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General Information => General => Topic started by: Fredrikkk on October 27, 2011, 04:32:09 pm
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After I sold my MK2 GTD, I've missed it. I did so much work on it, and yeah... K24, 2.5" exhaust, new interior, etc etc.
However, the owner now said that he left that car sitting for a week, and it barely started, so he used some starter fluid and got it running. Supposedly the turbo is now leaking oil out the exhaust pipe. I know that changing the turbo is really an easy job, so worst case, I just have to change it out. But could the ether have blown the seals of the turbo? He said the turbo still has the normal slack and it builds boost like it should.
I'm going back to Norway tomorrow and he's bringing it to me on Sunday. He's getting my Golf 1.6 most likely, as he doesn't want to swap the turbo.
Any thoughts on that turbo though?
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If he used ether to start it the oil may be leaking through the big crack in the piston or worse. Ether is not likely to damage a turbo; its cranks, rods, blocks, and heads that succumb to a shot of Panther Piss.
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Oh really? :o I wasn't expecting that answer...
But would the car start and drive if that was the case? The guy is bringing it down to me on Sunday. Is there anything I should be looking for specifically?
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Oh really? :o I wasn't expecting that answer...
But would the car start and drive if that was the case? The guy is bringing it down to me on Sunday. Is there anything I should be looking for specifically?
now that it got ether, look for a blown head gasket. maybe some blown off glow plug tips. maybe even a cracked main cap or 2.. even a bent rod..
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uh ether isn't that magically destructive unless u use too much and it runs away or something
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Not so. Even one time can destroy a glow plug diesel. BTDT. Or you might do it a number of times before you have troubles. Its important to remember that not all "starting fluid" has the same amount of ether in it. In days of yore it was all ether. Today some of it appears to be about 20%. JD stuff is only 80% ether. An old can may well be the good stuff, so beware. WD-40 is a safe alternative and works almost as well.
I wouldn't buy it unless you were paying a "bad motor" price. If you just have to have it, at the very least, I would do a compression test. Only time will tell. I killed a 5.7D in a car that I really liked, once. It took one small shot of ether (when I was desperate to get to work). I knew it was hurt when oil consumption when from a quart in 3,000 miles to one in 250 miles. In an instant. It eventually went down to a quart in 50 miles and a bad rattle when I quit driving it. It lasted about 1,000 miles. Long enough to go through a 24 can case of Ursa 30 wt.
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I am not paying anything for it. It is a trade for my 1.6 carb which leaks and has rust in the floor...
But again, I ask: Will the car start if it has a bent rod, or stuff like that? Is there anything specific I should look for/listen for? The car just had its glow plugs replaced as well...
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I am not paying anything for it. It is a trade for my 1.6 carb which leaks and has rust in the floor...
But again, I ask: Will the car start if it has a bent rod, or stuff like that? Is there anything specific I should look for/listen for? The car just had its glow plugs replaced as well...
i would start with a compression test, then pull the head to look for damage.
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Is it always a broken head, cracked piston? It almost seems that you guys are comparing it to a t-belt snapping. The car starts, runs and drives like it should. In either which way, the car won't be driven until next summer anyways, as I'll be in Poland!
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ether is BAD..
plain and simple.. easiest way to kill a healthy diesel engine.
last engine swap i did, was a 6.9->7.3 IDI ford..
anyways, the 6.9 ran fine, but needed glow plugs. my buddy got it running by soaking the filter element with ether basically.. never heard such a clattery start up in my life.. was compression started, and it squeeled the tires for a split second once it took off.. could not believe it..
anyways, the cooling system was over-pressureized in less than 2 minutes.. think some combustion gasses were getting places they should not have been?
surprised the heads did not leave the block..
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Well, I don't know if he used pure ether or what... But it starts fine, runs fine, and smokes gray like it always has. It got new glow plugs and starts up right away!
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Did you just hear that zipping sound past your left ear. Dodged another bullet.
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Did you just hear that zipping sound past your left ear. Dodged another bullet.
Heh, yeah... Well I saw the car for the first time in person. It has new glow plugs now and started up right away. It smoked like it always did. I gave it a little bit after a couple of minutes and a whole load of white smoke came out. I checked the engine bay and I saw around the lip of the toilet bowl a mess of oil. How is this happening? Are the seals of the turbo gone?
The turbo boosted normally, but I did see a lot of white smoke. Any advice?
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Did you just hear that zipping sound past your left ear. Dodged another bullet.
Heh, yeah... Well I saw the car for the first time in person. It has new glow plugs now and started up right away. It smoked like it always did. I gave it a little bit after a couple of minutes and a whole load of white smoke came out. I checked the engine bay and I saw around the lip of the toilet bowl a mess of oil. How is this happening? Are the seals of the turbo gone?
The turbo boosted normally, but I did see a lot of white smoke. Any advice?
turbo seals are wasted. or else it has some other problem. but oil is definitely making it into the exhaust..
BTW.. toilet bowls are BAD.. really restrictive..
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Did you just hear that zipping sound past your left ear. Dodged another bullet.
Heh, yeah... Well I saw the car for the first time in person. It has new glow plugs now and started up right away. It smoked like it always did. I gave it a little bit after a couple of minutes and a whole load of white smoke came out. I checked the engine bay and I saw around the lip of the toilet bowl a mess of oil. How is this happening? Are the seals of the turbo gone?
The turbo boosted normally, but I did see a lot of white smoke. Any advice?
turbo seals are wasted. or else it has some other problem. but oil is definitely making it into the exhaust..
BTW.. toilet bowls are BAD.. really restrictive..
I have a straight 2.5" exhaust on it ;) So itīs not restrictive at all! It just has a 2.5" welded onto the outer ring of the toilet bowl.
