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General Information => General => Topic started by: homerj1 on August 19, 2013, 08:37:49 am
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Hey folks,
Sort of ran across a 82 Sirocco possibly cheap. Was wondering if the 5 speed trans would bolt into my mk1 jetta 1.6td so I could nuke the auto trans?
How much of the drivetain and other pieces are transferable into my Mk1 with the 1.6td
thanks
Aivars
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Hey folks,
Sort of ran across a 82 Sirocco possibly cheap. Was wondering if the 5 speed trans would bolt into my mk1 jetta 1.6td so I could nuke the auto trans?
How much of the drivetain and other pieces are transferable into my Mk1 with the 1.6td.
The same seller has an 82 Rabbit gas engine with a 4 speed. - I suspect everything other then body parts would fit my mk1?
thanks
Aivars
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both mk1... BUT stuff is not bolt direct fit..
tranny, mounts, axles yep same.. rack can swap no prob, shift linkage works.. the shifter its self has a bend to it though..
the hardest part is the pedals.. german vs westy bunny are different.. the brake booster, master and pedals are a match set.. westy bunny then german roccco/jetta/cabby are how they go... if your booster and master are good.. a westy 81-84 pedal set makes the swap easy... if you have never replaced themaster i suggest going german set up as replacement westy masters tend to leak.. with no cure but to change to german stuff..
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both mk1... BUT stuff is not bolt direct fit..
tranny, mounts, axles yep same.. rack can swap no prob, shift linkage works.. the shifter its self has a bend to it though..
Just to clarify,
82 scirocco trans\axles mounts will bolt in with out mods.
Pedals maybe?
How much of the 82 Rabbit gasser with 4 speed will fit my mk1 Jetta? I'm assuming everything chassis-wise except for body stuff??
I can probably buy both for $300. Although to be fair, the Rabbit is in pieces, no floor, engine dissembled etc. I'm really looking to strip both and use the parts on my 84 Jetta.
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5-speed better...
but westy bunny pedals direct fit if thats what in car... you have to look at how the master bolts to the booster... westy really wide... german not...
that makes the booster different.. and how it attaches to pedal is too.. so those 3 parts gotta match...
tranny, racks direct bolt in fit...
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what do westy parts have to do with it? everything u need should be on the scirocco(except the throttle cable), too bad ud be killing a scirocco :'( :'( :'( especially an 82. i always liked my automatic diesel.
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westy pedals, brake booster, master different then german.. gotta swap all 3 pieces to keep them matched... you cannot mix/match those items.. i highly suggest going german... as westy masters replacements suck as the rubber gromment to hold the bottle in place suck and leak... bigger od then stock.. and the little bottle nipple do not keep them from seeping fluid between master and gromment..
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no one said anything about westy? jetta and scirocco are both german.
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what do westy parts have to do with it? everything u need should be on the scirocco(except the throttle cable), too bad ud be killing a scirocco :'( :'( :'( especially an 82. i always liked my automatic diesel.
Not sure if this will pan out, I can't keep the scirocco & I think it is a bit beat and rusty?
I like the automatic as it works great, but just found on the highway the revs were too high - and I had some starter issues on the way home - so that sort of freaked me out - as I just about got stuck with a no start situation 12 hrs from home. :o
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was thinking it was goofy auto bunny.. seen ire of them then jettas.. but still.. you gotta look to see if anyone has ever "updated/upgraded/botched the job in the past.. pedals and boosters do break/fail... and junk yards sell things...
all i can say is no way id road trip a auto diesel.. just not meant for substained 65mph speed IMO.. around town.. hr from home.. sure.. but they just feel too wound up at 65 fo rmy likes..
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was thinking it was goofy auto bunny.. seen ire of them then jettas.. but still.. you gotta look to see if anyone has ever "updated/upgraded/botched the job in the past.. pedals and boosters do break/fail... and junk yards sell things...
all i can say is no way id road trip a auto diesel.. just not meant for substained 65mph speed IMO.. around town.. hr from home.. sure.. but they just feel too wound up at 65 fo rmy likes..
I was driving 120 kph ( abt 72 mph) and it was just humming, a few times during short stretches up to 130 -140 kph and still had some pedal left to go - I just didn't want to scatter anything or get a ticket.
Even at 120 kph, I was getting low 40's mpg ( Canuck gallons of course).
To be honest, for a 29 year old car, I was impressed. ;D
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yeah autos do suck on the highway, auto diesel makes a great commuter car tho, i wish i still had mine.
