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Title: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 25, 2013, 11:45:43 am
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Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: jboogie13 on January 25, 2013, 12:24:48 pm
WINGNUT ALERT
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: srgtlord on January 25, 2013, 12:39:48 pm
definitely a turd
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 25, 2013, 01:25:36 pm
I get the cheap transportation thing.. but sweet Jesus. lol!

Would it hurt to take care of it though? I doubt it looked like that when you got it, lets see some pics of it when you got it.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: CRSMP5 on January 25, 2013, 02:35:16 pm
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nice urinal.. intersting idea for 50 mile 1 way trips..
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 25, 2013, 03:02:38 pm
Just call it a rat rod and it'll look nice.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 25, 2013, 03:14:50 pm
Guys you make me laugh out loud! WINGNUT ALERT, definitely a turd.. All have been great.

8v, I do have like 1 one pre-op photo ill post hang on. It was even worse before.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: Syncroincity on January 25, 2013, 04:51:34 pm
Cue "Sanford & Son" music...  ;D


I love the rally-car fresh air intake! The beauty of a car like this is that you have NO fear of trying anything that crosses your imagination.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: ORCoaster on January 25, 2013, 09:55:37 pm
this car is the perfect candidate for one of those fold out wind break type boxes they are now hanging off the semis for better mileage.  I can see a tail addition now that compliments that hose and air vent combo.

And the more crap you add to this beast the more scrap value it will have when it finally goes TU.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 25, 2013, 10:05:44 pm
You should do this! On the left in the top picture :). 65 US MPG.

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Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: JBG3 on January 26, 2013, 01:36:24 pm
lol, a confederate flag over "islam is a hate crime".   ;D   No irony huh?

lets see a pic of the inside of the fresh air snorkel!  do you have some kind of louvered setup?  how is it for rain water or heat? 

Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 26, 2013, 05:24:37 pm
lol, a confederate flag over "islam is a hate crime".   ;D   No irony huh?


Don't believe everything you've been taught ;-)
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 26, 2013, 10:23:38 pm
You appear to live in a very nice neighbourhood, how do they allow such an abomination?

I mean, its not even that bad.. Just everything looks half-assed. That is my only criticism.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 26, 2013, 11:03:38 pm
You appear to live in a very nice neighbourhood, how do they allow such an abomination?

I mean, its not even that bad.. Just everything looks half-assed. That is my only criticism.

Hahaha yes the neighbors. They have been trained appropriately. They are all Yankees that moved down and are just appreciative of low taxes and modest home prices; they don't sweat a slightly loud car In the driveway.

Half assed is key! I swore I wouldn't spend no money on this operation. The whole point is to save $$. Ok so I could clean up the trash, I do on occasion.. But it's a commuter car so there will be water bottles, etc.

8v ima post the before pics I haven't forget
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: jboogie13 on January 27, 2013, 08:30:19 am
Quote


They have been trained appropriately. They are all Yankees that moved down

I just lost some brain cells.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: libbydiesel on January 27, 2013, 08:36:59 am
[Harsh truth removed]  ;D
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 27, 2013, 09:45:39 am
Awww LibbyBapa.. I didn't know you would be so upset by my car.

Well here, I'll fix the original post for you.. didn't wanna trample any toes.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: libbydiesel on January 27, 2013, 09:53:35 am
I'm not even remotely upset by you or your car.  I literally couldn't care less.  I just enjoyed pointing out the absurdity of it and your comments about it.  Maybe I'm a little like you and like poking you with a stick because it's obvious that you've worked extra-hard to make it an absurdly ugly mess of a vehicle with the obvious aim to poke a stick at other people.  I enjoy the hypocrisy and irony of it all.  Don't go getting all butt-hurt when someone uses your technique to call you on your own game. Carry on.   ;)  
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 27, 2013, 12:09:45 pm
That new updated pic looks AWESOME! See I knew it was at one time a clean car ;)
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 27, 2013, 02:38:48 pm
So, what's your WMO set-up like?
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 27, 2013, 03:33:07 pm
I buy this filter bag for $6 and just pour thru as needed. No real setup or anything. http://www.cfsco.net/fibagsvowvob3.html
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 27, 2013, 04:08:15 pm
Hmm never seen one of those before, do you mix it with gas or diesel? I've read guys are using gas in 85% oil, and Diesel below 85%.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 27, 2013, 04:20:10 pm
Hahaha believe I run it straight right now.. Haven't put a paid liquid in the tank in over 20 gallons now.
It seems the car likes a diesel mix. I was using gasoline, but it appears don't any of it mix too well. Even the ATF Will sit on top of the wmo. And I think the gas will sit on top of that.

