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Engine Specific Info and Questions => TDI Engine -General Info => Topic started by: Smokey Eddy on February 12, 2013, 02:15:03 pm
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Anyone have any info on NOS systems either DIY or some sort of collaboration of DIY and ebay or something?
The kits are $500 plus and all i can tell they are is a solenoid, some lines, a micro controller and nozzles. And of course a bottle & gauge. But I fail to see how it's SO expensive? Has anyone gotten around this by making their own as it were?
I just want a wet shot at WOT...
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wet as in pre turbo? or after style??
carb pre turbo has wet as part of its style.. so why i ask...
if so.. 1 nozzle, line swich, button is all you need.. old carb nos was a plate between carb/manifold with tubes to allow mist in.. visit old carb shop to build that simplistic design..
now if injecting into manifold that stuff needs to be better built/quality.. but unlike gassers i doubt you need the 2nd port for more gas.. so becomes diesel specific and too many truck guys with $ jack that price up..
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Well, what would you suggest? What would you do? I'm not looking for anything too crazy at all. Just a little extra fun. I was going to put the nozzzle in the neck/elbow of the intake on my ALH.
why can you not just introduce it like methanol/water?
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I got a question for you Ed. What Pump Mods/Tune/Injector do you have planned for all this extra air??
Gonna need more fueling.
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propane or LNG and stage 2 chip
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This is where I got my kit. The kit number 609.1 is a universal dry kit. no bottle or brackets.
http://www.dynotunenitrous.com/store/Scripts/default.asp
On my 1.6 I put the nozzle right before the intake 90.
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ok we need to gt wet dry meanings set...
wet = fluid goes thru turbo turbine...
dry is after turbo, like manifold..
so in a dry system all boost made the injector has to carry/hold in place so on.. extra fuel how to on diesel.. no idea.. 8v is correct.. how do you plan fo rthe extra fuel..
now a wet system.. to shoot some in the pre turbo to let the turbine atomize/flush into intake.. yea not as much power.. but hell just plum end of hose in easy install..
so if its a poos and giggles.. id do wet.. if i planned to do it right.. id do 4 injectors built into my intake like a real set up on a gasser for max power potntial.. but unlike a gasser.. how to get fuel added for it...
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Enry mod for extra fuel and nitrous to clean up the smoke!!!
I have not done this to my tdi so use your own judgement.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=12165&highlight=champagne
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Running nitrous has HUGE gains, if you can fuel the fire. I am to understand that this "Evry mod" fools the computer in to letting the pump go rampant with fueling. HOWEVER you are still limited to it only being a stock 10mm TDI pump (or 11mm if it is an auto trans.. in which case, why are you doing a power build? lol) and stock like .184" nozzles (which actually measure .170").
Note about aftermarket injectors: sizes should be close to advertised. For example, aftermarket .184 nozzles should be .184 actual and not .170 actual. Some .184 stock nozzles were actually .170. Aftermarket part numbers are highlighted in purple and follow the stock part number.
.158 injectors: DSLA 150P 672, OEM on the 90 hp auto transmission mk4 ALH 1998-2003 engine, actual measured size is .138mm.
.184 injectors: DSLA 150P 706 (some say France) OEM on the 90 hp manual transmission mk3 AHU/1Z (post smoke recall for the 1996 passat) 1996-1999 engine and the mk4 ALH 1998-2003 engine, actual measured size is .170mm. Remember that if you have this size nozzle and replace them with ".184" .170mm actual size nozzle you will see an increase in power because of the size difference.
.184 injectors: (Euro market: DSLA 150P 357)/(US market: DSLA 150P 442) (sprint 357/442 or PP357), OEM on the 90 hp manual transmission mk3 AHU/1Z 1996-1999 engine, actual measured size is .185mm. Similar to the "smaller".184 injectors used in later cars except it has a larger opening and was used in injector bodies with lower opening pressure (190 bar) used with different ecu programming pre-smoke recall in the 1996 passat. PP357 should give about +5hp, +10ft-lbs over comparable sprint nozzles with less smoke.
