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General Information => Smoke Tales => Topic started by: truckinwagen on July 29, 2011, 11:39:06 pm
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couldn't find a thread of track times,(didn't look too hard) so I thought I would make one!
just took my i-mark to the track
18+PSI un-intercooled(eaton M62 supercharger)
running an .038 nitrous jet and 300 cc/min of water/meth
best time was:
reaction - .3347
60 FT - 2.3263
330 FT - 6.8132
1/8 ET - 10.6393
1/8 MPH - 64.63
1/4 ET - 16.8292
1/4 MPH - 77.86
need more air/nitrous and intercooling EGT topped out at 1600+(briefly)
gonna try and hook up a second stage of nitrous, a second stage of w/m and install my intercooler.
also toying with the idea of a smaller charger pulley to increase boost.
-Owen
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that puts me roughly at 85HP at the wheels according to the ballpark ET-HP calculations
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I also think that we need a thread for track times ;D
Took my Mk II for a spin 2 weeks ago.
Only a 201 m / 1/8 strip at a lokal track.
1,9 m-Tdi, T3 at 1.5 bar / 21 psi at 5000 rpm, no IC,
Homemade maxed out 10 mm IP with 5 mm governor mod.
All built with parts from the local scrapyard.. :D
Best time:
reaction - 0.925
60 FT - 2,452
100 M - 6.8132
1/8 ET - 9.876
1/8 kmh - 117.91 / 72.7 mph
A short clip.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI10xO9xFmg&feature=player_embedded
..I need more fuel..
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Truckin, estimating 2800lbs with driver, your HP is around 90 BHP. With any manual you want to try the MPH as that is a better indicator than ET. Flywheel HP is around 97.
Not bad!
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the car should only weigh about 2300LBS(so 2550 with my fat butt in it), but still pretty good seeing as how the car was rated at 55HP from the factory.
that and parasitic loss from the supercharger could be in the 20-25HP range, so not too bad at all.
I just upped to a .046 jet, and ordered a 1.9" pulley, which should put me over the 100WHP mark!
I will be heading back to the track on the tenth and will have more numbers then.
-Owen
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This is a start to a great thread. Keep them coming.
I was at the track this weekend.
1.6/1.9L TD, 25PSI, 110HP shot of nitrous, intercooled in a VW truck.
This is the best time for the day for me.
R/T .181
60' 2.749
330 7.246
1/8 10.587
MPH 75.57
1/4 15.905
MPH 93.49
I ended up winning third/runner up for the 13.99 and slower class. :D
Heres a video from earlier that day.
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=GOPR0153.mp4 (http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=GOPR0153.mp4).
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110HP worth of nitrous? what size jet are you running?
-Owen
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.042 jet and a .014 jet. Thats what the guy at Dyno Tune said. Why?
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just wondering, I am up to a .046, and am going to strap another stage on it. thinking a .020
my EGT are really ridiculous, and I am going to see if I can keep them in check with more gas.
-Owen
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Yeah, I know what you mean about EGTs. I lowered my boost to 25psi from 30psi and the EGTs are slower to reach 1400*F and thats w/NOS. I only hope that the 5 port water/meth helps to keep them in check for longer.
Hows you setup working for you?
PM if you like.
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This is a start to a great thread. Keep them coming.
I was at the track this weekend.
1.6/1.9L TD, 25PSI, 110HP shot of nitrous, intercooled in a VW truck.
This is the best time for the day for me.
R/T .181
60' 2.749
330 7.246
1/8 10.587
MPH 75.57
1/4 15.905
MPH 93.49
I ended up winning third/runner up for the 13.99 and slower class. :D
Heres a video from earlier that day.
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=GOPR0153.mp4 (http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=GOPR0153.mp4).
josh!!!! whats going on with that quarter mile? i did 16.2 on a gtech with a stock td, well it had an exhaust, closed wastegate(25-30psi), cone filter and more fuel. no intercooler and stock manifolds. hill folk was doing mid 15's with his 1.6td mk1 jetta with a stock t3 or k24 and stock manifold. are u burn the tires for a whole quarter mile? your trap speeds really good. oh yeah and that dfr turbo... i looked at the map again, i dunno what i was thinking, that turbo would work but not real well
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Well, for start. I suck at drag racing, and still trying to tune the truck. Yeah I know the turbos too big at low RPM but when at higher RPM and with nitrous, the turbo is too small. Ha, go figure.