And yeah... I know I can find me a K14 anywhere, but I really have become accustomed to the K24.. Is it worth rebuilding it?
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Did you just hear that zipping sound past your left ear. Dodged another bullet.
Heh, yeah... Well I saw the car for the first time in person. It has new glow plugs now and started up right away. It smoked like it always did. I gave it a little bit after a couple of minutes and a whole load of white smoke came out. I checked the engine bay and I saw around the lip of the toilet bowl a mess of oil. How is this happening? Are the seals of the turbo gone?
The turbo boosted normally, but I did see a lot of white smoke. Any advice?
turbo seals are wasted. or else it has some other problem. but oil is definitely making it into the exhaust..
BTW.. toilet bowls are BAD.. really restrictive..
I have a straight 2.5" exhaust on it ;) So itīs not restrictive at all! It just has a 2.5" welded onto the outer ring of the toilet bowl.
And yeah... I know I can find me a K14 anywhere, but I really have become accustomed to the K24.. Is it worth rebuilding it?
no.
you dont get it..
the TOILET BOWL DOWNPIPE.
(the cast iron piece that bolts to the turbo and the downpipe clamps to it)
IS SUPER DUPER RESTRICTIVE..
its even more restrictive than a stock sized exhaust..
that doesnt fix your issues tho. but when you fix the car, throw that downpipe away. make a new one. quicker turbo spool, and lower EGTs will be an instant reward, as well as more power.
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I did not know that!
But yeah, I guess I can look into that when I get back home next summer!
On a side not, itīs the turbo seals. Rebuild or get a K14? Or T3? I want a big bolt-on turbo!
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I did not know that!
But yeah, I guess I can look into that when I get back home next summer!
On a side not, itīs the turbo seals. Rebuild or get a K14? Or T3? I want a big bolt-on turbo!
you WANT a laggy turbo?
i would go with a K14, or a VNT of some sort..
im running a VNT, and it builds boost LOW in the RPMs..
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Yes, I do want a laggy turbo! I like being able to boost 1.2 bar safely without being scared for my turbo, like my old K14. It blew because of too high boost...
And if I had the capabilities to build a VNT-setup, I sure would. Iīd love to have high boost in low RPMīs.
Iīll have to read about it more...
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Yes, I do want a laggy turbo! I like being able to boost 1.2 bar safely without being scared for my turbo, like my old K14. It blew because of too high boost...
And if I had the capabilities to build a VNT-setup, I sure would. Iīd love to have high boost in low RPMīs.
Iīll have to read about it more...
its a pretty easy swap, but not in a mk2 car. gonna either have to pay an @ss load for shortys VNT mount, or wait and have Lucas get you one for ALOT CHEAPER. or build a new rear engine mount yourself..
i did a VNT swap on my mk1 car about 4-5 years ago, and its been on 2 different cars, and logged ALOT of miles, and hasnt even had a hiccup..
might be buying a biger VNT soon, so i may change it up a bit. but its almost not worth changing.. the small VNT works SOO AWESOME.
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Yes, I do want a laggy turbo! I like being able to boost 1.2 bar safely without being scared for my turbo, like my old K14. It blew because of too high boost...
And if I had the capabilities to build a VNT-setup, I sure would. Iīd love to have high boost in low RPMīs.
Iīll have to read about it more...
its a pretty easy swap, but not in a mk2 car. gonna either have to pay an @ss load for shortys VNT mount, or wait and have Lucas get you one for ALOT CHEAPER. or build a new rear engine mount yourself..
i did a VNT swap on my mk1 car about 4-5 years ago, and its been on 2 different cars, and logged ALOT of miles, and hasnt even had a hiccup..
might be buying a biger VNT soon, so i may change it up a bit. but its almost not worth changing.. the small VNT works SOO AWESOME.
Ah yeah thatīs right.. Itīs that engine mount that effs up the whole thing...
I donīt know though... I really like my big 'ole K24! If I just did the gov mod too, it would be perfect! I enjoy being able to just swap parts between cars and having it work.
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Yes, I do want a laggy turbo! I like being able to boost 1.2 bar safely without being scared for my turbo, like my old K14. It blew because of too high boost...
And if I had the capabilities to build a VNT-setup, I sure would. Iīd love to have high boost in low RPMīs.
Iīll have to read about it more...
its a pretty easy swap, but not in a mk2 car. gonna either have to pay an @ss load for shortys VNT mount, or wait and have Lucas get you one for ALOT CHEAPER. or build a new rear engine mount yourself..
i did a VNT swap on my mk1 car about 4-5 years ago, and its been on 2 different cars, and logged ALOT of miles, and hasnt even had a hiccup..
might be buying a biger VNT soon, so i may change it up a bit. but its almost not worth changing.. the small VNT works SOO AWESOME.
Ah yeah thatīs right.. Itīs that engine mount that effs up the whole thing...
I donīt know though... I really like my big 'ole K24! If I just did the gov mod too, it would be perfect! I enjoy being able to just swap parts between cars and having it work.
if you drove your car, then drove my car, you would not want to get out of my car, guarantee it. the boost coming on low and strong is amazing.. my car pulls more like a diesel truck, than a small, revvy diesel. i swear im gonna figure out how to bend rods, or crack more blocks.. low end boost ROCKS.
when does your boost pick up? 2500-3000 revs? my car is already making 10psi by then, and the LDA is already rockin and rollin.. i build boost by 2000 revs or less, with non-functioning vanes in my turbo. it would probably be around 1500 revs if the vanes worked..
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Yeah, it's at about 3000 rpm. I would like to have boost by like 2000... I mean that is what turbo diesel is all about.
I'll have to look into VNT, or maybe a K14 again.... Time will show :)