.205 injectors: DSLA 150P 520 (sprint 520 or PP520), found on the 110 hp Euro AFN/ASV engine, actual measured size is .205mm. These are the stock nozzles found on the 110hp Euro cars which also used a larger turbo and different ECU to account for more fuel. PP520 should give about +10hp, +25ft-lbs over stock nozzles and about +5hp, +10ft-lbs over comparable 520 sprint nozzles with less smoke.
.216 injectors: These will give more power than .205 injectors. There were also two different actual sizes for injectors commonly referred to as ".216". See below for more details on actual sizes. You need adjustment of the fueling to control smoke and when used with a chip, advanced modifications and a new clutch are possible requirements to be able to burn all the fuel with little smoke. See 1000q: advanced power modifications for more details. They are not recommended for automatic transmission cars due to smoke.
So even if you chip it or do this "Evry mod", you are still limited by 90hp nozzles. I think the NOS, the Tune and some .216's would be a wise choice for your fueling future. Maybe the nat that point think of putting an 11mm head in your pump?? Maybe go balls deep and do a 12mm?! (you know.. they do have a 14mm plunger ;) nearly as big as the older pumps 17mm main shaft!!)
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Dry Nitrous KitThe typical dry nitrous kit is one of the most simple nitrous kits available. The kit is called a dry nitrous kit because it injects only nitrous into the engine, and not fuel. Generally, the dry nitrous kit is for people who want a set that allows them to let the ECU or computer automatically add appropriate amounts of fuel to compensate for the added nitrous into the motor. Usually you can get away with a dry nitrous system if you are confident in your car automatically compensating fuel, you have a larger fuel system, or have a way of ensuring there is adequate fuel when the nitrous gets injected.
Wet Nitrous KitThe typical wet nitrous kit is only of the more popular nitrous kits amongst enthusiasts. The wet nitrous kit injects both nitrous and fuel into the engine at the same time. As with the dry nitrous kit, you still need to have enough fuel in your fuel system for the wet nitrous system to be able to use while the nitrous is being injected. You can setup an external fuel pump specifically for this kit, so when the nitrous is activated, the fuel will come with the external fuel pump, bypassing the stock fuel system. This is a more elaborate wet nitrous system, but can be one of the most reliable setups.
Wet nitrous kit on a diesel is a lot more complex and expensive, you obviously can't just chuck fuel into the intake as it'll be all wrong. A simple dry kit is all you need, 50bhp shot with a nozzle into the intake and WOT switch, have it mapped to suit. On MTDi its even easier, just turn the fuel up!
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You need A LOT more fuel to support another 50bhp.. I don't think anyone has really run those power numbers on stock .170" injector nozzles.
On a stock ALH fuel system I think you'd be pushing it to add a "50 shot" of NOS. Why not spend similar money on an appropriate sized VNT turbo? Wouldn't have to fill a bottle, and you'd get better all RPM performance.
Eh?
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It would be just as easy to run a wet system on it.
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Can someone explain how this wet system works on a diesel??? I have read a little about a guy using a wet system on a powerstroke.
Are they injecting diesel into the turbo or intake piping along with nitrous? I can see diesel turning to jello real quick if both are injected through the same nozzle.
I have heard of propane being used as a power enhancer. Also what keeps these added fuels from
igniting on the compression stroke before TDC if put through the intake system???
I have some experience with wet systems on carbed and efi gassers, and have ran a dry kit on my 1.6TD caddy for a couple years now.
Like mentioned earler if you have the extra fuel, nitrous will help burn it, and lower egt's.
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Can someone explain how this wet system works on a diesel??? I have read a little about a guy using a wet system on a powerstroke.
Are they injecting diesel into the turbo or intake piping along with nitrous? I can see diesel turning to jello real quick if both are injected through the same nozzle.
I have heard of propane being used as a power enhancer. Also what keeps these added fuels from
igniting on the compression stroke before TDC if put through the intake system???
I have some experience with wet systems on carbed and efi gassers, and have ran a dry kit on my 1.6TD caddy for a couple years now.
Like mentioned earler if you have the extra fuel, nitrous will help burn it, and lower egt's.
