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Title: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on December 27, 2011, 07:01:10 pm
My car was on the lift today, and the quote I got was;" With all this rust, I hope he doesn't get into an accident".

Does anyone here have any schematics on the front bumper assembly for a 1989 Jetta? Guess I'll have to buy some parts for this. Google has not been too sucessful.

Again, many thanks in advance.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: burn_your_money on December 27, 2011, 10:01:00 pm
It's extra crumple zone. I wouldn't worry about it :P

How much rust are we talking?
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: DieselBalz on December 27, 2011, 11:04:10 pm
Doesnt the Bentley show it?
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: CRSMP5 on December 27, 2011, 11:14:14 pm
ahhhhh bumper cake to remove.. its got 2 verticle bolts per side and a small 8mm bolt horizontal hidden by grill on each side..

the other 2 verticle (one per side and really short) bolts hold the core support/front mount in place when bumper off..

that help??

the verticle ones go into the frame horns..

now to compair them to euro bumpers... you can drill 2" holes in them and still have more metal then euro ones.. so guy hatin on you...
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on December 28, 2011, 05:56:51 am
ahhhhh bumper cake to remove.. its got 2 verticle bolts per side and a small 8mm bolt horizontal hidden by grill on each side..

the other 2 verticle (one per side and really short) bolts hold the core support/front mount in place when bumper off..

that help??

the verticle ones go into the frame horns..

now to compair them to euro bumpers... you can drill 2" holes in them and still have more metal then euro ones.. so guy hatin on you...

Every little bit helps, thanks. I haven't seen it, but my Boss (who works at the shop p/t) had the car put on the lift was told by the mechanic working on it what was quoted above. So why not come to the experts and get at least some info? I will find out more Thursday and will have some more info. But some parts are really not that expensive (for now).


Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on December 28, 2011, 10:29:22 am
It's extra crumple zone. I wouldn't worry about it :P

How much rust are we talking?

I'll find out Thursday. If it is the part I'm thinking of, it's about 60 bucks.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on December 28, 2011, 10:31:21 am
Doesnt the Bentley show it?

They have the book, and the shop is abput 26 miles from me. But I'll let them know. Thanks again.


Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on December 29, 2011, 11:43:06 am
My apologies to all who replied. I just got the call and it was a misunderstanding. It seems the floorboard under the driver's seat is rotted out, and bumpers are fine. So, if anyone in the NYC area can do quicky welding repairs, or know anyone who does, please let me know.

Again, my apologies. But I try to get a jump on the things I may need when I hear about them.


Stay safe, stay well. And a Happy,Healthy and Safe New Year to all members and your families. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on December 31, 2011, 08:10:53 am
Googling all I could find was 'top banana' for the floor pans.

Any experts on here have any other links?

Again, many thanks....

Stay safe, stay well. Happy New Year. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: theman53 on December 31, 2011, 10:14:28 am
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5491358-My-super-winter-beater-project.


This guy is doing what I did only with tread plate and I think it to be better. I used 16ga. galvanized sheet metal.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on December 31, 2011, 11:19:40 am
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5491358-My-super-winter-beater-project.


This guy is doing what I did only with tread plate and I think it to be better. I used 16ga. galvanized sheet metal.

This is why I love this site. I saw that diamond plate floor, and along with his muffler. (and amazed a guy who can do it was still criticized) My old mechanic who sold his business still keeps busy doing spot work and fabricating custome parts for antiques. No doubt he will figure something out. But I'm curious, is there a crossmember that the seat rails attach to? Didn't really see anything in the site I found.

Thanks again.

Stay safe, stay well. Happy New Year. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: burn_your_money on December 31, 2011, 11:40:40 am
I'm curious, is there a crossmember that the seat rails attach to? Didn't really see anything in the site I found.

No, it attaches directly to the floor.  The pics in here should help
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4823370-Project-Jetta/page3 I know it's a mk1 but it's basically the same
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on December 31, 2011, 12:24:32 pm
I'm curious, is there a crossmember that the seat rails attach to? Didn't really see anything in the site I found.

No, it attaches directly to the floor.  The pics in here should help
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4823370-Project-Jetta/page3 I know it's a mk1 but it's basically the same

Forgive me for my ignorance and lack of skills, but if you can look at the link below, the whole floor pan they show has no crossmember as shown in photos 7,8,9. You know I NEVER doubt you. Tyler. So if I am missing something, no doubt you or someone else will correct it. I would like this done before I drive across Country with it, but I may be stopping in Hamilton to get that Flyer wheel (only guy to pm me on whoretex), so I can at least buy you that beer or 5 I promised..

Waiting to be corrected and/or informed.

