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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: 92EcoDiesel Jetta on October 16, 2012, 12:09:48 am
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I want a tach in my Caddy? Where can I find a cluster with a tach for my 81 1.6? Did Canadian or Euro caddy come with a tach?
I pulled the cluster out of my 81 and the connector on the back is neither CE1 or CE2. What kind is it?
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caddy/bunny had westy wiring.... and cluster...
now westy had no official diesel tach... gasser yes... diesel no on paper... i have seen one though.. with invalid part number and it was nib... people mod the gasser tach to work..
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caddy/bunny had westy wiring.... and cluster...
now westy had no official diesel tach... gasser yes... diesel no on paper... i have seen one though.. with invalid part number and it was nib... people mod the gasser tach to work..
MKI rabbit wiring and cluster is westy based? air or water? So my best bet is to get a MKI gasser cluster and get its tach
to work in the caddy?
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You can just swap in the tach, no need for the whole cluster. I think we used a tach out of a cabriolet, but I don't remember.
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I've never seen a truly Canadian registered Caddy with a gas engine...they were all NA diesels. The gas-engined Caddys here are either transplants or US models brought into Canada. The diesels never came with a tach.
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You can just swap in the tach, no need for the whole cluster. I think we used a tach out of a cabriolet, but I don't remember.
Nice! Can you find out more on what you did? Pics? The clock in my cluster is NG and would make the perfect spot for a tach. I can put an LED clock in the blank spot in the bottom middle if there is space behind there.
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U can just swap the tach but that looks goofy because of the knob you set the clock with its best to just the whole cluster then u have a 120mph speedo. If u have an American built car get a gti cluster, use the diesel membrane on the gti cluster with converted tach or u can also just use the Dakota digital converter. If its a German car get a cabby tach, cabby racha are a bit harder to convert depending on which one you get, older is usually better
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U can just swap the tach but that looks goofy because of the knob you set the clock with its best to just the whole cluster then u have a 120mph speedo. If u have an American built car get a gti cluster, use the diesel membrane on the gti cluster with converted tach or u can also just use the Dakota digital converter. If its a German car get a cabby tach, cabby racha are a bit harder to convert depending on which one you get, older is usually better
What is a 'cabby racha "?
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cabby/jetta different then caddy.... aka westy vs german... so no per say not a swap... you need 81-84 westy bunny tach cluster for direct fit...
now me....
i have installed a mk2 td tach cluster to a westy dash before.. issue no brake/seat belt warning lights... ce1 drivers door closest plug has issues with steering column mounts... but looks much nicer then the westy cluster...
for my mk1 jetta/cabby i have modded mk2 tachs to fit the mk1 cluster, did some pcb soldering to make it work... and my last one i built 12-13 years ago using the rair 80-81 only pre shift light pcb/backings even figured out how to add a boost and tach where clock is... :P
so enough creativity and you can do it all... but westy 81-84 usa built bunny not same as german... wiring, fit so on unique..
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Chris I remember seeing pictures of that cluster on vortex. I've converted probably 10 half German ones and half westy, the westy ones are easier because the diesel and tach ones are very similar the German ones are harder because they made so many different versions and the diesel vs gas ones are more different. Certain ones are as easy as a westy and others are a total *** of patching in wires
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"you need 81-84 westy bunny tach cluster for direct fit..."
Below is pic of my 81 caddy cluster. Note the female connector, instead of male connector on CE1 and CE2. Will 81-84 westy bunny cluster have the same female connector?
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121017_150636.jpg)
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Yes the rabbit tach cluster is almost identical from behind, you'll actually want to swap the center section and membrane from ur current cluster over to the tach cluster to retain the glow plug light
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OK, so the confusion (for me) was that I thought westy = Westphalia when it should= Westmoreland. Now it makes more sense. ;D
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I was given this cluster and was told it's from a GTI and that it would fit into my Caddy. Can anyone verify that it is from a GTI and if so what year? The connector on the back is neither CE1 or CE2 nor Westy
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121001_110753.jpg)
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121001_110816.jpg)
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That's a mkii gti cluster it could work but ull need a mkii diesel cluster and the plug for it so u can splice in the correct connector
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I found a westy gasser mkI cluster with a tach and the connecttor is the same as the caddy cluster. If I plug the gasser cluster into the (diesel) caddy connector, will anything get fried? I know the tach won't work w/o additional work, also glow plug light is missing but should temp and fuel gauge work?
How should I go about it so it's the least amount of work and end up with a working tach?
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mk2 cluster no fit in mk1 dash...
they physically fit, but there is nothing to mount it to..
the only piece holding my mk2 cluster into my mk1, was the gauge cluster trim bezel..
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mk2 cluster no fit in mk1 dash...
they physically fit, but there is nothing to mount it to..
the only piece holding my mk2 cluster into my mk1, was the gauge cluster trim bezel..