Exactly, I think people are getting definitions of dry and wet systems wrong.
I wouldn't ever run nitrous on a stock system, only as a power enhancer for an already hyped up engine. 25-30psi boosted MTDi will swallow a 50 shot like a fat kid on cake
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I dunno why you think the engine needs to be modified to run nitrous ???.
A shot of nitrous is nothing more than air.. Meaning, if you run a bigger turbo.. and use it push more air in to the cylinder its the same thing.
As far as I see it, there is no feasibly cheap way to safely do a "wet" Nitrous injection on a diesel without a completely custom intake.. and very expensive Nitrous setup..
Usually the problem people run in to with these things is not enough air when going power builds.. So they run compounds or some huge turbo. I think a huge shot of nitrous whilst incorporating the pumps natural LDA boost functions.. you could get a very well behaving shot of nitrous after the stock turbo has reached efficiency. You will then have a big waste-gate as part of the system as well, which will allow the turbine wheel to essentially freewheel while your nitrous makes the air in the cylinder happen.
The fuel pumps, especially if you go with an 11mm or 12mm will be able to fuel enough to match a massive shot of nitrous, up until 6000rpms.
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Depends what your aims are I guess, just don't see the point on stock turbo/injectors for the investment
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Well seeing as how there aren't really any aftermarket options for the 1.6 and 1.9 IDI injectors, you don't really have a choice. lol
And you still want drive-ability when you are not at WOT don't you?
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Granted, but this is the TDI section ;)
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As far as I see it, there is no feasibly cheap way to safely do a "wet" Nitrous injection on a diesel without a completely custom intake.. and very expensive Nitrous setup..
Wet with meth...You'll drop your intake temps some more, and no fancy plumbing needed.
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Still not a wet nitrous setup though, methanol isn't going to supply the additional fuelling for a diesel??
Water/Methanol injection is a good idea on a heavily boosted setup, due to dropping intake temps only.
8v-of-fury is right, there is not a simple cheap way of doing a wet nitrous setup on a diesel.
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There's not really any point in doing wet nitrous on a diesel in my opinion. The whole reason gassers do it is because the blow up if they get too lean. A giant nitrous shot without the fuel to use it will destroy a gasser. Diesels on the other hand don't mind running lean, what they don't like is running rich (EGTs). NOS adds air
If you really wanted to add fuel when you add nitrous you could use propane or natural gas. The IDI engines don't like it (they'll blow their precups) but it is a pretty common thing to do on DI motors. Propane / Methane (NG) won't ignite on their own in a diesel, at least in the mix ratios you'd be using. When the diesel is injected and lights off it burns the propane/methane, so that is how timing is accomplished.
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Care to explain to me how m/ethanol is not a fuel?
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Granted, but this is the TDI section ;)
Lmao. The poster used to have a 1.9 AAZ... and for some reason I thought it were still what he was referring to haha.
NOS adds air
If you really wanted to add fuel when you add nitrous you could use propane or natural gas. Propane / Methane (NG) won't ignite on their own in a diesel, at least in the mix ratios you'd be using. When the diesel is injected and lights off it burns the propane/methane, so that is how timing is accomplished.
Right on, I figured maybe the differing ignition points might play in to affect as to injecting a different fuel earlier.
cool beans.
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cant run a wet shot on a diesel..
you CAN NOT inject wet fuel into your intake.
a diesel REQUIRES a dry shot of nos, and be overfueled, otherwise it wont even make use of the nos..
only thing i could think of to run as a fuel, thru a nos system, is to plumb a tank of propane/lng into the fuel side of the nos..
but i think that even that would be a bit tricky.. its just NOT a good idea to run a wet shot on a diesel, because it will basically be a controlled run away if you introduce fuel to the intake air..
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What if you made it inject after the main burn had already started?
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What if you made it inject after the main burn had already started?
and how do you suggest that?
Again as stated many times, you can NOT do a wet shot on a diesel... well you can just don't expect the motor to last long.
if your really pushing it you can do propane w/ N2O
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propane w/N20? So essentially a wet shot?? As you would be injecting propane with the NOS and ingesting through the intake??
