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For Sale/Looking For => Parts for Sale/Wanted => Topic started by: theman53 on November 05, 2011, 07:02:41 am
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phew, at first,it looked like you were trying to sell 2 sections of perforated steel angle for $75
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Nah he's done all the legwork gettin the measurements all worked out and the fitting correct. $75 will get you a complete mount that's been designed to fit a vnt to a 1.6
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Could you post a pic of just the mount? Is it triangulated somewhere or is it just the plate showing in the photos?
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Could you post a pic of just the mount? Is it triangulated somewhere or is it just the plate showing in the photos?
oh, its triangulated alright.. he built 'em good!
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You need to triangulate everything or it will fail in short order. You present design is a prescription for failure. The welds show little penetration and will also fail quickly unless ground out and rewelded. This stuff should be TIG welded since it is a HIGHLY stressed component. That mount is subjected to all of the torque that the engine produces plus lots of shock loading when you pop the clutch. Without proper gusseting and non faulty welds it will just fold up like so much cardboard. I would use a full length gusset in the spot where you have the tiny one.
The execution looks nice otherwise. I suspect you will sell a bunch of them.
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No the welds are NOT fine. Show them to a welder and he will confirm why: Insufficient penetration among other things. I could break all of them with a hammer.
No you do not have nearly enough triangulation on the mount and it WILL fail in short order. It is vastly weaker than the stocker. You have this vast area from where it bolts to the block to where it bolts to the rubber mount that is unsupported. Your design will work fine IF the gusset runs from the BOTTOM of the area where it bolts to the block to the closest point to the mount. Otherwise it will just flex until it cracks. To tell yourself otherwise is just magical thinking.
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it does need more triangulation. ALOT more.
i would have that mount broken in a few days..
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I don't mean to jam on you but every weld pictured is bad and we can see most of them. I can weld pretty well, but in critical applications I get a welder to do the work, because you and I and the vast majority of hobbyists are not capable to making EVERY weld what it should be. Cheap MIG welding equipment is not capable of doing strong welds on 1/4" plate even if the look OK. The stuff pictured is clearly not up to snuff. Have a pro do it.
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How did all the commentary end up in a FS thread? Especially with none of us buying any?
You can adequately mig 1/4 plate and i really don't know how anyone can truely say the welds are insufficient without holding it in your hands and looking at it and even then its subjective. I doubt any of us, even your pro welders mentioned, follow the proper methods to the t, i bet half don't even own a rod oven.
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MIG welders are dangerous because people who do not know how to weld, stick things together with then and can't understand why they break. Anyone who actually knows how to weld can look at the pictures and see that they are FUBAR, The problem is hobbyists often CAN'T. classic example of insufficient penetration and trying to weld dirty material, or perhaps badly contaminated wire.
Certainly you can wire feed 1/4" plate; They wirefeed bridges and skyscrapers these days, BUT ther is a world of difference between dip transfer and spray transfer. You probably can't get spray transfer with such low amperages, so a novice often gets very weak low pen welds like we see in the pictures. The Miller he says he used is more than capable of welding the mount. HE is not, being a hobbyist. Nothing that can't be cured. of course. Anyone who owns a MIG welder should take some classes so they know how to use it correctly and know what it is capable of and NOT capable of.
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Hey Toby,
I appreciate your comments.
I guess he didn't ask for comments but anyone trying to do a group buy on a first production run should have.
It'll help to make the product better.
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Buy a mount or not, but either way STFU already. Clear as mud??
Sorry, I did not know you were the List Police. Normally when I guy tries to tell me that up is down, I try to educated him. Ot tell to go F&#k himself. I thought I was take the nicer approach.
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I offered you to buy one. And if you could break it *in a car not with a cutoff saw* that I would ship you a new one made to your spec.
It is at that point you should have shut your mouth and taken the deal OR shut your mouth.
You have made a bunch of uneducated claims that did nothing for this thread. I have "been trained" buy a customer of mine. I can weld. I guess my male organ isn't small enough to beat my chest over the internet to show others how right I am. To each his own.
I am done here as you can't fix stupid.