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5-speed better...
but westy bunny pedals direct fit if thats what in car... you have to look at how the master bolts to the booster... westy really wide... german not...
that makes the booster different.. and how it attaches to pedal is too.. so those 3 parts gotta match...
tranny, racks direct bolt in fit...
Checked out the scirroco, it is a 82 8v 5speed.
Body is beat
So as you suggested since it is german made (vs US bunny) everything ( trans, pedals and axles) will bolt up to my 84 Jetta.
I won't have to change the steer column or brake master\booster as the pedals will bolt bolt onto my existing steering column and mate with my mastercyl& booster?
Am I right?
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make sure they look same,, how bolts to master.. and if same yep bolt rigt in...
you need a 13mm wivel type of snap on socket.. 3 nuts between booster and firewall hold the pedals in.. very tight tolerance... the center tube is ceremaic like.. crack it you will have vac leak.. booster junk at that point... worst part of the job... besides the stupic spring clip on the column... you will hate that...
i suggest reinforcing the clutch cable tube and its cheezy bracket.. they bend/break off.. do that now.. will never be a issue.. look at the spot welds.. i bet they cracked...
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i suggest reinforcing the clutch cable tube and its cheezy bracket.. they bend/break off.. do that now.. will never be a issue.. look at the spot welds.. i bet they cracked...
Best advice ever...I had to take the column out of the flat red bunny to do this exact thing.
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I've postponed this late enough.
Just to confirm, will this clutch assembly (82 Scirocco 8v) fit my 1.6td?
From what I can see, it has a diff. size flywheel as a 1.6td?
thanks
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yep smaller, 180 or 190mm clutch.. diesel = 200mm stock...
you can run the disk of the gasser in the diesel flywheel too.. just not other way round.. flywheel had to have max disk od machied in it..
other then that same flywheel..
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yep smaller, 180 or 190mm clutch.. diesel = 200mm stock...
you can run the disk of the gasser in the diesel flywheel too.. just not other way round.. flywheel had to have max disk od machied in it..
other then that same flywheel..
Ok,
so the scirocco flywheel and disc and stuff will work - but they in smaller in size ( the disc)
When I do the above change over, I should look for a 1.6td flywheel & buy a new 1.6td clutch kit ( will a 1.9td fit? - I have a few of those).
Otherwise I suspect the smaller clutch won't last as long during "spirited driving" ;)
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yeah 1.9td is biggest that would be good. the stock clutches like to slip once you increase boost and fueling
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210mm is biggest 020 clutch... so gasser 1.8/2.0
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210mm is biggest 020 clutch... so gasser 1.8/2.0
thats what aaz has
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some aaz have a 02a with goofy sized non 228mm clurtch too though... smaller then 228 but bigger then 210...
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I do believe all AAZ's were 020. The G60 and 1Z/AHU TDI were the only mk3's to get the 02A.
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Does he have either of those? ;) AAZ were rare in the passat. 93-95. 96 they got the 1Z.
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lucas got one on a aaz he picked up........... so can it happen yes... so i stated 020 to eliminate all silly options....
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Thanks for all the support & advice.
So
The aaz flywheel, clutch disc & pp will fit my 1.6td and work with a sirocco 5 speed?
Starter-wise will an aaz one fit?
Just trying to make sure I'm going in the right direction, as my budget is being monitored by "those who should not be named" ;D
Aivars
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My AAZ car has its factory 020... Never heard of an 02A behind an AAZ before from VW.
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Yes the aaz stuff will fit and work perfectly.
The one aaz I got had an 02a flywheel that measures 215mm where the disc rides. Don't know if or what it came from. Thinking maybe the Canadian people would know if a Passat or something had it.
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Thanks for all the help!
The Sircooco is my backup car for finding a 5 speed locally. I do however have an independent tow truck driver friend who is also looking for me, as I'd like to find a jetta or rabbit diesel. This fellow knows what is located where whether be in the back 40, buried in a garage somewhere... etc
Although this is also a cool possibility for a 5 speed change over, although the transport costs will easily be $200 + and it would make me feel bad stripping this.
83 Jetta imported from Germany - This rig is for sale for $400 in Nova Scotia
(http://i46.tinypic.com/15zrpx.jpg)
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i see so much $ in jetta euro parts..................
put the 5 speed in with your current diesel clutch.............. quit working so hard.........
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i see so much $ in jetta euro parts..................
put the 5 speed in with your current diesel clutch.............. quit working so hard.........
But it is hard, not too ... work so hard......?
Just wanna get a 5spd in the 84 Jetta using a simple and cost effective method - using the VW resources i I have in my geographic locational, on the EAst Coast of Canada, while working every day at a daily job.
thanks
Aivars