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Care to explain to me how m/ethanol is not a fuel?
Methanol is a fuel, I know this (I burn 5 gallons in 6 seconds to go 200mph, just so you know) but the quantities you inject in a water methanol setup will have no effect, it is purely there to cool the intake charge due to its latent heat of evaporation.
Also, show me a diesel running on methanol?? ??? It will not richen up a diesel fuel mixture, at all.
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Every rig with a water meth injection system, unless running pure water. Like you said, it is a fuel, and the power it produces has to go somewhere.
Advantage being it only ups your fuel when it's switched on.
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Won't make any noticeable difference to enrichment on a diesel. But the reduced intake temps would be good
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There's not really any point in doing wet nitrous on a diesel in my opinion. The whole reason gassers do it is because the blow up if they get too lean. A giant nitrous shot without the fuel to use it will destroy a gasser. Diesels on the other hand don't mind running lean, what they don't like is running rich (EGTs). NOS adds air
If you really wanted to add fuel when you add nitrous you could use propane or natural gas. The IDI engines don't like it (they'll blow their precups) but it is a pretty common thing to do on DI motors. Propane / Methane (NG) won't ignite on their own in a diesel, at least in the mix ratios you'd be using. When the diesel is injected and lights off it burns the propane/methane, so that is how timing is accomplished.
Guys, he explains this very well here. The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.
I also think that a dry shot would be extremely beneficial and for the most part pretty cheap on any slightly fueled up IDI.
My aaz blew huge ploooms of black soot out of two 2.5 inch exhaust pipes... and it was already extremely fast on 28 psi. if you know how to turn the pumps up properly and change throttle position and everything you can really crank those things. a dry shot on my jetta would have been pretty awesome.
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There's not really any point in doing wet nitrous on a diesel in my opinion. The whole reason gassers do it is because the blow up if they get too lean. A giant nitrous shot without the fuel to use it will destroy a gasser. Diesels on the other hand don't mind running lean, what they don't like is running rich (EGTs). NOS adds air
If you really wanted to add fuel when you add nitrous you could use propane or natural gas. The IDI engines don't like it (they'll blow their precups) but it is a pretty common thing to do on DI motors. Propane / Methane (NG) won't ignite on their own in a diesel, at least in the mix ratios you'd be using. When the diesel is injected and lights off it burns the propane/methane, so that is how timing is accomplished.
Guys, he explains this very well here. The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.
I also think that a dry shot would be extremely beneficial and for the most part pretty cheap on any slightly fueled up IDI.
My aaz blew huge ploooms of black soot out of two 2.5 inch exhaust pipes... and it was already extremely fast on 28 psi. if you know how to turn the pumps up properly and change throttle position and everything you can really crank those things. a dry shot on my jetta would have been pretty awesome.
I agree, even a dry shot on a DI engine with monster injectors and a (minimum of) 11mm pump would be tits. I have seen m-tdi's with 11mm's blow extreme clouds of black with stock injectors. Add the NOS and off to the races you go, got a build thread going on this beast Smoke?
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There's not really any point in doing wet nitrous on a diesel in my opinion. The whole reason gassers do it is because the blow up if they get too lean. A giant nitrous shot without the fuel to use it will destroy a gasser. Diesels on the other hand don't mind running lean, what they don't like is running rich (EGTs). NOS adds air
If you really wanted to add fuel when you add nitrous you could use propane or natural gas. The IDI engines don't like it (they'll blow their precups) but it is a pretty common thing to do on DI motors. Propane / Methane (NG) won't ignite on their own in a diesel, at least in the mix ratios you'd be using. When the diesel is injected and lights off it burns the propane/methane, so that is how timing is accomplished.
Guys, he explains this very well here. The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.
I also think that a dry shot would be extremely beneficial and for the most part pretty cheap on any slightly fueled up IDI.
My aaz blew huge ploooms of black soot out of two 2.5 inch exhaust pipes... and it was already extremely fast on 28 psi. if you know how to turn the pumps up properly and change throttle position and everything you can really crank those things. a dry shot on my jetta would have been pretty awesome.
