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General Information => General => Topic started by: casanis on October 04, 2013, 11:21:08 am
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Would like to get my hands on some 5W30 Conventional Diesel rated oil for my upcoming break-in. The FAQ/How-To says 5W30 gasser rated is okay to use, but I would prefer the diesel rated stuff if I can find it.
FAQ in Question:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=33755.0
I've checked the local Can Tire, Napa, PartSource and Princess Auto...no luck ??? Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Should I just stick with gasser 5W30 if all else fails?
Cheers,
Adam.
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Personally I think that guy doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground, so no I wouldn't use a non diesel rated oil in a diesel. use Rotella T 10w-30 NON synthetic or BRAD PENN 10w-30 diesel rated
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This is post about a JD tractor diesel engine rebuild - regarding break in oils. ( from Bob the Oil Guy)
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=538495
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This is post about a JD tractor diesel engine rebuild - regarding break in oils. ( from Bob the Oil Guy)
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=538495
Important
Do not use PLUS-50 oil or engine oils meeting API CH-4, API CG4, API CF4, ACEA E3, or ACEA E2 performance levels during the first 100 hours of operation of a new or rebuilt engine. These oils will not allow the engine to break-in properly.
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Personally I think that guy doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground, so no I wouldn't use a non diesel rated oil in a diesel. use Rotella T 10w-30 NON synthetic or BRAD PENN 10w-30 diesel rated
Agree.
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What is wrong with the crappy tire 10w30 conventional? $20 for 5L
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Can Tire 10W-30 it is! Thanks for the input everyone...
My first rebuild is coming along well. Taking my time, and learning a lot along the way.
I'm wondering - are the tips in the thread (found in the FAQ RE: Break-In process) advisable? Any input/thought would be most appreciated.
Adam.
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Personally I think that guy doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground
im not even going to get caught up in how you feel about me
Agree.
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Would like to get my hands on some 5W30 Conventional Diesel rated oil for my upcoming break-in. The FAQ/How-To says 5W30 gasser rated is okay to use, but I would prefer the diesel rated stuff if I can find it.
I've checked the local Can Tire, Napa, PartSource and Princess Auto...no luck ??? Any thoughts would be most appreciated. Should I just stick with gasser 5W30 if all else fails?
Cheers,
Adam.
if your looking for diesel rated oils one place to try is a diesel service center; not an auto part store.
your not going to find nearly as much in an auto parts store, you'll find rotella(conv&syn)(which I don't really like), and synthetic, usually mobil 1.
personally I like to stay away from 5w-40(syn) unless its specifically called for by mfg.
What is wrong with the crappy tire 10w30 conventional? $20 for 5L
Can Tire 10W-30 it is! Thanks for the input everyone...
My first rebuild is coming along well. Taking my time, and learning a lot along the way.
I'm wondering - are the tips in the thread (found in the FAQ RE: Break-In process) advisable? Any input/thought would be most appreciated.
Adam.
?why use some crappy oil for the important break-in period?, you'll definitely get a 'wear pattern'.
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Uhhh cause it is recommended to break in on a conventional oil? What makes it crappy oil? Millions use it.. musnt be too bad.
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cause for 1 reason you said this:
What is wrong with the crappy tire 10w30 conventional? $20 for 5L
for another reason I have never even heard of this store, and you also said this
What is wrong with the crappy tire 10w30 conventional? $20 for 5L
lol
im skeptical of this oil, and I don't trust most store brand oils.
oh yea, of course I know you need conv oil for break-in, its my article.
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I didn't figure you would have heard of it being American.. Canadian Tire.. its a big store, nation wide. They've had their own oil product brands for nearly 75 years.
Can you guess who makes their oil for them? Can you? The same people who make the big expensive name brand oils everyone else is always going on about.
"Big Oil" Being; BP plc, Chevron Corporation, ExxonMobil Corporation, Royal Dutch Shell plc and Total SA, with ConocoPhillips Company as well.
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I like your candor,hawhaw
in America you can tell who makes oil in the fine print, it should be on the bottom of the bottle, this does not include additives that change from one business to another with the same base oil and a different store name.
I don't know if you have this same 'law' up there.
the base is the same from one mfg, but the add-ons usually change from one business to another making it hard to know what your really getting.
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Ah for sure, for sure. I totally agree, however this is their basic cheapest bottle of oil offered. 10w30 diesel conv.
It meets all the needed API; CD, CF-4, CG-4, CH-4, CI-4 and CI-4plus.
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Guys, before you get all over the poster in the original link, make sure you understand the difference between a "conventional" oil and a gasser oil. air-cooled or diesel never recommended gasser oil in his FAQ. He clearly says "CJ/CH" which is a "conventional" or mineral based oil BUT is a diesel oil. Gasser oil is SJ/SH and would not be recommended because it doesn't hold the diesel "soot" in suspension and flush it out.
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Ah for sure, for sure. I totally agree, however this is their basic cheapest bottle of oil offered. 10w30 diesel conv.
It meets all the needed API; CD, CF-4, CG-4, CH-4, CI-4 and CI-4plus.
Haven't enquired at CTC (Canadian Tire Corportaion -for all you Yanks :))customer service for a while, but the last time I did, the store branded diesel oil was made by Shell.
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Right. When I originally recommended the Canadian Tire Motomaster 10w30 conventional oil.. I was under the implication that the op knew he needed a diesel oil for hisbdiesel engine.
The 10w30 conventional I speak of is diesel rated..
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Gasser oil is SJ/SH and would not be recommended because it doesn't hold the diesel "soot" in suspension and flush it out.
guys all im trying to say, at that point, I prefer 5w30 for break-in period not more than 100 miles+the 20-40 min before, as far as selection (rating) i personally can find diesel grade easy now, but I like 5-30 for that short window, even to using for mins+30-40miles.but 100 miles; wont hurt much..first did it in a hi-breed 2.26h-ogas(2overheadcams2sohc)
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Ahh I see what you say now. Yeah that should work fine, and is wayyy cheappper.
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personally im of the opinion, at this point(of running cycle), 25 miles at various speeds , 45mph max, 25 is minimum. will comment further., I got 1 separate, advanced explanation (separate posting)coming
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its just after cam break-in/run-in, your too close to run 25+miles on 1 change. so run 35-40 miles on this oil change, and 100-250 oil change can be adjusted.10w-30 for 100-150 miles, for 250 break-in , can be inceased.(10w-30prefered).(keep revs up![minrevs])
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I agree. However diesel 10w30 conventional can be had cheap for us anyway so really it is no issue.
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I said 100 miles to start, (will edit), cause of break-in period, and a good 5w-30 you can run at rpm, but 25 is min mileage, and 35-40 should get the job done,
@25-30 miles move top speed up to 50mph, for a few miles.