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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: 92EcoDiesel Jetta on October 02, 2012, 01:40:34 pm
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Good to see it being worked! I used to have one years ago as a parts chaser but here in the UK all the cool kids want them and values have risen too far now. :(
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Yea i remember one on ebay 3-4 yrs ago that had rust holes in the bed and it went for like 8k...disgusting.....i miss my truck.it was great for the home depot runs and whatnot...ya always have a friend when ya got a truck...hey buddy can ya pick this up for me? :)
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I've only had this caddy for a few weeks and I've gotten at least 4 comments on how nice it is, that they haven't seen one in a long time, and do I want to sell it. ;D
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I have bought a couple but haven't been able to get them home yet to work on due to other projects. Never driven one.
Just curious what happens to the rear end with that much weight? I thought I read they have a max load of like 1000 pounds or so. At that point would they be squatting on the stoppers?
I want to be able to pick up a few engines like that at a time as well but don't want to make it squat. Was planning on leaving it at stock ride height/tires.
Also want to be able to take gear and a couple dirtbikes but that shouldn't be an issue.
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You can install a pair of corvette air shocks, ~$90 at autozone. Worked great on my caddy, easy-peasy.
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I have bought a couple but haven't been able to get them home yet to work on due to other projects. Never driven one.
Just curious what happens to the rear end with that much weight? I thought I read they have a max load of like 1000 pounds or so. At that point would they be squatting on the stoppers?
I want to be able to pick up a few engines like that at a time as well but don't want to make it squat. Was planning on leaving it at stock ride height/tires.
Also want to be able to take gear and a couple dirtbikes but that shouldn't be an issue.
The caddy was not that squat down with what I was carrying. The hoist I estimate to be somewhere between 200 to 300 lbs. How much is the 1.6 engine with a turbo? Around 450 lbs? I also had a tool box of around 75 lbs and other parts I took back with me about another 100 lbs for a total of around 800 lbs. I would have liked to put the engine further forward but was not able to with the hoist so the front end did feel a bit on the light side which affected handling. I was not able to maintain speed going up some hills, dropped down to 40 to 45 mph at the top of the hill (from approaching it at 65). Time for governor mod?
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You can install a pair of corvette air shocks, ~$90 at autozone. Worked great on my caddy, easy-peasy.
Tell me more. Can you pump these shocks up/down for adjustable height?
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I mis-spoke (typed)... they were Beetle air-shocks. :-[
I got the shocks at AutoZone for ~$75.
72-73 Beetle
Gabriel
#49307
Extension: 16.35"
Colapse: 10.75"
Stroke: 5.6"
More on Caddy chocks here: http://www.4crawler.com/Diesel/CheapTricks/RearSuspension.shtml#Shocks
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1.6 with turbo I believe is between 200 and 225. They are pretty light.
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225 lbs? Gotta be heavier than that. Too bad I already unloaded the engine and disassembled the hoist otherwise I'd try weighing it on a bathroom scale,
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Nah they aren't that heavy...mid 200s believe it or not...I've lifted one up in a sheer panic :-X
under normal conditions though they are heavy to lift by hand :)
sell it to a vw lovr though :)
wish I had room for another :(
a transaxle is around 75 I know that much
yea vws are 1/2 ton pickups..if I remember right wasn't that a selling point?more weight capacity than a nissan or toyota?
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I would guess a turbo engine with all accessories, no tranny is more than 225. I bear hugged one out of a lifted pickup bed and was able to walk it across the garage and dropped it onto some tires. I wouldn't even try to get it off the ground, something in my back would break for sure.
Definately sounds like they can take a bigger load than I expected, figured they would pop a wheelie :)
What about tires, can you even buy load d or e tires?
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Even with airshocks and lowered(on 2" square tube) bump stops mine wasn't great for hauling, but it tried hard, and did really well unloaded.
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Shipping Weights:1-Block 80 lbs2-Head 35 lbs3-Crank 38 lbs4-Rods 6 lbs5-Pistons 8 lbs6-Oil Pump 5 lbs7-Oil Pan & Valve Cover 8 lbs8-Gasket Set & Bearings 3 lbsTotal Weight For Kit 183 lbs
That was pulled from the hillbilly forum. I assume it to be accurate, that is no turbo or IP though. The 1.6 is very light IMHO.