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with that trap speed u should be able to do a low 15, maybe even break into the 14s on a perfect run. does the turbo really spool all that slow? i wonder if there would be a bit smaller a/r exhaust housing that would really help, it is a t3 so im sure something could be crafted together as far as that goes. your turbo is a .48 and stock vw is .36, .30 for k24. i wonder if there is something nicely in between like a .42 or a .40
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or go to a compound setup?
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yeah but a smaller a/r exhaust housing would be a much simpler solution. compounds would be a much more awesome solution tho haha
also i am wondering, dave had a much larger turbo, a 50 or 60 trim t04e/t3 .63 ar and he made really good power from 4000-5500 i would just think your engine would not have any issues making power properly
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Ran the Caddy today.
15 psi boost, Intercooler, 50hp shot of nitrous.
This was the best of 4 runs.
R/T .406
60' 2.530
330' 7.129
1/8 10.895
mph 65.98
1000' 14.129
1/4 16.878
mph 81.82
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Todays best and best with this setup,
R/T .048
60' 2.488
330 6.807
1/8 10.214
MPH 71.41
1000 13.185
1/4 15.645
MPH 91.96
I really gave her hell at the launch this go.
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like we were talking, you need more air to burn all that fuel you got from master Giles..
and that turbo you have on there sounds pretty big.. it was barely whistling, even after those few throttle blips..
how much boost do you make in first gear? and how late does the turbo come on? around what RPM?
didnt you say it comes on pretty good around 4 grand?
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In first gear, I rev it to 5K and by the time I look at the gauge, it reads maybe 7 psi.
By the time I'm in second gear, its at 0 psi and its got to start building boost all over again. But once I see 3k rpm its starting to build and by 3700 its at 10 psi and climbing fast to 20-25 psi but once again, in the higher rpms, its to small and over spooling. From second to third gear, theres maybe a 10 psi drop and is really pulling hard till it chocks out.
Oh well, it is what it is. Even with NOS, its still has all the fuel I would ever need.
I'm looking for a VNT1756VB or a GTB VNT turbo.
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Its that lightened FW that I put in there. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Great for street with a K14 or the like but for drag racing, nah.
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In first gear, I rev it to 5K and by the time I look at the gauge, it reads maybe 7 psi.
By the time I'm in second gear, its at 0 psi and its got to start building boost all over again. But once I see 3k rpm its starting to build and by 3700 its at 10 psi and climbing fast to 20-25 psi but once again, in the higher rpms, its to small and over spooling. From second to third gear, theres maybe a 10 psi drop and is really pulling hard till it chocks out.
Oh well, it is what it is. Even with NOS, its still has all the fuel I would ever need.
I'm looking for a VNT1756VB or a GTB VNT turbo.
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HOLY CRAP!!! you got some lag.. i make full boost in all gears, and boost drops about 2-3 psi between shifts.. then power down again and the boost is right back.. you really need a VNT buddy..
would have you pulling alot lower in the RPM range.. along with the regular weight flywheel.. i used a light flywheel once, and hated it. car was doggy off the bottom.
5 grand, im making 7 psi in neutral..
kinda hard to compare a regular turbo to a VNT turbo tho..
i still think the truck is awesome tho! 8)
(TOTAL SLEEPER STATUS)
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awesome i knew there was some more quickness hiding in that car, i bet there is more yet. its a shame the turbo is spooling too late for you, the compressor map is beautiful for a 1.6, but perhaps that turbine is just too big, or maybe your wastegate is leaking some? the next size down for a turbine housing is .36 a/r which is stock vw t3 size, dunno how to tell if that would help or not, they make turbine maps too but i'm not really sure how to interpret them, have u considered talking numbers with a professional turbo shop? vnt 17 would be an awesome turbo for a 1.6, but with what seems to be your power goals i don't think it is big enough.
