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General Information => General => Topic started by: wdkingery on February 04, 2012, 05:15:29 pm
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OK guys.. i have finally put the setup together, found the fuel, etc. So here it is.
I am creating this thread to let you know (And other future searchers) what i'm doing, how it's going, and give ya'll a place to tell me i'm insane, place bets on how long this will last, etc etc. General degrading banter.
ORCoaster: i will be updating my fuelly with the miles per paid gallon. so, in my current situation, i'm averaging 46 MPG, but now i am adding WMO at a rate of 50%. So my current 46 mpg will be reflected on fuelly as 92 MPG, as that's how many miles i'm getting for the gallons i've purchased.
So, on to the setup!
a 55 gallon drum, mainly motor oil, but also about 10 gallons ATF. (i got it all free off craigslist)
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3130/imag0813s.jpg)
and this is a 1 micron bag filter:
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5241/imag0814a.jpg)
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in the first 100 miles, i noticed:
more power, quieter.. much better idle!
bucking at low speed stopped.
can idle with headlights on now, and the dash doesn't fall out in my lap anymore
Cold starts have gone much better!
Beginning mileage : 192870 (not the car's mileage)
Oil change: 193400
Car runs much hotter, especially in stop and go.
1500 miles in: added a lift pump. Diesel clack returned. City fuel mileage lower on wmo
3000 miles in: tried to run it on virtually straight WMO (over 90% motor oil to less than 10% diesel) .. car does run, smokey, less power, fuel mileage about 20% lower (37 instead of 47 mpg) .. did run tho; cost per mile at $4.09 a gallon for what little diesel i put in it: 2.1 cents per mile; $7 to go 300 miles!
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beware, that crap stains everything, and makes a mess in your pump too..
even if you switch from that to regular diesel, your clear feed lines will be BLACK for about 2-3 tanks afterwards..
too bad we couldnt get al the SOOT out of motor oil.. its bad crap.
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beware, that crap stains everything, and makes a mess in your pump too..
even if you switch from that to regular diesel, your clear feed lines will be BLACK for about 2-3 tanks afterwards..
too bad we couldnt get al the SOOT out of motor oil.. its bad crap.
yeah i'm bettin the 1 micron bag filter is going to take care of me on that one.
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its still BLACK.. thats from soot..
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Save these pictures for comparing to the setup 6 to 7 months from now. My son had a veg oil setup in the back next to the shed and when he was done with it about two years later the place was gooey in oil. I just dug it all up and turned the soil over. Best to have it processed under ground. Smelled on hot, 70 degree, days.
Are you mixing this waste oil in with regular diesel in some regulated portions?
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1 What kinda car / engine / InjPump are in this deal ?
2 Are you diluting 50/50 before straining/filtering ?
It would prob make the process go faster.
3 I know a few who do this in the warmer months 50/50.
If it saves you $1000 a year on fuel, and costs $200 every couple years for another good used NA Inj Pump and a reseal kit - thats good math.
I wouldn't put the new math numbers up on Fuelly.
Will either look artificial - or raise suspicions.
ahem its not DOT/EPA approved
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wd can you test the acid level on this "new fuel" you have going into the black turd?
Seems it is more acid than diesel and thereby it can shorten the life of just about anything it touches. Watch those fuel lines.
Remember what doesn't kill ya will make you stronger. Hope this comes out for the best for you.
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Mk2's have a plastic gas tank yes, and plastic lines? If it were higher acid level, would you then have to worry about the plastic goings on in the tank?? and the tank itself??
This leads me to believe that if I were planning to do the same, i could be further ahead in some ways. Metal tank, metal lines. I think I would add metal fittings in instead of having the rubber hoses go from tank to lines, and lines to filter/pump. Mind you you would still need the one rubber hose to go to the pump, but it would be short and easily accessible/replaceable.
Kev, I dont think the soot will be an issue, as he said he is filtering down to 1 micron. 1/100th of a human hair, even if there is still soot in there it is too small to do any harm.