Stay safe, stay well. Happy New Year. Jimmy.

http://www.topbananaparts.com/servlet/the-5421/1985-dsh-1992-Volkwagen-2-and/Detail
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: burn_your_money on January 01, 2012, 11:28:32 am
Oh that piece. Yes you are right, it is missing on the new parts. I'm assuming they want you to reuse yours or buy a replacement. The new piece looks to also be missing the actual seat rails. To be clear, this is the piece we are talking about right? http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7479018/p4pb7479018.jpg
http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7479022/p4pb7479022.jpg

It's probably missing this piece as well
http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7322420/p4pb7322420.jpg

I'm a mere hour and 9 minutes from Hamilton.  :)
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on January 01, 2012, 11:37:39 am
Oh that piece. Yes you are right, it is missing on the new parts. I'm assuming they want you to reuse yours or buy a replacement. The new piece looks to also be missing the actual seat rails. To be clear, this is the piece we are talking about right? http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7479018/p4pb7479018.jpg
http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7479022/p4pb7479022.jpg

It's probably missing this piece as well
http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7322420/p4pb7322420.jpg

I'm a mere hour and 9 minutes from Hamilton.  :)

It is the piece that runs from door to door. I ASSume the seat connects to that. Under the E-Brake and behind the shifter.

What's an hour and 9 minutes when you have 6 weeks vacation?  :)

Stay safe, stay well. Happy New Year. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: burn_your_money on January 01, 2012, 12:32:22 pm
Inside or outside of the car? I don't think anything runs door to door (drivers to passenger side) because the tunnel is in the middle. I think you are talking about this piece, http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7479018/p4pb7479018.jpg Each side has one of these. The front of the seat attaches to it and when you pull the lever to slide the seat back and forth, it's connected to this piece.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on January 01, 2012, 12:36:29 pm
Inside or outside of the car? I don't think anything runs door to door (drivers to passenger side) because the tunnel is in the middle. I think you are talking about this piece, http://lp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb7479018/p4pb7479018.jpg Each side has one of these. The front of the seat attaches to it and when you pull the lever to slide the seat back and forth, it's connected to this piece.

Tyler, IIRC it was pics, 7,8,9. They had a channel inside the car that was on both sides. They basically met under the E-brake handle, and behind the shift lever. The part from top banana does not seem to have it, which is why I am picking the brains of the people here. FWIW, maybe I can use the piece in there at present, but again,  I like to get my ducks lined in a row. Thanks again.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: burn_your_money on January 01, 2012, 12:42:16 pm
This piece?
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/blkgti08/f8775447.jpg
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on January 01, 2012, 06:25:12 pm
This piece?
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/blkgti08/f8775447.jpg

You are the man. If you would like, check that link @ topbananaperts I posted, or do you know of a place that has what I need as well. That link doesn't show it, and I do not see that part listed. Unless I missed it.

Again, many thanks.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: theman53 on January 01, 2012, 06:42:48 pm
partsplaceinc.com has floor pans as well, but I don't know what you are needing.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on January 02, 2012, 05:03:51 am
partsplaceinc.com has floor pans as well, but I don't know what you are needing.

Definitely need the floor pan, but I am going to play it safe and figure I need the brace that goes across from door to door. I'm even less of a body guy than I am a diesel guy (imagine that!), but I would like to know what I might need to get it done. This car is becoming like a boat ($$$), but once the floor pans and exhaust are done, it's going back on the road. And I think it will be good enough to drive it across the Country in February. Electrical should be done this week.

Thanks for the tip, but I just checked Parts place, and they are out of stock. Any other places who might have them, please let me know. Unless I am using the wrong words to google, all I am finding is Parts place and top banana parts out of Lynchburg, Va.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: theman53 on January 02, 2012, 08:49:50 am
I didn't even know the part existed and I built my own using 16ga sheet metal.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on January 02, 2012, 10:45:21 am
I didn't even know the part existed and I built my own using 16ga sheet metal.

I have a feeling he may do the same to keep the cost down. I guess it really doesnt matter what you use once you coat and it and throw carpet over it.... :)

Next Year I may do the Trans-Canada Highway and Pacific Coast Highway. I owe you a few beers, my friend..


Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on February 03, 2012, 07:17:32 pm
This piece?
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk251/blkgti08/f8775447.jpg

You are the man. If you would like, check that link @ topbananaparts I posted, or do you know of a place that has what I need as well. That link doesn't show it, and I do not see that part listed. Unless I missed it.

Again, many thanks.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Before I have this part made, does anyone have any idea where to get one, or have a Mk2 Jetta they are taking apart? Please let me know. Many thanks.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on February 03, 2012, 07:48:57 pm
if its the same piece in a 92 german production GLI jetta, as what you have, then yes.. i have one. black shell in my back yard..
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on February 03, 2012, 08:18:52 pm
if its the same piece in a 92 german production GLI jetta, as what you have, then yes.. i have one. black shell in my back yard..

Well, your knowledge of Mk2 VW's is much more superior to mine, as we know :). If that is the piece you have, let me know what you want for it (labor included, if need be).