It's a mk1 cluster.
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I was given this cluster and was told it's from a GTI and that it would fit into my Caddy. Can anyone verify that it is from a GTI and if so what year? The connector on the back is neither CE1 or CE2 nor Westy
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121001_110753.jpg)
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121001_110816.jpg)
no dude, this is NOT a mk1 cluster..
whoever told you that, was wrong...
thats a mk2 rocco/mk2 GTI cluster...
they dont work in a rabbit..
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I was given this cluster and was told it's from a GTI and that it would fit into my Caddy. Can anyone verify that it is from a GTI and if so what year? The connector on the back is neither CE1 or CE2 nor Westy
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121001_110753.jpg)
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121001_110816.jpg)
no dude, this is NOT a mk1 cluster..
whoever told you that, was wrong...
thats a mk2 rocco/mk2 GTI cluster...
they dont work in a rabbit..
That's not the cluster. The cluster I just got came from a gasser Rabbit made in Westmoreland PA and has neither a CE1 nor CEII connector I/F.
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I was given this cluster and was told it's from a GTI and that it would fit into my Caddy. Can anyone verify that it is from a GTI and if so what year? The connector on the back is neither CE1 or CE2 nor Westy
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121001_110753.jpg)
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121001_110816.jpg)
no dude, this is NOT a mk1 cluster..
whoever told you that, was wrong...
thats a mk2 rocco/mk2 GTI cluster...
they dont work in a rabbit..
That's not the cluster. The cluster I just got came from a gasser Rabbit made in Westmoreland PA and has neither a CE1 nor CEII connector I/F.
Rabbits didnt have CE1 or CE2.. they had rabbit wiring.. it was PRE-CENTRAL ELECTRIC.. the american rabbits had their own wiring system.. Jettas of the same year, had CE1.. believe roccos did as well..
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Rabbits didnt have CE1 or CE2.. they had rabbit wiring.. it was PRE-CENTRAL ELECTRIC.. the american rabbits had their own wiring system.. Jettas of the same year, had CE1.. believe roccos did as well..
Were there German Rabbits of the same year as American Rabbits? And they have different wiring? That's crazy! Why did they do that?
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in america in 1979 diesels were made in germany and gassers were made in westmoreland, i think they had the same wiring harness tho. 81 and up the westmoreland cars had their own harness, i think it was because they used american made parts in the rabbits, so they had an american wiring harness with american made switches.
I found a westy gasser mkI cluster with a tach and the connecttor is the same as the caddy cluster. If I plug the gasser cluster into the (diesel) caddy connector, will anything get fried? I know the tach won't work w/o additional work, also glow plug light is missing but should temp and fuel gauge work?
How should I go about it so it's the least amount of work and end up with a working tach?
nothing will get fried
Yes the rabbit tach cluster is almost identical from behind, you'll actually want to swap the center section and membrane from ur current cluster over to the tach cluster to retain the glow plug light
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in america in 1979 diesels were made in germany and gassers were made in westmoreland, i think they had the same wiring harness tho. 81 and up the westmoreland cars had their own harness, i think it was because they used american made parts in the rabbits, so they had an american wiring harness with american made switches.
I found a westy gasser mkI cluster with a tach and the connecttor is the same as the caddy cluster. If I plug the gasser cluster into the (diesel) caddy connector, will anything get fried? I know the tach won't work w/o additional work, also glow plug light is missing but should temp and fuel gauge work?
How should I go about it so it's the least amount of work and end up with a working tach?
nothing will get fried
Yes the rabbit tach cluster is almost identical from behind, you'll actually want to swap the center section and membrane from ur current cluster over to the tach cluster to retain the glow plug light
Thanks!
Here's pics of the gasser cluster. What are the red white blue wires on the speedo for? They're not on the diesel cluster.
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121115_101251.jpg)
(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x480/Ecodiesel92/IMG_20121115_101309.jpg)
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Honestly I'm not sure, it's some type of speed sensor I'm not sure if it was for cruise control or the shift light or both or what
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Honestly I'm not sure, it's some type of speed sensor I'm not sure if it was for cruise control or the shift light or both or what
I have the cluster apart and traced the red wire to the OSX LED so it must be a counter/ switch in the speedo to tell you when to change the oxygen sensor.
As for using this Rabbit gasser tach in a diesel, what are you triggering it with?
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Honestly I'm not sure, it's some type of speed sensor I'm not sure if it was for cruise control or the shift light or both or what
I have the cluster apart and traced the red wire to the OSX LED so it must be a counter/ switch in the speedo to tell you when to change the oxygen sensor.
As for using this Rabbit gasser tach in a diesel, what are you triggering it with?
its the o2 sensor counter..
its integrated into the speedo on these cars..
no little black box like on mk2 cars..
should be able to hook up the tach with a magnetic pickup, and drive it..