BVZ, totally agree, but how many pumps will be readily available couple years from now? People are getting wise on the diesel scene! LOL
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I've been running W85 as they call it (approx 85% WMO/15% RUG) blended up to 50% with diesel for the last 10,000 kms. It is a bit time consuming and messy, but has worked ok for the most part. One thing you will find with burning WMO in these engines is the injector heatshield hole will plug up with hard carbon deposits. I had to get an e-test so I stopped adding WMO for a while. Ran it on pump fuel until the fuel lines were finally clear again and there was still smoke from exhaust at idle. Removed injectors and found heat shield holes coked up. Cleaned them and smoking cleared up. Someone here had the same issue with a MB diesel: http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f22/. That site is a great source of info for WMO users.
I filter down to 2 microns however I'm not convinced WMO will not cause accelerated inj pump wear. There are huge quantities of abrasive sub micron particles in WMO. I am trying this out largely as an experiment--I do not need to rely on this car for daily transport.
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That valve is on good plase to drein good oil,but you put too much flow,it take me 4 h min to fill 25 lit.
Do this ONLY after min 1 week of settling.Please tell me you have another valve on BOTTOM for bad oil.
Did you read infopopop?
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1 What kinda car / engine / InjPump are in this deal ?
1985 jetta na diesel 1.6
Save these pictures for comparing to the setup 6 to 7 months from now. My son had a veg oil setup in the back next to the shed and when he was done with it about two years later the place was gooey in oil. I just dug it all up and turned the soil over. Best to have it processed under ground. Smelled on hot, 70 degree, days.
Are you mixing this waste oil in with regular diesel in some regulated portions?
HAHAHA i saw that writing on the wall as i began this process.. slowly everything is becomin shiny ;D the only thing i am worried about is the smell; dont' really need the neighbors complainin.
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Motor oil doesn't even smell compared to decomposing vegetable oil. Ever walk past those dumpsters or bins back behind a resturant. That rank smell is generally not the cooking in process. It is the waste oil in the collection bin. Eeeuuuuuwww.
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Use the WMO to heat your shop and save the (eventually dwindling) of good used injection pumps! We are seriously screwed once we have to rely upon the crap that Prothe peddles! Not only is running this black crap ILLEGAL it is far from good to be exhausting into fellow motorists faces no to mention the atmosphere!
The HAHAHA response to OR Coaster's warning about turning your yard into a toxic waste site leads me to believe you are a bit immature...I thought that was what the VWVORTEX is for....
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GTiTDi, since most of us use both forums I am not sure that can be true. No one gets screened, that would take half the fun out of this place.
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Al Gore called, he wants global warming back.
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?????
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Al Gore called, he wants global warming back.
You need to buy some carbon offsets
btw .... i have some for lease
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Al Gore called, he wants global warming back.
How old are you ? 16? ::)
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Al Gore called, he wants global warming back.
How old are you ? 16? ::)
18 tops.. lol...
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He has to be older than that guys. What 16 or 18 yr old even knows who Al G. is/was or what the comment means. Have any of you seen the recent crackdown on soot? Court case against the EPA to revise the standards. Guess what type of engine is targeted? Yeah you buddy, pouring coals, or in some case fryer fat or WMO, out the tail pipe.
As for Warming? Not as bad last year as the news makes it out to be. Actually a little cooler over all. Just that the news emphasizes the extremes. Like Texas last year and Europe this winter. Man I am so glad I am not trying to keep a Rabbit running in those temps. Even 8V would find it difficult. -39 degrees? Just how cold is that? Do your eyes just like freeze closed with the first blink?
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Al Gore called, he wants global warming back.
You need to buy some carbon offsets
btw .... i have some for lease
This is the best, most educated comment.
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You can't honestly believe that anything we do today as people is anywhere near as bad as what was being done at the turn of the 20th century..
WDK, congratulations to you for setting that shiiz up. Looks like an a-ok setup, whats wrong with it? It is the same as how anyone would store used oil.. probably better than most.
ORCoaster, in your immature ways you should have seen that turning over oily soil is bad for the environment ;) However, what of putting it back in to the earth? Are we not helping out technically? lol
Not all young people are ignorant, just most.