If you can get it Started, it'll run on straight wmo.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 27, 2013, 04:22:59 pm
Strange, I haven't heard of the gas or diesel not mixing with the oil. It should all be inter-soluble.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 27, 2013, 04:24:13 pm
I just dump each liquid in the tank.. Don't do too much agitating. I think if you premix it would do better
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: shorttimer on January 27, 2013, 06:31:49 pm
Just stand on the back bumper & bounce it up & down.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 27, 2013, 06:37:02 pm
Or drive it hard. I drive so hard sometimes, I can here the fuel slosh over the sound of my engine!
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 27, 2013, 06:56:53 pm
Sounds like you have a pretty rough system lol, but hey if it works for you. I want to try this soon as I have about 55 gal of wmo I need to get rid of. I plan on filtering it into clean barrel and mix it with about 15% gas, then pumping it into the tank with a hand pump I have that screws into a bung on the barrel.

I have a ton of unused cone type paint filters, wonder if they would be fine enough, I'd like to get it about as clean as pump diesel. Otherwise I have some electric fuel pumps I can rig up to pump through a real filter.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 27, 2013, 06:58:39 pm
Its not the issue of filtering out particulate.. its the issue of the un-burnable additives in motor oil that makes the issue of running motor oil.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: JBG3 on January 28, 2013, 07:03:34 am
Awww LibbyBapa.. I didn't know you would be so upset by my car.

Well here, I'll fix the original post for you.. didn't wanna trample any toes.

why did you take down the original pics?  You might as well have fun with it, that car is a statement.  Just because people don't agree with you and don't like what you've done with the car doesn't mean you should edit things based on opinions on a forum.  Clearly, you have engineered the way the vehicle looks to provoke a reaction, and its done the same thing here.  Might as well sit back and enjoy it, its working perfectly as designed! 

Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: JBG3 on January 28, 2013, 07:15:41 am
Its not the issue of filtering out particulate.. its the issue of the un-burnable additives in motor oil that makes the issue of running motor oil.

Definitely, personally, Id be very concerned with emissions.  How much arsenic, cadmium, chromium, lead, or sulfer PPM content is there in the waste motor oil being used?  How much of that crap is getting into my lungs? 
After seeing just how much soot my rear seats actually filtered from my 86, there is definitely a possibility of tailpipe emissions getting into the cabin areas.  I have replaced all my door and trunk seals, but honestly, id be much happier burning VO than MO.  To save money on fuel costs, the level of emissions for the car is pretty nasty, and im glad there seems to be few people who are comfortable burning waste motor oil. 

Bad enough that every shop in a cold area burns waste motor oil in oil heaters, but a lot of those have to meet some kind of minimum emissions specifications.  Most people break these rules, but still, they are there. 
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 28, 2013, 07:22:19 am
Everything I've read points to no worse emission than standard diesel or WVO, no increase in smoke, etc.
If you don't use it, it gets burned to heat the tar when you dispose of it at a recycling center, so either way it gets burned. It's gotta go somewhere. Any additives probably fall to the ground just as diesel soot does.

Many reports of vehicles going 50k miles or more with no issues...

It's an issue of the lesser evils.

Does it save the environment? no. Is it free to obtain, yes. easier to process than WVO, yes. no pre-heat required, yes. tons of vehicles are currently driving around burning lots of oil unintentionally anyways, I'd put my concern into the gasoline-powered pollution machines before this.

Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: JBG3 on January 28, 2013, 07:51:27 am
Everything I've read points to no worse emission than standard diesel or WVO, no increase in smoke, etc.
If you don't use it, it gets burned to heat the tar when you dispose of it at a recycling center, so either way it gets burned. It's gotta go somewhere. Any additives probably fall to the ground just as diesel soot does.