I agree, even a dry shot on a DI engine with monster injectors and a (minimum of) 11mm pump would be tits. I have seen m-tdi's with 11mm's blow extreme clouds of black with stock injectors. Add the NOS and off to the races you go, got a build thread going on this beast Smoke?
i remember seeing a dyno of a tdi that was using nitrous, it had power well above 5k. it must be a nice way to make up for a poor flowing head
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propane w/N20? So essentially a wet shot?? As you would be injecting propane with the NOS and ingesting through the intake??
propane is a gas, no?
how is a gas wet?
nos is a gas, its not wet.. neither is propane.
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WET as in a WET NOS. AS IN fuel in to the intake :)
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WET as in a WET NOS. AS IN fuel in to the intake :)
you CAN NOT inject fuel into the intake on a diesel..
if there is fuel in the intake air, the engine runs away...
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only if you give it enough to exceed 5000 RPM or so, otherwise it idles or high idles.
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WET as in a WET NOS. AS IN fuel in to the intake :)
you CAN NOT inject fuel into the intake on a diesel..
if there is fuel in the intake air, the engine runs away...
Did you read the replies in this thread? Or are you just throwing out uneducated BLARGGHSS again?
The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.
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WET as in a WET NOS. AS IN fuel in to the intake :)
you CAN NOT inject fuel into the intake on a diesel..
if there is fuel in the intake air, the engine runs away...
Did you read the replies in this thread? Or are you just throwing out uneducated BLARGGHSS again?
The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.
propane and LNG are not wet..
you CAN NOT shoot wet fuel into the intake of a diesel, like you would on a gasser..
if you dont believe me, go give your diesel engine a big ol' shot of diesel/nos to the intake, and see how big the dent in your hood is after wards..
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propane and LNG are not wet..
So what is the problem??
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propane and LNG are not wet..
So what is the problem??
generally, people dont use propane or LNG as the WET in a wet nitrous setup..
all im saying, is that if you shoot diesel, gasoline, oil of any type into the intake of a diesel, bad things will happen..
if you would have read this whole thing, i already commented a LONG TIME AGO, that a GAS should be able to be used as a fuel along with nitrous, but that was probably too much reading for your dumb ass..
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cant run a wet shot on a diesel..
you CAN NOT inject wet fuel into your intake.
a diesel REQUIRES a dry shot of nos, and be overfueled, otherwise it wont even make use of the nos..
only thing i could think of to run as a fuel, thru a nos system, is to plumb a tank of propane/lng into the fuel side of the nos..
but i think that even that would be a bit tricky.. its just NOT a good idea to run a wet shot on a diesel, because it will basically be a controlled run away if you introduce fuel to the intake air..
there, if you would have read this post first, you might not have jumped down my throat, and made yourself look like an idiot..
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cant run a wet shot on a diesel..
you CAN NOT inject wet fuel into your intake.
a diesel REQUIRES a dry shot of nos, and be overfueled, otherwise it wont even make use of the nos..
only thing i could think of to run as a fuel, thru a nos system, is to plumb a tank of propane/lng into the fuel side of the nos..
but i think that even that would be a bit tricky.. its just NOT a good idea to run a wet shot on a diesel, because it will basically be a controlled run away if you introduce fuel to the intake air..
« Last Edit: Today at 11:16:34 PM by R.O.R-2.0 »
there, if you would have read this post first, you might not have jumped down my throat, and made yourself look like an idiot..
Yeah...... you edited that post today.. at the same time of making this post I am replying too.. I recall that information not being in the original post.. I know you cannot inject a liquid in to a diesels intake.
Jumping down your throat? Just pointing out when someone was misinformed, you seem to do it in damn near every post ;) Whats the catch when I do it? Cuz I ain't got 9000 posts? Big whoop.
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You still mad about this?? Trololol, I am kiddding. Jesus lighten the hell up tight-ass.
R.O.R-2.0: you make yourself look like uneducated with your some of your comments. Have you ever compared a wastegate turbine housing vs. VNT?
Best siht to date...