Just curious, does anyone have an exploded parts diagram for the Jetta interior, or this part number? Three dealers have sent me exploded diagrams of the rear floor panel and trunk. And trying to describe this piece is driving me nuts... :)

As usual, MANY thanks to all.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: theman53 on February 04, 2012, 09:41:53 am
I will check my buddy Troy if you don't find it. He gets all the vw "scrap"
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on February 04, 2012, 12:09:56 pm
I will check my buddy Troy if you don't find it. He gets all the vw "scrap"

Thank you, Sir. Much appreciated. Let me know. ROR is looking as well.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on February 04, 2012, 03:06:14 pm
I will check my buddy Troy if you don't find it. He gets all the vw "scrap"

Thank you, Sir. Much appreciated. Let me know. ROR is looking as well.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.

no, ROR has a Jetta shell in his back yard that he is going to cut up.. better speak for the front seat rail before its gone. you still have a while tho. im not cutting it up this week or anything..

again.. I HAVE THE PIECE YOUR LOOKING FOR.. shipping might be a bit of a chore tho.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on February 04, 2012, 07:55:51 pm
I will check my buddy Troy if you don't find it. He gets all the vw "scrap"

Thank you, Sir. Much appreciated. Let me know. ROR is looking as well.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.

no, ROR has a Jetta shell in his back yard that he is going to cut up.. better speak for the front seat rail before its gone. you still have a while tho. im not cutting it up this week or anything..

again.. I HAVE THE PIECE YOUR LOOKING FOR.. shipping might be a bit of a chore tho.
"Looking for it" I meant as in I knew you had the part. I do need the part asap, but if you cant get to it anytime soon, no probem and thanks for the stepping up. I looked on a few other sites, so I'm keeping my options open to get one. Any help is appreciated.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on February 04, 2012, 08:05:41 pm
how do you want it cut out? or do you want spot welds chiseled/drilled? how much do you want, just the seat bracket, or some of the floor pan still attached?

im thinking you prolly want it as small as possible, because of shipping..

i just dont want to cut it out, and have cut it wrong for your needs, then have it be useless to us both..
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on February 04, 2012, 08:14:29 pm
how do you want it cut out? or do you want spot welds chiseled/drilled? how much do you want, just the seat bracket, or some of the floor pan still attached?

im thinking you prolly want it as small as possible, because of shipping..

i just dont want to cut it out, and have cut it wrong for your needs, then have it be useless to us both..

I am more than certain just the bracket without floor pans. You're the whiz, would it be easier to drill or chisel out? Least amount of work for you makes me (well, both of us) happy :). Shipping I won't lose sleep over, so take out the bracket without the floor pan. Will let you know more tomorrow.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: R.O.R-2.0 on February 04, 2012, 08:20:38 pm
how do you want it cut out? or do you want spot welds chiseled/drilled? how much do you want, just the seat bracket, or some of the floor pan still attached?

im thinking you prolly want it as small as possible, because of shipping..

i just dont want to cut it out, and have cut it wrong for your needs, then have it be useless to us both..

I am more than certain just the bracket without floor pans. You're the whiz, would it be easier to drill or chisel out? Least amount of work for you makes me (well, both of us) happy :). Shipping I won't lose sleep over, so take out the bracket without the floor pan. Will let you know more tomorrow.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.

i just wasnt sure if your floor pans were gone under the seat rail, or still there, thats why i asked about taking the rail with a piece of floor pan still attached..
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on February 04, 2012, 08:29:41 pm
how do you want it cut out? or do you want spot welds chiseled/drilled? how much do you want, just the seat bracket, or some of the floor pan still attached?

im thinking you prolly want it as small as possible, because of shipping..

i just dont want to cut it out, and have cut it wrong for your needs, then have it be useless to us both..

I am more than certain just the bracket without floor pans. You're the whiz, would it be easier to drill or chisel out? Least amount of work for you makes me (well, both of us) happy :). Shipping I won't lose sleep over, so take out the bracket without the floor pan. Will let you know more tomorrow.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.

i just wasnt sure if your floor pans were gone under the seat rail, or still there, thats why i asked about taking the rail with a piece of floor pan still attached..

I hear ya, my friend. The shop it is at now, all he mentioned was that bracket. So lets go  with that. He said the floorpan was intact for the most part, it was just the bracket. And here I was thinking I needed those plastic seat clips...lol. If you can get as much of the bracket as you can, it should suffice. Will let you know more tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: Baron VonZeppelin on February 04, 2012, 10:36:10 pm
Get a picture of your damage zone and RoR can work from that.  :)
Title: Re: Bumper assembly info.
Post by: fdnyguy on February 08, 2012, 08:07:26 pm
We can hold off (for now). Of course I still looked on the internet and tried to find the part. And of course, no such luck (You think maybe the Europeans might have them?? ) Anyway, looks like we're (well, he is) going to fabricate a new part.

I'll keep you guys in a holding pattern if it doesn't work out. Also going to try a simple muffler with the 2.25" pipe and see how that works. Both parts were $130. Not too bad.

For the millionth time, Thanks to all for your suggestions, answers, help and offers for parts. Not on the homestretch yet, so stand fast..lol

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.