I put 4 VW diesels in my jetta. 1 -1.6 and 3 AAZ, also some misc parts. Mine didn't have the cylinder heads attached, but had all acc., oil pans, and flywheels. Basically, a running engine with the cylinder head off. The AAZ with just the block and crank and bearings weighs 147lbs and the rods weigh around 15lbs so I think the weight averaged for the 4 were right at the 200lb mark. The one flywheel was the 02a type and I bet weighs 25lbs. I had the front and rear seats out, but I drove it from Niagra falls NY to 44611 Ohio no problem. Plus I weighed around 250 at that time.
All that to say I would hope the truck could carry 1/2 ton stock, easily, forever, with no harm, or they didn't make them that great. I still had suspension travel ... not much but come on.
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GVW is the same as a regular rabbit, you are pretty much there with 2 big guys in the cab.
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The engine in the pic (w clutch, no starter, no alt no ac comp) felt a lot heavier than 225 lbs when I had to walk it from the engine bay (where it was dropped on the ground) to the hoist. I may set the hoist up again to steady the engine so I can run it on the ground. If I do that I'll try to weigh it.
Did a mpg check before price at the pump goes up. 398 miles 9 gal which is 44.2 mpg. Not too shabby considering 180 of those miles were carrying the engine and hoist.
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Yea not bad at all..hey get used to it!!
its great throwin in 10$ and actually getting somewhere:)
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I have bought a couple but haven't been able to get them home yet to work on due to other projects. Never driven one.
Just curious what happens to the rear end with that much weight? I thought I read they have a max load of like 1000 pounds or so. At that point would they be squatting on the stoppers?
I want to be able to pick up a few engines like that at a time as well but don't want to make it squat. Was planning on leaving it at stock ride height/tires.
Also want to be able to take gear and a couple dirtbikes but that shouldn't be an issue.
The caddy was not that squat down with what I was carrying. The hoist I estimate to be somewhere between 200 to 300 lbs. How much is the 1.6 engine with a turbo? Around 450 lbs? I also had a tool box of around 75 lbs and other parts I took back with me about another 100 lbs for a total of around 800 lbs. I would have liked to put the engine further forward but was not able to with the hoist so the front end did feel a bit on the light side which affected handling. I was not able to maintain speed going up some hills, dropped down to 40 to 45 mph at the top of the hill (from approaching it at 65). Time for governor mod?
engine hoist is under 150#s
engine is around 250#s
i imagine you had 5-600 lbs in the bed, not 1000+ like you thought..
if you had 1000#s in the bed, it would barely move..
beware guys, you can BEND a caddy right in the middle..
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I have bought a couple but haven't been able to get them home yet to work on due to other projects. Never driven one.
Just curious what happens to the rear end with that much weight? I thought I read they have a max load of like 1000 pounds or so. At that point would they be squatting on the stoppers?
I want to be able to pick up a few engines like that at a time as well but don't want to make it squat. Was planning on leaving it at stock ride height/tires.
Also want to be able to take gear and a couple dirtbikes but that shouldn't be an issue.
The caddy was not that squat down with what I was carrying. The hoist I estimate to be somewhere between 200 to 300 lbs. How much is the 1.6 engine with a turbo? Around 450 lbs? I also had a tool box of around 75 lbs and other parts I took back with me about another 100 lbs for a total of around 800 lbs. I would have liked to put the engine further forward but was not able to with the hoist so the front end did feel a bit on the light side which affected handling. I was not able to maintain speed going up some hills, dropped down to 40 to 45 mph at the top of the hill (from approaching it at 65). Time for governor mod?
engine hoist is under 150#s
engine is around 250#s
i imagine you had 5-600 lbs in the bed, not 1000+ like you thought..
if you had 1000#s in the bed, it would barely move..
beware guys, you can BEND a caddy right in the middle..
I have bought a couple but haven't been able to get them home yet to work on due to other projects. Never driven one.
Just curious what happens to the rear end with that much weight? I thought I read they have a max load of like 1000 pounds or so. At that point would they be squatting on the stoppers?
I want to be able to pick up a few engines like that at a time as well but don't want to make it squat. Was planning on leaving it at stock ride height/tires.
Also want to be able to take gear and a couple dirtbikes but that shouldn't be an issue.
The caddy was not that squat down with what I was carrying. The hoist I estimate to be somewhere between 200 to 300 lbs. How much is the 1.6 engine with a turbo? Around 450 lbs? I also had a tool box of around 75 lbs and other parts I took back with me about another 100 lbs for a total of around 800 lbs. I would have liked to put the engine further forward but was not able to with the hoist so the front end did feel a bit on the light side which affected handling. I was not able to maintain speed going up some hills, dropped down to 40 to 45 mph at the top of the hill (from approaching it at 65). Time for governor mod?
engine hoist is under 150#s
engine is around 250#s
i imagine you had 5-600 lbs in the bed, not 1000+ like you thought..
if you had 1000#s in the bed, it would barely move..
beware guys, you can BEND a caddy right in the middle..