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Keep it cool guys - there's nothing being added to the discussion at this point. 8)
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Keep it cool guys - there's nothing being added to the discussion at this point. 8)
For real man, I am new here.. Great atmosphere otherwise ;)
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cant run a wet shot on a diesel..
you CAN NOT inject wet fuel into your intake.
a diesel REQUIRES a dry shot of nos, and be overfueled, otherwise it wont even make use of the nos..
only thing i could think of to run as a fuel, thru a nos system, is to plumb a tank of propane/lng into the fuel side of the nos..
but i think that even that would be a bit tricky.. its just NOT a good idea to run a wet shot on a diesel, because it will basically be a controlled run away if you introduce fuel to the intake air..
« Last Edit: Today at 11:16:34 PM by R.O.R-2.0 »
there, if you would have read this post first, you might not have jumped down my throat, and made yourself look like an idiot..
Yeah...... you edited that post today.. at the same time of making this post I am replying too.. I recall that information not being in the original post.. I know you cannot inject a liquid in to a diesels intake.
Jumping down your throat? Just pointing out when someone was misinformed, you seem to do it in damn near every post ;) Whats the catch when I do it? Cuz I ain't got 9000 posts? Big whoop.
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You still mad about this?? Trololol, I am kiddding. Jesus lighten the hell up tight-ass.
R.O.R-2.0: you make yourself look like uneducated with your some of your comments. Have you ever compared a wastegate turbine housing vs. VNT?
Best siht to date...
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only thing i edited, was adding the word WET to "cant inject fuel thru the intake air" and edited it to say you cant inject WET fuel into your intake"
take it how you want tho.. the post was edited to make things more clear, not to cover my ass..
i see, from your 13 posts, that you obviously know everything already ;-)
anyways, some people think im a bit abrasive.. take it or leave it, ive been here a LONG time, and i DO know my stuff..
dont mean to give off the wrong impression tho.. im not trying to prove you wrong, or be an @$$hole.. alot of times im EXTREMELY sarcastic.. ill try and be a bit more serious about things.. sorry if what i said was offensive..
Honestly, im quite interested in the topic.. ive got a wet gasser nos system, and i would LOVE to install it back on my diesel.. ive always toyed with the idea of using LPG/LNG as the fuel for a wet shot, but ive never gotten a definitive answer as to how safe it is..
i KNOW FOR A FACT that it is a BAD IDEA to run propane or LNG in the intake air by its self, because its hard on the precups (because the propane ignites WAY before the diesel is injected.. but who knows, it may work amazing when nos is injected at the same time..
i also KNOW FOR A FACT, that it is a TERRIBLE IDEA to inject a LIQUID FUEL into the intake air tho.. you risk bending a rod because of hydro-lock it takes less than 10cc of liquid to squish a rod..
ive run nos before, and ive done a SIHT LOAD of research on the topic as well, just never about using a fuel along side nos, but on a diesel still..
all of the commercial kits you see available for a diesel engine, they are ALL a dry shot.. none of them that are diesel specific, have a fuel shot..
Anyways, sorry that your first impression of me wasnt amazing.. hopefully you dont live by first impressions. Im Kevin btw, and im really NOT trying to P!$$ in your cheerios either ;-)
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Ed, fwiw my stock mk3 TDI was not boring to drive.. why do you find your 01 is??
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I never had a stock MK3, but I have the 01. I am with Ed. Mk2 was tons more fun to drive.
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my 97 has lots more power than my rabbit, and it actually handles pretty good, if it had a bit stiffer of springs or better shocks it'd be really good, but the extra weight is very noticeable and the car also seems to have a ton of understeer than my rabbit. the older cars are no doubt more fun.
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2.slow with power? Yeah the standards had way more getup than there 4spd auto brethren. Gf's sister got a mint one, low low kms for $500... IT WAS PERFECT. no rust or anything wrong anywhere.
Retard ditched (.. that is an understatement) CLIFFED it would be better description.. it at 110km/h. Car was a complete right-off, everything about it was proper done up.. Tore the bottom end out of the engine while it was flying through debris. AWESOME CARNAGE don't think i have pictures though.
(Cool story though right? LoL)