Many reports of vehicles going 50k miles or more with no issues...

It's an issue of the lesser evils.

Does it save the environment? no. Is it free to obtain, yes. easier to process than WVO, yes. no pre-heat required, yes. tons of vehicles are currently driving around burning lots of oil unintentionally anyways, I'd put my concern into the gasoline-powered pollution machines before this.



lol, we are clearly reading different stuff.  Everything ive read discusses the sheer dirtiness of burning used motor oil.  We agree that 80% of motor oil gets burned as an industrial fuel (in the US), but its particularly dirty in emissions of heavy metals, like lead and zinc.  I got that from a study published in the American Chemical Society journal. 

How could it possibly be similarly emissions producing as WVO and even low sulfer diesel?  None of these types of fuels contain heavy metals in them.  Thats the big thing that makes WMO a dirty type of fuel to use.  WIll it work? sure, but its not anywhere as clean.  Just because 80% of motor oil gets burned doesn't mean its a good idea and we should all be doing our part to burn it off.  For example, in Europe, about 50% of motor oil is re-refined back into motor oil, or other useful purposes, compared to 10-15% in the US. 

Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 28, 2013, 07:56:03 am
Everything has a downside. I don't forsee WMO ever becoming a widely consumed fuel, so that being said I don't see much of a problem with a few people here and there burning it. But that's just me, crucify me if you will. They could always pour it in the ground, as countless idiots have...

When used oil is recycled, where does all the waste from that process go?
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 28, 2013, 11:49:35 am
How much of that crap is getting into my lungs?  

I wondered about this myself.  I hope i don't die before i can finish this engineering degree.

So to compensate, i opened my roof snorkel back up.. this creates positive pressure in the vehicle from clean air from outside the vehicle, up high where my exhaust shouldn't be, disallowing a venturi effect to suck exhuast gas in.

 i fixed my toilet bowl style exhaust so 96ish% of the exhaust ends up behind the car, and not around/under/thru the car.

also, global warming is a hoax as it became "climate change" when our winters went back to being cold, and was being perpetuated by a guy that rode around in a personal jet spewing the thing he was out preaching against, and Tipper left him after the big money he promised from the government's solution to global warming didn't pan out (see here for explanation (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/06/capandtrade_the_biggest_scam_o.html),) so the rest of the argument is null to me. my health = only concern
Title: Re: my 500 dollar black shiny turd
Post by: RustyCaddy on January 28, 2013, 12:23:58 pm
WINGNUT ALERT

 ;)
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 28, 2013, 12:26:17 pm
Hhahahahah WELL PLACED, rustycaddy.

in fact, i didn't know of this term.. i think it is only used in heavily liberal areas, and i don't live in one.  So i had to go google it.  it seems short for ring wing nut; wingnut.

it is the epitome of political correctness; a term for those that didn't buy in. 

i guess i wear the badge proudly, then.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 28, 2013, 12:31:52 pm

why did you take down the original pics?  You might as well have fun with it, that car is a statement.  Just because people don't agree with you and don't like what you've done with the car doesn't mean you should edit things based on opinions on a forum.  Clearly, you have engineered the way the vehicle looks to provoke a reaction, and its done the same thing here.  Might as well sit back and enjoy it, its working perfectly as designed!  



inderdaad.  i puttem back. i meant to cut the plate number out anyway
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: JBG3 on January 28, 2013, 01:33:32 pm
How much of that crap is getting into my lungs?  

I wondered about this myself.  I hope i don't die before i can finish this engineering degree.

So to compensate, i opened my roof snorkel back up.. this creates positive pressure in the vehicle from clean air from outside the vehicle, up high where my exhaust shouldn't be, disallowing a venturi effect to suck exhuast gas in.

 i fixed my toilet bowl style exhaust so 96ish% of the exhaust ends up behind the car, and not around/under/thru the car.

also, global warming is a hoax as it became "climate change" when our winters went back to being cold, and was being perpetuated by a guy that rode around in a personal jet spewing the thing he was out preaching against, and Tipper left him after the big money he promised from the government's solution to global warming didn't pan out (see here for explanation (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/06/capandtrade_the_biggest_scam_o.html),) so the rest of the argument is null to me. my health = only concern

I had sort of a freakout moment about the exhaust on my 86 a few months ago, when I discovered just how much soot the rear seats seem to have filtered, indicating a huge exhaust leak that was somehow being sucked into the cabin. 