I never said 1000 pounds. Got any pics of the Caddy bed bending? How many pounds does it take to do that?
Picked up another load of parts frim the 91 Eco with 60k miles. subframes, struts, axles, ac cond, radiator, climate evap/ blower, engine bottom steel cover, brake booster ac comp and lines, pwr steering rack, lines, pump, f
reservoir assembly and 2 Mercedes fenders( thanks JBG3). Bed was full but much lighter than the last load ( Engine and hoist) and I can feel the difference while driving.
My engine hoist feels heavier than 150. I will weigh the pieces and add'em up.
Funny my accelerator pedal fell to the floor while I was driving to pick up the parts. turned out a plastic bushing on the accelerator linkage broke and came apart. I was able to hook it back on but it would fall to the floor again if tension is released on the pedal. Didn't have duct tape or zip ties which would have held it together. Borrowed some from JBG3 and made it home w/o dropping to the floor again. Now I have to go buy or make a bushing.
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I once made a run to the battery shop for my old job to pick up 40 optima batteries
yea,40....they weigh about 40 pounds anyways,so thats only 800 pounds.it took it with stride
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I once made a run to the battery shop for my old job to pick up 40 optima batteries
yea,40....they weigh about 40 pounds anyways,so thats only 800 pounds.it took it with stride
Do you still have ur truck? I have the Jetta GL emblem btw
Just finished putting the heator core in - don't have to freeze my nuts off anymore lol. Old core's made of brass. Surprised it pinholed. I'll post pics later.
Also pimped my glow plugs manually, done by modifying OE glow relay and no additional relay required. No butchering of OE wiring either. Has a built in buzzer which sounds when glowing. cluster LED indicates actual glow time. Really sweet setup. I have a few spares which I may modify and sell here. Very easy- unplug your relay and plug mine in and mount the manual switch somewhere and you're done. Anyone interested?
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Do you still have ur truck? I have the Jetta GL emblem btw
Just finished putting the heator core in - don't have to freeze my nuts off anymore lol. Old core's made of brass. Surprised it pinholed. I'll post pics later.
Also pimped my glow plugs manually, done by modifying OE glow relay and no additional relay required. No butchering of OE wiring either. Has a built in buzzer which sounds when glowing. cluster LED indicates actual glow time. Really sweet setup. I have a few spares which I may modify and sell here. Very easy- unplug your relay and plug mine in and mount the manual switch somewhere and you're done. Anyone interested?
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I might be interested, you should start a thread for this with the price and what not
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Do you still have ur truck? I have the Jetta GL emblem btw
Just finished putting the heator core in - don't have to freeze my nuts off anymore lol. Old core's made of brass. Surprised it pinholed. I'll post pics later.
Also pimped my glow plugs manually, done by modifying OE glow relay and no additional relay required. No butchering of OE wiring either. Has a built in buzzer which sounds when glowing. cluster LED indicates actual glow time. Really sweet setup. I have a few spares which I may modify and sell here. Very easy- unplug your relay and plug mine in and mount the manual switch somewhere and you're done. Anyone interested?
I might be interested, you should start a thread for this with the price and what not
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I will modify a glow plug relay, take some pics and post it up in the for sale section sometime next week.
Here are some pics of the heater core
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I dont have the truck anymore sadly..well i think part of its around.rabbittree cut it in half and kept the bed to turn into a trailer for his caddy.its been out of commission since probably 03...
good deal on the emblems,gotta get them from ya somehow...
lol i was probably down that way last night,i drove sooty down to north salem cause im a dumass and left my fluke meter at a jobsite.
did the trick about pushing the pedals down help to get the heater core out?
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did the trick about pushing the pedals down help to get the heater core out?
The pedals were in the way and had to be pressed down. I removed the 4 screws in the rain tray that holds the entire box which I was able to swing out and that gave a lot of room for the heater core to slide out. Could it have been done without removing those 4 screws? It was a *** getting them (screws) back in.
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I've hauled 16 bags of 60 pound concrete mix in mine. Did OK but I was very aware of the weight back there the whole time. And adding a front sway bar went up a notch on my to-do list.
