
I still put a dab of silicone in the corners of the front cam bearing - one dab in each corner under the gasket, and a dab on each rounded corner of the cover. I also cut two tiny pins from SS rod and inserted them into the two rubber nipples (into the tiny holes). This made them stiffer and held the seal onto the head much better - nothin' like hard nipples!
Bottom line - no more leaky valve cover!!! And I didn't have to goop it up so I can take it off when I want without all the hassle.
For anyone who wants to know, before I "adjusted" the cover - the depth from the topmost edge of the cone (at the stud holes) to a flat surface (that the cover is resting on) was typically 1.75". All three now measure around 1.85 or so.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YhWvvIpKw8s/UtHWvjKfaTI/AAAAAAAACaA/rpDhFKGhKSQ/w975-h731-no/DSC00799.JPG)
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Probly same problem with mine, I was less fancy and used washers to give it more thread to tighten down on before bottoming.
Awesome fixin though. Stamped valve covers suck.
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Yeah, washers would do the same pretty much. I get a kick out doing stuff like this though - sometimes the ideas work, sometimes I wreck stuff.
I spoze a guy could use the end of a sawed off broom handle (the round end) and a hammer on the lawn (if it wasn't frozed). ;D