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Title: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: wdkingery on December 22, 2011, 12:17:49 pm
Look @ this. Why is my car a 1985 again? (http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8751/imag0714.jpg)

Isn't that cute? An aveo 1.3 diesel. Probably gets good fuel mileage.
Now where's my ford! Gay
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: BigVWman on December 22, 2011, 12:48:58 pm
Man that is just super hoofdprijs!!! Whatever that means ;D
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: wdkingery on December 22, 2011, 01:24:58 pm
Lol right? It kinda means great base price. Super "headprice"
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: ORCoaster on December 22, 2011, 01:40:51 pm
They don't force us, they let us choose to do it.  And we choose mileage over safety or speed.  We could choose to have a newer heavier car with a bigger horsepowered engine in it but we don't think that is necessary.  Especially when we know how to convert them over to turbos or tweak them for more power for their weight. 

Most consumers are not capable of such things.  We are an elite group! So drive that old beater into the ground and then go buy a 92. 
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: 8v-of-fury on December 22, 2011, 03:09:30 pm
Most consumers are not capable of such things.  We are an elite group! So drive that old beater into the ground and then go buy a 92. 

We are the diesel version of the 1% clique lol. 371T3 (elite) group! lol

I seriously feel bad for the people that can't even manage their own oil change.. I still feel nominally bad for people that have the pay for their suspension, brake, and drive-train work as well :( Oh how great it is to be competent :D lol
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: rabbitman on December 22, 2011, 03:10:01 pm
So drive that old beater into the ground and then go buy a 92. 

That's what I'm planning on doing ;D, I'll still cry though when the faithful ol' rabbit is gone.......... :'(
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: 8v-of-fury on December 22, 2011, 03:11:47 pm
If you take care of the body, there is no reason these cars will ever die. We all have the knowledge and parts available to switch every mechanical piece when needed.

So with that said, take care of that body.. the other parts are stupid cheap. ESPECIALLY for you Americans ;)
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: rabbitman on December 22, 2011, 03:16:32 pm
Rust is the killer, I can change anything on these but I've never tackled floors and stuff.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: Syncroincity on December 22, 2011, 08:09:06 pm
It's because we don't want to lay out $30 grand for a new car that's only marginally better than what we have now,
& almost guaranteed to break down, often spectacularly... and it's depreciating faster than a Ugandan money market.
There's nothing on the market now (in the US) comparable to my Vanagon Syncro, especially now that I have the turbodiesel in it.

Rust is the killer, I can change anything on these but I've never tackled floors and stuff.

Welding isn't rocket science either, you just need a decent MIG wire-feed (spend a little more here for a good name-brand machine).
Watch some Youtube videos. Put in some time practicing on scrap metal, getting progessively thinner.
When you get the machine dialed in for thin sheetmetal without blowing through it, you can tackle your floorboards.

I had a cheap Harbor Freight welder, and it was miserable, couldn't turn it down enough to keep from blowing thru sheet metal.
I then got a used 120V small Lincoln wire-feed, it made me into a real welder, after some practice.
You don't need the gas bottle either, just use flux-core wire, and keep the tip close to the work.

My first efforts were pretty hideous... see the U-bolt weld to the muffler:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/mccavittj/DSCF6119.jpg)

By the end of the afternoon I was laying down beads like this:

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff287/mccavittj/DSCF6113.jpg)
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: ORCoaster on December 22, 2011, 08:30:19 pm
AY Yes the elite we are.  I don't care to want to or think I should have to lay out 30 K for a mode of transportation.  At least one that moves on land.  So, I buy old beater VW's that someone thinks are scrap material and turn them into gems.  And at what cost?  Let me count the knuckle bandages.  

Most of us wrenchers can do what we put our minds to, and if your car is a rust bucket start bailing.  Or get a welder.  I second that there is nothing cooler than welding.  Well maybe the 30K helicopter.  But the sense of making metal join to metal.  Oh my.  And power, bright lights, protective equipment, if your smart about it.  And keeping it going.  

So be different, be 1% of the 1% drive a VW, an OLD ONE.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: DieselBalz on December 22, 2011, 08:45:37 pm
I do it cause I hate being under the thumb of some f'ing bank.  I love my 02 F150 as it has been a faithful companion, but I hated being a slave to that payment. Now it serves as a weekend warrior. I will probably never buy a new car again.