(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd387/tinworm2/86%20VW%20Jetta/013-1.jpg)

I replaced all the door seals, and I am looking for a trunk seal.  With the black soot all over the backs of my seats, thats where I wonder how much of the MO burning exhaust is somehow sucked into the cabin.  That fresh air snorkel may be just the idea to prevent such things. 

I have no idea if the soot in my car was any indication of common problems with the mk2 though, so maybe it was singular to mine.  There was a whole vo setup and the PO did blow the engine, so who knows how it originally ran
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 28, 2013, 01:45:24 pm
IT WAS THIS PHOTO that caused the roof snorkel to repopen.. in fact it was this photo that caused me to fix my exhaust entirely.

After you brought this photo to the board, i decided to research, and decided that cracking the window caused a venturi effect, and so if you have holes in the floorboard, the low cabin pressure would suck the exhaust gas up thru the floor, maybe contributing to your backseat photo.

i decided the high pressure created by the roof snorkel would eliminate this problem, likely forcing clean air out the floor holes.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 28, 2013, 03:13:31 pm
I rarely crack the windows, I use the fresh air vents instead. I have a pinhole leak right after the manifold and if I have my window rolled down I can smell it. If it is up, I don't smell it at all.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 28, 2013, 03:14:34 pm
I rarely crack the windows, I use the fresh air vents instead. I have a pinhole leak right after the manifold and if I have my window rolled down I can smell it. If it is up, I don't smell it at all.

Mine is the exact opposite. I have just a down pipe for an exhaust, and windows up  fan on I smell it.. windows down and fan off I don't.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: TylerDurden on January 28, 2013, 04:04:47 pm
Mine is the exact opposite. I have just a down pipe for an exhaust, and windows up  fan on I smell it.. windows down and fan off I don't.

Got the gasket that runs along the rain tray?
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 28, 2013, 05:51:31 pm
Yes, in good order too.

Like i say i have just the downpipe pointed at the ground haha
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 28, 2013, 05:53:53 pm
Yes, in good order too.

Like i say i have just the downpipe pointed at the ground haha

That turbo must have quite the muffling effect, because I had to drive open header for about 16 kilometers, and even with hearing protection, it was the loudest car I've ever been in. Ungodly loud
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 28, 2013, 06:18:29 pm
I cut the restrictive gas muffler off in order to put a glasspack on, but ran it straight pipe for a day. It is literally the loudest vehicle I'd ever heard, everyone I drove by stared. Something about these NA engines makes them extremely loud compared to other engines.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 28, 2013, 06:29:41 pm
All turbo's have a muffling effect, the spinning turbine cuts the exhaust notes to pieces.

I have driven k03's, k14's and k26's all with just the down pipe pointing straight down.. LOVE IT

I don't even have ANY sound deadening at all in the car right now.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: 8v-of-fury on January 28, 2013, 06:30:26 pm
I cut the restrictive gas muffler off in order to put a glasspack on, but ran it straight pipe for a day. It is literally the loudest vehicle I'd ever heard, everyone I drove by stared. Something about these NA engines makes them extremely loud compared to other engines.

23.5:1 compression ratio as compared to a normal 9:1 for a gas motor... ;) Makes for a loud combustion BANG.
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: wdkingery on January 28, 2013, 06:31:57 pm
Ugh me either.. My hood diaper got soaked years ago and had to go.

If you look closely in the pix you can see ear plugs all along the bottom of the instrument cluster.. A lot of engine noise
Title: Re: my 500 dollar shiny turd
Post by: tyb525 on January 28, 2013, 06:52:54 pm
Yeah turbo's quiet it a lot, I'd run a straight pipe if I had a turbo. note to self: get started on that turbo...