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In first gear, I rev it to 5K and by the time I look at the gauge, it reads maybe 7 psi.
By the time I'm in second gear, its at 0 psi and its got to start building boost all over again. But once I see 3k rpm its starting to build and by 3700 its at 10 psi and climbing fast to 20-25 psi but once again, in the higher rpms, its to small and over spooling. From second to third gear, theres maybe a 10 psi drop and is really pulling hard till it chocks out.
Oh well, it is what it is. Even with NOS, its still has all the fuel I would ever need.
I'm looking for a VNT1756VB or a GTB VNT turbo.
what mods are done to the head? what intake and exhaust mani also?
and how are you shifting? in my other cars i never lift when i shift at the track. period. kick the clutch and slam the next gear. yes its not much of a difference but a tenth at the start is about a second on the big end.
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In first gear, I rev it to 5K and by the time I look at the gauge, it reads maybe 7 psi.
By the time I'm in second gear, its at 0 psi and its got to start building boost all over again. But once I see 3k rpm its starting to build and by 3700 its at 10 psi and climbing fast to 20-25 psi but once again, in the higher rpms, its to small and over spooling. From second to third gear, theres maybe a 10 psi drop and is really pulling hard till it chocks out.
Oh well, it is what it is. Even with NOS, its still has all the fuel I would ever need.
I'm looking for a VNT1756VB or a GTB VNT turbo.
what mods are done to the head? what intake and exhaust mani also?
and how are you shifting? in my other cars i never lift when i shift at the track. period. kick the clutch and slam the next gear. yes its not much of a difference but a tenth at the start is about a second on the big end.
if you race shifted 2nd, or 3rd in my car, you would go up in smoke. it would take time away..
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up in tire smoke?
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up in tire smoke?
yup, it would just blow the tires off. 2nd gear, you gotta let off to shift in my car.
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up in tire smoke?
yup, it would just blow the tires off. 2nd gear, you gotta let off to shift in my car.
they make race slicks for problems like this
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up in tire smoke?
yup, it would just blow the tires off. 2nd gear, you gotta let off to shift in my car.
they make race slicks for problems like this
i like the way you think!
my transmission, however, does not. lmao..
i want to find some small slicks for my car and put it on the strip before winter gets here.
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Even aside from the tire/transmission problem, you're already at 5000rpm and full boost in 2nd and 3rd gear. Not sure what PBS's governor spring is doing exactly, but in that 1/10s, you could hit some pretty high rev's, and that's not even taking into account what would happen in a missed shift...
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Even aside from the tire/transmission problem, you're already at 5000rpm and full boost in 2nd and 3rd gear. Not sure what PBS's governor spring is doing exactly, but in that 1/10s, you could hit some pretty high rev's, and that's not even taking into account what would happen in a missed shift...
i still have a governor. its called pump rollers skipping. lol.
my motor still only pulls to a certain RPM, even in neutral. doesnt turn scary revs.. prolly ~6000...
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up in tire smoke?
yup, it would just blow the tires off. 2nd gear, you gotta let off to shift in my car.
they make race slicks for problems like this
they make them. what are these transmissions good for power wise
i like the way you think!
my transmission, however, does not. lmao..
i want to find some small slicks for my car and put it on the strip before winter gets here.
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power wise? idk, not much if you can hook the power to the ground..
200-250 ft lbs maybe?
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i think that is about the range, the lower rpm they make power, the more they fail. they are stronger than most people act like they are tho.
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i still have a governor. its called pump rollers skipping. lol.
my motor still only pulls to a certain RPM, even in neutral. doesnt turn scary revs.. prolly ~6000...
You've got more balls than I do! :P
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i still have a governor. its called pump rollers skipping. lol.
my motor still only pulls to a certain RPM, even in neutral. doesnt turn scary revs.. prolly ~6000...