Secondly, I look around at all these new plastic cars and they all look the same to me. All these electronics in them that monitor the road and distance between my eyes or whatever, they are all destined to fail, and when they do I cant fix it.

I drive it cause I want to, not cause I have to.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: CRSMP5 on December 22, 2011, 09:09:59 pm
ive never had a car payment.. ever... and ive been driving 22 years now... pluse i love 25+ year old cars.. getta screw the state out of plate money each year... aka historicals are 1 time fee 26$ for life here.. i keep 1 set of normal plates to say ive paid my taxes.. rest get historicals.. can only drive 1 at a time..

the most expensive car to date for me... my kubvan with its 2200 inital price.. 500 in transport.. and 4k in build.. but will only need oil changes and filters for the next 100k... maybe a set of tires and brakes too.. way less then a car payment each mo..

next most expensive would be my 83 td coupe i picked up back in 00... for 1500... same seller selling me a rotted out 97tdi jetta for 1500 too.. :D as soon as i hand him the funds.. this car why he sold me the coupe :P all maintence done on it too..

90 b3 wagon was 500... sadly after i installed all the td stuff and then went to mod the tank pick up i relized it was out of gas... sold it as it did not run.. LOL.. win for me..

rest of my fleet... 300 max (my rust free 84 coupe was only 300..back in 96)... really done well with 150$ winter cars.. they last years.. and once rotted to nothing.. find another.. LOL.. use the life of the rotted one to build another..

Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: fdnyguy on December 22, 2011, 09:34:40 pm
Most consumers are not capable of such things.  We are an elite group! So drive that old beater into the ground and then go buy a 92. 

We are the diesel version of the 1% clique lol. 371T3 (elite) group! lol

I seriously feel bad for the people that can't even manage their own oil change.. I still feel nominally bad for people that have the pay for their suspension, brake, and drive-train work as well :( Oh how great it is to be competent :D lol

Great, kick me when I'm down,,,,, :)
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: 8v-of-fury on December 23, 2011, 09:20:35 am
no way Jimmy your different, on here giving it an effort at least ;) Most just screw it up and go "HALLPP. I've run the car completely out of oil.. i didnt notice that knock for the last 2500kms! IS IT SAVABLE!? "

Lol, so you are A-okay.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: fdnyguy on December 23, 2011, 11:22:06 am
no way Jimmy your different, on here giving it an effort at least ;) Most just screw it up and go "HALLPP. I've run the car completely out of oil.. i didnt notice that knock for the last 2500kms! IS IT SAVABLE!? "

Lol, so you are A-okay.

Whew, feel better. Will buy you a beer when I travel the TCH from east to west. Already took it from Winnipeg to Toronto, and found out that Lake Superior is a big F*****g lake......

Stay safe, stay well. Merry Christmas to everyone. Jimmy.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: mtrans on December 23, 2011, 12:21:45 pm
Rust is the killer, I can change anything on these but I've never tackled floors and stuff.

X2,for more than 10 years I put only SS on everything,I didn`t use whole 1*2 met pease.
You should see man face when I put SS on 20 years car.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: ORCoaster on December 23, 2011, 07:29:01 pm
FDNYGuy  not only is Superior a big lake it is a cold one.  I don't think I ever got more than knee deep in it before my feet were so frozen I had to get out. 

And I agree that you are giving it an effort as you can.  I didn't start with an engine overhaul right out of the gate.  It was more like a plug change and oil change on the lawn mower. 

Hope you are enjoying the trip and the car pulls it all the way without incident.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: mystery3 on December 23, 2011, 07:31:10 pm
They don't force us, they let us choose to do it.  And we choose mileage over safety or speed.  We could choose to have a newer heavier car with a bigger horsepowered engine in it but we don't think that is necessary.  Especially when we know how to convert them over to turbos or tweak them for more power for their weight. 

Most consumers are not capable of such things.  We are an elite group! So drive that old beater into the ground and then go buy a 92. 