Speaking of which, I'm very glad to see that aluminum heater core. I'm going to have to replace mine sometime. My experience with heater cores is that the small finned aluminum ones put out noticeably more heat than the old style brass ones. I had change the core in my wife's old Explorer twice. First for a leak. Second because the brass replacement barely heated and I had to find her an OEM type aluminum replacement. I will be making sure the one I get will be a Meyle as pictured. When I run out of excuses for postponing that job.
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Also pimped my glow plugs manually, done by modifying OE glow relay and no additional relay required. No butchering of OE wiring either. Has a built in buzzer which sounds when glowing. cluster LED indicates actual glow time. Really sweet setup. I have a few spares which I may modify and sell here. Very easy- unplug your relay and plug mine in and mount the manual switch somewhere and you're done. Anyone interested?
I might be interested, you should start a thread for this with the price and what not
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As requested:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=32285.0
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I've hauled 16 bags of 60 pound concrete mix in mine. Did OK but I was very aware of the weight back there the whole time. And adding a front sway bar went up a notch on my to-do list.
Speaking of which, I'm very glad to see that aluminum heater core. I'm going to have to replace mine sometime. My experience with heater cores is that the small finned aluminum ones put out noticeably more heat than the old style brass ones. I had change the core in my wife's old Explorer twice. First for a leak. Second because the brass replacement barely heated and I had to find her an OEM type aluminum replacement. I will be making sure the one I get will be a Meyle as pictured. When I run out of excuses for postponing that job.
The aluminum heater core is putting out a lot of heat. The only concern I have in the long run is that as the tightly spaced fins plug up with debris, heat output will decrease. Maybe I'll look into installing a cabin air filter under the rain tray to prolong the heater core from plugging up and get better air quality at the same time.
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The Caddy is doing well with the work I've been putting into it. One thing I do notice is that it has much less power compared to my 92 Ecodiesel. I really wish it has power steering. I cannot make quick turns at a standstill which I consider unsafe.
Will the power steering from a 91 Ecodiesel fit the 81 Caddy (I have the complete assembly including reservoir from a 91 EcoD)? I love the simplicity of the Caddy with just one accessory belt and do not really want to change that. Since I only need power steering assist during standstill maneuvers, I was thinking of driving the power steering pump only when below 2 to 5 MPH with an electric motor (stepper motor for better torque). What do you think? How much power do I need to drive the power steering pump?
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The Caddy is doing well with the work I've been putting into it. One thing I do notice is that it has much less power compared to my 92 Ecodiesel. I really wish it has power steering. I cannot make quick turns at a standstill which I consider unsafe.
Will the power steering from a 91 Ecodiesel fit the 81 Caddy (I have the complete assembly including reservoir from a 91 EcoD)? I love the simplicity of the Caddy with just one accessory belt and do not really want to change that. Since I only need power steering assist during standstill maneuvers, I was thinking of driving the power steering pump only when below 2 to 5 MPH with an electric motor (stepper motor for better torque). What do you think? How much power do I need to drive the power steering pump?
well, to install power steering on a mk1, you need a full mk1 powersteering setup..
the mk2 pump might fit on the engine, and you might be able to route the lines out of the way enough, but it will never be right..
mk1s dont even need power steering.. the only time i ever wanted it, was when i had 205mm tires on it..
anyways, you cant install a mk2 steering rack in a mk1 car, its just too different..
most mk1 cars never had power steering..
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One cool thing about a mk1 power rack tho is less turns lock to lock.it would be nice to be able to swap a power rack+pinion into a non power" case" for a nicer steering ratio....just disconnecting the ps hoses is lame imo
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I installed PS on my Caddy. Unit came from a Scirrocco. You must also change the steering column to rack U-joint shaft. Used it first with MK2 (85) V-belt with AAZ and with AAZ with serpentine.
My Caddy is a daily driver, no right lane slug. While MK1 Caddy never had cruise control, mine also has that. It will pull any speed above 28MPH on cruise, something no stock MK1 will do. Any speed. 75-90 on cruise. YES. Back off on hills- no.
Parking is so much easier. Now that I have serpentine. It too is a must. Also don't have stock wheels. Or stock radio.
I could never go back. If I had to drive a Caddy without PS and cruise, I'd stop driving them.
Make it like you want it, and drive it like you love it.
...mk1s dont even need power steering.. the only time i ever wanted it, was when i had 205mm tires on it..
anyways, you cant install a mk2 steering rack in a mk1 car, its just too different..
most mk1 cars never had power steering..
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engine hoist is under 150#s
engine is around 250#s
i imagine you had 5-600 lbs in the bed, not 1000+ like you thought..
if you had 1000#s in the bed, it would barely move..
beware guys, you can BEND a caddy right in the middle..