You've got more balls than I do! :P
dude, andy2 used a cummins P pump. they are capable of fueling a motor enough that it can spin to bits..
a 1.6 gasser will happily spin 8k rpms.. these bottom ends are VERY SIMILAR to the gasser 1.6, aside from the much tougher pistons..
these motors are pump limited, not bottom end limited..
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up in tire smoke?
yup, it would just blow the tires off. 2nd gear, you gotta let off to shift in my car.
they make race slicks for problems like this
i like the way you think!
my transmission, however, does not. lmao..
i want to find some small slicks for my car and put it on the strip before winter gets here.
a great friend of mine has a turbo del sol, for 1/8 mile drag racing we used to do, we had 12" slicks ;D
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up in tire smoke?
yup, it would just blow the tires off. 2nd gear, you gotta let off to shift in my car.
they make race slicks for problems like this
i like the way you think!
my transmission, however, does not. lmao..
i want to find some small slicks for my car and put it on the strip before winter gets here.
a great friend of mine has a turbo del sol, for 1/8 mile drag racing we used to do, we had 12" slicks ;D
surely there 12" wide, not 12" tall?
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up in tire smoke?
yup, it would just blow the tires off. 2nd gear, you gotta let off to shift in my car.
they make race slicks for problems like this
i like the way you think!
my transmission, however, does not. lmao..
i want to find some small slicks for my car and put it on the strip before winter gets here.
a great friend of mine has a turbo del sol, for 1/8 mile drag racing we used to do, we had 12" slicks ;D
surely there 12" wide, not 12" tall?
they make plenty of 13 and 14 inch slicks out there
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i still have a governor. its called pump rollers skipping. lol.
my motor still only pulls to a certain RPM, even in neutral. doesnt turn scary revs.. prolly ~6000...
You've got more balls than I do! :P
dude, andy2 used a cummins P pump. they are capable of fueling a motor enough that it can spin to bits..
a 1.6 gasser will happily spin 8k rpms.. these bottom ends are VERY SIMILAR to the gasser 1.6, aside from the much tougher pistons..
these motors are pump limited, not bottom end limited..
thats how i always see it, the valve train can handle it no problem, rods are a little heavier but that is all on the bottom end. the only thing i think that makes it hard to rev them high(aside from being diesel) is the high compression.
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i still have a governor. its called pump rollers skipping. lol.
my motor still only pulls to a certain RPM, even in neutral. doesnt turn scary revs.. prolly ~6000...
You've got more balls than I do! :P
dude, andy2 used a cummins P pump. they are capable of fueling a motor enough that it can spin to bits..
a 1.6 gasser will happily spin 8k rpms.. these bottom ends are VERY SIMILAR to the gasser 1.6, aside from the much tougher pistons..
these motors are pump limited, not bottom end limited..
thats how i always see it, the valve train can handle it no problem, rods are a little heavier but that is all on the bottom end. the only thing i think that makes it hard to rev them high(aside from being diesel) is the high compression.
once i get this clutch in were going to have to make a trip to south mountian or cecil and run this thing
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hey thats a good idea, i bet adam will want to take his gti and my brother will probably want to run his corrado, i'll run my rabbit for s&g's
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1/4 mile 14,40@91,5mph and 1,93 60 feet. Audi 80 1,9 idi, K14-2@24psi boost
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1/4 mile 14,40@91,5mph and 1,93 60 feet. Audi 80 1,9 idi, K14-2@24psi boost
nice what mods?
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A little ported head, 1Y intake, 10mm pump and 3" exhaust. Nothing that special.
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up in tire smoke?
yup, it would just blow the tires off. 2nd gear, you gotta let off to shift in my car.
they make race slicks for problems like this
i like the way you think!
my transmission, however, does not. lmao..
i want to find some small slicks for my car and put it on the strip before winter gets here.
a great friend of mine has a turbo del sol, for 1/8 mile drag racing we used to do, we had 12" slicks ;D
surely there 12" wide, not 12" tall?
12" tall
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what did you use, like an 8" wheel?
i seriously have a hard time picturing a 12" slick. lol.. that would make a car look soo goofy!