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I read somewhere that people were taking WMO and building their own cracking tower and coming up with some diesel from that. Anyone try that?
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Anyone capable of building a cracking tower has more money than sense. Why not just go buy diesel instead. Unless they got a deal on it from BP or Shell Oil I can't see where it would pay off at all.
Is the EPA aware of this? Seems to be on their radar lately.
I would think cold filtration would have bigger benefits and less energy consumption.
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ORCoaster- it`s not much $,a little more danger of corse,but they (if can) get something close to D and color
is LIKE disel (they lose ~15% + wmo for heating).
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1100 miles in, I've done some calculations:
3.79 a gallon divided by 47 mpg = .084 cents per mile times 15k miles = $1260. So, @ the current rate of 50/50 wmo/diesel I'll save $630 in 15k.
I bought 4 injectors used for $20, paid $450 for a remanned IP, and have approximately $50 in filters, containers and fuel.
So in about 14k miles I will have broke even assuming I wipe out the pump and all 4 injectors.
In 30k miles I will have paid for the pump, injectors, and the $800 I paid for the car, assuming nothing goes wrong (which is my bet.)
I drive on average 1500 miles a month.
During the summer I hope to run near full wmo, saving $120 per month.
And, given Iran just started cutting fuel supply, the current obummer president, etc. I think it's a valid assumption that fuel prices will go up, meaning I stand to save $150+ a month.
8 months of $150-month savings will pay for the car and an IP, or 16 months @ the current rate of 50/50.
Or, assuming nothing goes wrong, 6 months of 50/50 and 6 months if 100% wmo will save me $1400 a year.
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I wouldn't go 100% wmo even in July August.
Really wouldn't go past 50/50 - not saying it won't run/work - thinking of other factors including viscosity and accelerated residual build.
50/50 should go well for years and years and years.
Just keep a healthy filtration process and don't get slack on that part of it.
Maybe swap in freshened/new nozzles every year.
They might wear/foul faster than average.
Tell us more about the filter bags:
Cost per bag - gallons per bag
Are you diluting 50/50 before filtering ?
I've been saving my oil changes for past 3-4 years.
But sooty diesel oil "might not" be best product ??
Also - factor in the savings of Gallons Used / Dollars Spent, versus driving a 20mpg gasser like most other folks. Or even 25 mpg gasser. For 15k miles/year.
There's some carbon offsets right there.
It turns into an equation where every fool should be driving these cars, instead of just us fools.
Mk1 Mk2 VW Dzls will be the last cars standing !
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2500 mile injectors:
(approx 30 gallons of motor oil)
one injector got dirty. the rest look fine!
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/dscn6468.jpg/
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WDK Is this the car that had the fuel filter plug as well? And didn't you fix that with a second better filter? How about throwing in a sedimenter/water catch? Should be a heated one, either electric or coolant heat will do the job.
Perhaps you have the root of the problem solved with the re-ring of the engine and have a handle on getting to a cleaner fuel.
Do you think there is a connection between the UMO fuel and the engine fail? I can't remember if UMO is more of a lubricant than standard diesel or not. I would have to go dig in that publication I posted here someplace that looked at that issue.
Keep us posted. DAS
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No I don't think wmo and 2 piston rings snapped in half are related :-) I think it was in the ether. I knew I needed to rering back when I did a compression test what.. Half a year ago? So I got careless knowing I needed a rebuild and when I ran out of glowplugs from the junkyard I just started in heavy on the no no juice. Then there was the morning something was definitely different. (I believe I broke 2 lower compression rings in half that mornin)
It actually started better on wmo, I was just.. Out of glowplugs. Literally. And low on compression. Considerably
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Man it was telling you long ago, FIX ME PLEASE! And you go a neglect it and shoot it full of juice. Now look at what you have.
Where is that thread where we berate each other for making our own tools and trying to do the right repair at the right time?
So now you know why they call it NO NO Juice. On the very positive end of all of this is that it finally got you to fix the low compression and glow plugs. Hope it runs like a wild cat when you get it back on the road.
Semper Gumby. DAS