Today, I weighed each piece of my engine hoist and added them up and it is 275 lbs. I used a digital bathroom scale with a resolution of 0.5 lb.
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It states here (http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/1980pickup/5.jpg) that the payload for the rabbit pickup is 1100lbs. Another source I found said 565Kg. This makes me think that the truck would still move with 1000lbs in it, and isn't anywhere near bending at that point.
I know European trucks are weight rated by what the engine can handle, not by the suspension, but I would think that the frame is designed to handle a bit more than the weight rating.
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I would think that the frame is designed to handle a bit more than the weight rating.
Generally speaking, I would think they would design it this way as well.
Also, 1000# isn't even that much weight. If you were gonna carry that much regularly I'd suggest extra bed to body bracing.. but still 1000# isn't that much weight. 4 average sized guys in the bed? I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of more than that chillen in a bed of one at those big car shows.
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I would think that the frame is designed to handle a bit more than the weight rating.
Generally speaking, I would think they would design it this way as well.
Also, 1000# isn't even that much weight. If you were gonna carry that much regularly I'd suggest extra bed to body bracing.. but still 1000# isn't that much weight. 4 average sized guys in the bed? I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of more than that chillen in a bed of one at those big car shows.
4 average size guys 1000 lbs? Naah. Mabe 4 fat chicks in the bed lol.
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I would think that the frame is designed to handle a bit more than the weight rating.
Generally speaking, I would think they would design it this way as well.
Also, 1000# isn't even that much weight. If you were gonna carry that much regularly I'd suggest extra bed to body bracing.. but still 1000# isn't that much weight. 4 average sized guys in the bed? I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of more than that chillen in a bed of one at those big car shows.
4 average size guys 1000 lbs? Naah. Mabe 4 fat chicks in the bed lol.
That's why you get the "no fat chicks" sticker for your truck.
I wish I had my caddy on the road a couple weeks ago. I went to pick up an engine and trans for the caddy, as well as a bunch of rabbit parts. Managed to get it all into the back of the rabbit. Pulled it fine with 2 guys, 1.6D, 020 trans, radiators, alternators, 2 boxes of wiring and trim pieces. That is except for one long hill that got me down to 75km/h in third.
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I had airshocks with about 1000 lb leveling capacity in my Caddy, and when I had to have them full, brakes, tires, and chassis rigidity were all obviously lacking. I even had added a lower tie bar and front sway.
Putting around the paddock with 4 fatties in the bed is not the same as evading a road gator on the freeway.
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I had airshocks with about 1000 lb leveling capacity in my Caddy, and when I had to have them full, brakes, tires, and chassis rigidity were all obviously lacking. I even had added a lower tie bar and front sway.
Putting around the paddock with 4 fatties in the bed is not the same as evading a road gator on the freeway.
The words in the third sentence seem to be English, but the meaning is completely lost. I wouldn't ever assume the pickup would handle well with 1000lbs in the ass end, but even a ranger or an S10 rides like a bag of *** once you get over 600 or 700lbs sitting on or behind the rear axle. Those are actual box-on-frame trucks too, not just hacked up passenger cars. The fact that a caddy can haul an acceptable amount of stuff and get better mileage than even the best econo-box on the North American market today is impressive. It doesn't need to be a sports car as well.
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What I mean is that if you are loaded near 1000 lbs, and you get into a bad situation, you will probably crash, because no part of the car is ready to handle it, even with the suspension sitting level. I wouldn't really call an S10 or Ranger a truck either, they only have 5 bolt wheels.
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My old 81 LX with 650K+ has a bit of a bowed bed, and waved fore/aft as well.
I've had it filled level with bricks, front to back. Bout 80 miles of that cost
very little fuel and a set of rear wheel bearings. :)
I've had 400lbs in the bed and towed a heli refueling station that was half full,
probly 800lbs. That wasn't fun with a NA 1.6 but it was flat ground in the midwest
thankfully. We had an engine lift and a turbine for a downed medical bird in there out in a field
in Kansas once, they aren't all that heavy but it was MUCH easier getting the thing
swapped in and out of the nice low to the ground Caddy bed than the other grown-up
trucks. Ah the memories...
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Gators..road gators..
a shredded tire laying in the road just sitting there waitin to bite your undercarrage.
Its bigtruck speak.
truckers,good dudes!
This was rollin 80e thru pa in the middle of the night.
ya cant tell in this pic but it was trucks as far as you could see.
pretty :)
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Def an owner operator,sorry for the quality
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