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General Information => Troubleshooting => Topic started by: redscare on December 28, 2013, 04:32:36 pm

Title: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: redscare on December 28, 2013, 04:32:36 pm
Hi, I just wanted a second opinion in case I did something wrong. 
I am trying to bolt up the transmission with the engine out of the car.
engine is 1.6d, trans is a new to the car, but a ff 020

I think I have the clutch disc on right, but maybe a second set of eyes cant hurt.

The transmission will not sit flush on the bottom dowel pin.  It sits flat on the top and I can thread in the tops 2 engine bolts, as well as the lower bolt near the axle flange.

But the trans sits about an 1/8" off the block on the front dowel pin.
Any suggestions other than tighten everything down and hope for the best?
here is the setup
(http://imageshack.us/a/img600/9086/4ldc.jpg)
It will not sit 100% flush on this pin. binding somewhere.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/5269/3u59.jpg)


I found this image from Broke vw, my dimensions match.
(http://www.brokevw.com/pic%20380s.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: 8v-of-fury! on December 28, 2013, 04:51:06 pm
Is it sliding in to the splines in the clutch disk properly? Is the main-shaft of the transmission bent?

If you remove the Flywheel and Disk, will it go on properly then?
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: redscare on December 28, 2013, 05:15:13 pm
I will try it without the flywheel and clutch. The spline doesnt appear bent and I checked the clutch disc on the transmission before I put it together.  Almost done. Just one more little hurdle.
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: 745 turbogreasel on December 28, 2013, 05:25:46 pm
Don't force it.
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: burn_your_money on December 28, 2013, 06:30:41 pm
If you pull the dowel out of the engine will it sit flush?
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: theman53 on December 28, 2013, 06:57:09 pm
Did you use a clutch alignment tool if you had the pp off?
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: 8v-of-fury! on December 28, 2013, 07:25:41 pm
As long as it is centered, it is aligned.
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: ORCoaster on December 28, 2013, 08:14:11 pm
Is the clutch turned around 180 degrees.  I got in a hurry once on a Subaru and ended up getting close like you say and when I started to tighten it down I cracked the housing so go easy on it.  That was one expensive clutch job for me.  I needed it to be towed, welded on and they shop pretty much did the rest for a few bucks.  They made their money on the rest apparently.

Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: 8v-of-fury! on December 28, 2013, 08:30:23 pm
Looks like it is on right. Do you mean disk? or flywheel?
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: ORCoaster on December 28, 2013, 08:35:30 pm
Disc.  Flywheel is correct.  That only goes on one way.  The disc could be flipped front to back and they splines would go in but hit on the front of the shaft if the disc is backwards.  Follow?
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: 8v-of-fury! on December 28, 2013, 08:40:43 pm
I do, previous post saying "Looks like it is on right" I was referring to the clutch disk.
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: redscare on December 29, 2013, 03:02:34 pm
Well the transmission is on. Thank you for the input.  I tried it without the flywheel and it went on ok.  Tried it without the clutch disc and it was ok.  Then tried it again with the flywheel lightly torqued.  After 10 attempts, I think I'm good.  Everything spins freely and axle cups turn over when I select a gear.
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: burn_your_money on December 29, 2013, 03:18:34 pm
Good to hear you got it sorted. It sounds like it was a clutch alignment issue?

You have the flywheel properly torqued right?
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: redscare on December 30, 2013, 09:33:11 pm
Yes flywheel torqued to 15 ft lbs per the bentley.  I think the disc was slightly off center, even though I used the alignment tool.   ???  

Engine is in the car, just doing the cooling system and wiring.  
Will be nice to drive the car again, especially with a 5 speed.
65 mph was 3600 rpm before.
should be 2600 rpm after.
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: 8v-of-fury! on December 30, 2013, 09:38:18 pm
The clutch alignment tool doesn't really work.

I find it does not actually center it! lol There is quite a bit of play on either side of the tool, and as you found out.. it didn't center it properly.
Title: Re: Assembling engine and transmission: Will not sit flush
Post by: redscare on April 16, 2014, 10:25:51 pm
To update an old thread...
The tin separating the engine and trans was a bit bent and in the way.  Made installing it harder than normal.
On a positive note, it has been running like a champ for 4 months now.
Turbo and a 5 speed are awesome upgrades to anyone pondering the idea.
Thanks to all who helped.