Wtf are you talking about? Check it- http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-volkswagen-polo-bluemotion-diesel-quick-spin

More interior room and power than a mkI golf and 71 combined mpg.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: 8v-of-fury on December 23, 2011, 10:39:12 pm
$22,000? No thank-you. lol If I can buy $400 cars that last me 5 years of dailying no problem? I will never buy a new car..
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: mystery3 on December 23, 2011, 11:00:04 pm
I here ya, but they have airbags and ***. I've got kids so the wife drives a 2010 wrx not great fuel economy but a hell of a lot of fun and we don't put too many miles on it. With the preponderance of drivers in my area having there heads shoved up their arses trying to get signal on their iphones the kids are not riding in the truck with me anytime soon. Additionally when fuel hits $5-6/gallon that $22,000 will amortize pretty rapidly with an additional 30mpg or so.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: 8v-of-fury on December 23, 2011, 11:32:42 pm
I am 21, girlfriend is 21. I drive an 84 1.6D and she wants to get a mk3 diesel jetta.. Shes the best, blonde hair blue eyes German as hell.. lol Shes Folks Vagen for life.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: wdkingery on December 24, 2011, 04:25:27 am
yes but i won't be poor forever.. no sooner than i'm done with this engineering degree i'm going to want a shiny new diesel.. and i'd like options. or at least i would have liked options all along so that the junkyard in Virginia is not GASOLINE ONLY. maybe a rare VW, but .. no chevy aveo's and ford escort's in a diesel version to pick from. its ridiculous.
it's our government scratchin General Electric's back by forcing the hybrid idea down our throats so the battery maker and the electric motor maker are turnin profit. diesel is clearly the answer; here in Holland diesel is considerably cheaper than gas (yeah really) and most people drive diesel cars. haven't seen the first prius (GASP)

we should import these SEAT ibiza's and such with the diesel engines.. fix them up, sell them for $$$. late 90's model diesel, great gas mileage.. rare. just don't break it  :)

Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: DieselBalz on December 24, 2011, 05:55:30 am
The airbags are something I would like to have. People in Florida dont drive, they kinda direct their car whilst doing a myriad of other things. Most any other option now a days can be augmented from after market stuff. But, all I really need is a decent tune set up, the road, (and of course) AC.

I drive it cause its raw. Cause I feel like part of the car when I'm driving it. It reminds me of that freedom you felt when you first got your license. The simplicity of the machine also allows for me to be able to diagnose most any problem AND fix it. New cars appear to be designed in a manner nowadays that encourages you to take it to the dealer, and repair costs retail are astronomical.

I have repaired and upgraded various things with this car, to include the price I paid for it and a transmission swap, for less than an engine replacement on any modern car.

I think the difference is that for most, cars are an appliance. No different then a washing machine. Options are like exrtra spin cycles and do dads.

We however, are drivers.
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: mtrans on December 24, 2011, 12:30:11 pm

Wtf are you talking about? Check it- http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-volkswagen-polo-bluemotion-diesel-quick-spin.More interior room and power than a mkI golf and 71 combined mpg.

Can he buy  only 50 LIT of DISEL for all years around,1.3 e here.What about cost of drive that comp after 3-4 years(electronic problem).
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: fdnyguy on December 24, 2011, 03:09:50 pm
FDNYGuy  not only is Superior a big lake it is a cold one.  I don't think I ever got more than knee deep in it before my feet were so frozen I had to get out. 

And I agree that you are giving it an effort as you can.  I didn't start with an engine overhaul right out of the gate.  It was more like a plug change and oil change on the lawn mower. 

Hope you are enjoying the trip and the car pulls it all the way without incident.


Well, I didn't go in it, so I will take your word for it. But I did have to go across to the American side of Sault Ste. Marie to get diesel for my 02 F-250 (at the time, diesel was over $4 on the Canadian side, was $2.94 on the American). I loved the TCH. I will travel that one year from East to West, with a Pacific Coast Highway bonus.

Stay safe, stay well. Jimmy.

Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: catlin_cava on December 24, 2011, 07:22:08 pm
I seriously feel bad for the people that can't even manage their own oil change.. I still feel nominally bad for people that have the pay for their suspension, brake, and drive-train work as well :( Oh how great it is to be competent :D lol

I can do all that...im to the point of being too lazy and take it to the dealer and say do it because i couldnt be bothered to crawl on the ground lol
Title: Re: why do they force us to drive old cars in America??
Post by: ORCoaster on December 24, 2011, 09:37:33 pm
Catlin   I can do all that...im to the point of being too lazy and take it to the dealer and say do it because i couldnt be bothered to crawl on the ground lol

Man don't you have one of those electric creepers that have that fluffy pillow, massage and cup holder on it?  We are all getting them for Christmas.  Santa promised when I talked to him at the mall last week.