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Title: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: shwak23 on September 21, 2012, 02:02:32 pm
How do I stop it now?
It is the one in the center of the delivery valves. It isn't the 13 mm bolt that is leaking. Its the triangle thing receiving it.
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Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: libbydiesel on September 21, 2012, 03:00:37 pm
Get a 24mm 12 point socket and remove 6 points-3 sets of two points separated by two points that are not removed.  Loosen it.  Swap the o-ring.  Tighten it back up to 55-60 ft-lbs.
Title: Re: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: shwak23 on September 21, 2012, 03:02:43 pm
So I can loosen it and swap ring without removing it? What happens if I remove it?

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Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: libbydiesel on September 21, 2012, 03:21:24 pm
A small amount of fuel might drip out, but otherwise, nothing happens. 
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: 8v-of-fury on September 21, 2012, 04:08:21 pm
So I can loosen it and swap ring without removing it? What happens if I remove it?

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You do not have to remove the pump, and removing the large triangular plug will not affect anything inside the pump. Obviously clean the area really well, and don't get any dirt in there. I have these seals on hand, PM me if you would like one. :)
Title: Re: Re: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: shwak23 on September 21, 2012, 08:07:33 pm
So I can loosen it and swap ring without removing it? What happens if I remove it?

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You do not have to remove the pump, and removing the large triangular plug will not affect anything inside the pump. Obviously clean the area really well, and don't get any dirt in there. I have these seals on hand, PM me if you would like one. :)

Hey guys thanks for the advice. I got it all fixed. I had a seal kit here so it all went very quickly.

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Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: CarlosA on September 21, 2012, 08:20:55 pm
As an aside - what year is this large triangle bolt on? I haven`t seen it on early NA pumps, but I ordered a few Bosch tools and thought i`d throw it in on my next order just to have around.
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: 8v-of-fury on September 21, 2012, 08:23:29 pm
As an aside - what year is this large triangle bolt on? I haven`t seen it on early NA pumps, but I ordered a few Bosch tools and thought i`d throw it in on my next order just to have around.

Nearly every Bosch VE pump, Volkswagen, Land Rover, Cummins, Peugeot.. 1975-200X for sure on the Volkswagen stuff. Yours has it, I guarantee it. Dead center of the delivery valves;

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Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: CarlosA on September 22, 2012, 10:50:23 am
Got it .. I didn't even realize since I haven`t had to remove it. ;)
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: 8v-of-fury on September 22, 2012, 11:23:40 am
There is an O ring behind there that is subject to the high pressures of the pump.. So next time you are able i suggest changing it :).
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on September 22, 2012, 11:45:15 am
There is an O ring behind there that is subject to the high pressures of the pump.. So next time you are able i suggest changing it :).

doesnt it see the INJECTION pressures? and not the internal pressures?

thats gotta be a pretty damn tough o-ring..
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: libbydiesel on September 22, 2012, 01:08:35 pm
No it doesn't see injection pressure.  The big triangular nut does a metal on metal seal around the end of the plunger bore.  The o-ring just seals internal pressure. I don't think there are any rubber o-rings made that will withstand injection pressure. 
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: 8v-of-fury on September 22, 2012, 01:09:46 pm
Should have specified the high internal pressures, not injection pressure.
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on September 22, 2012, 01:11:22 pm
No it doesn't see injection pressure.  The big triangular nut does a metal on metal seal around the end of the plunger bore.  The o-ring just seals internal pressure. I don't think there are any rubber o-rings made that will withstand injection pressure. 

but the plunger is directly behind the triangle nut..

how does it NOT see plunger pressure?!

we are talking about the triangular nut that we screw our adapter into to check timing, right?
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: libbydiesel on September 22, 2012, 01:45:01 pm
Like I said, the triangular nut seals metal on metal to the end of the bore of the plunger.  There is a thin machined ridge that seals against the distributor head.  The o-ring is outside that metal on metal seal and merely seals the edge of the triangular nut against internal pressure.  The area of the triangular nut inside the metal sealing ridge sees injectionl pressure, but the o-ring does not.  
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: EcoTX on September 23, 2012, 09:39:21 am
I use a 1" wrench to get it out.  Only works with all delivery vanes out though...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/dedfrog/INJ%20PUMP/pump61_zpsaf465974.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/dedfrog/INJ%20PUMP/pump62_zpsb4996013.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/dedfrog/INJ%20PUMP/pump63_zps0e43ee4a.jpg)


Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: 8v-of-fury on September 23, 2012, 11:17:25 am
That pump needs a good cleaning, which I trust will be done before re-assembly? ;)
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: hillfolk'r on September 23, 2012, 09:09:37 pm
Shoot guys we gotta do a" homemade pump/engine tool" thread...
i got one...
same but different..
dad made this up on the bridgeport quick to remove the delivery valve in the vehicle. ..can be duplicated with a grinder/cutoff wheel and a solid chunk o' steel
He even put a coupla flats on the top to use an adjustable wrench on
shoot ya may even be able to grind on a socket,but it may flex too much if that sucker is tight,like mine was
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Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: hillfolk'r on September 23, 2012, 09:17:04 pm
Grind that slot like 2 inches deeper and ya got a valvespring compressor tool where u can reach in and grab the keepers with a magnet....
make a little stub on the end and u can chuck it in your drill press,and use your drill press to compress the springs...
i got 2 drill presses..a beater one and a nice one
yea even at my old engine shop,they used an adjustable wrench,but on the reassembly they used the ground out socket,as described
Title: Re: Rear triangle injection pump thing.... leaks
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on September 25, 2012, 12:49:01 pm
Like I said, the triangular nut seals metal on metal to the end of the bore of the plunger.  There is a thin machined ridge that seals against the distributor head.  The o-ring is outside that metal on metal seal and merely seals the edge of the triangular nut against internal pressure.  The area of the triangular nut inside the metal sealing ridge sees injectionl pressure, but the o-ring does not.  

AH HA!!

thank you for the explanation.. i totally understand now.