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Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: superman293 on December 31, 2005, 10:33:33 pm

i think it's called secret diesel engery, they claim you need no modifactions to your diesel, they sell a thinning agent to thin the cooking oil out, claims it cost 46 cent a gallon and there isn't any dangerous chemicals to mix, i was going to try it out but was wondering if anybody else new more about it.
thanks

Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: QuickTD on January 01, 2006, 07:28:06 am

It is xylol, available at your local paint store for less than $20 a gallon. I'm bit skeptical regarding the claims, I think you would still have problems at below freezing temps.

Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: bhtooefr on January 01, 2006, 07:46:54 am

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=122949

Does that answer your question?

Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: superman293 on January 01, 2006, 08:06:23 am

doesnt really sound too great, i might give it a try this summer when the temp is up.

Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: bhtooefr on January 01, 2006, 08:16:15 am

I wouldn't, if I were you.

It's nearly as thick as SVO, from what I've read, and has a few very high octane components, making it a bad diesel fuel. (A fuel that has a high octane value resists compression ignition, so that one can crank up the compression ratio on a gasser. A fuel that has a high cetane number (read: good in a diesel) lends itself to compression ignition. Cetane and octane are near opposites.)

Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: zyewdall on January 01, 2006, 08:40:06 am

Yeah, like QuickTD said, it's a mixture of veggie oil, gasoline, and maybe some petro-diesel, and their secret ingredient, which is apparently Xylol.  I wouldn't call any of them except veggie oil non-dangerous.  In the summer time, maybe it'd be okay, but I wouldn't in mine.  SVO is cheaper ($0 per gallon once you have modified the vehical to heat the fuel).

I personally use regular biodiesel (both soy and canola based) without any modification to my vehical -- yes, it is $3/gallon, but I have never had any issues with it (aside from clogging my fuel filter with dirt it cleaned out of my system when I first switched).    I have also run SVO in vehicals -- you just have to get it to 160F or more before entering the injector pump in order to get the viscosity low enough (unless you have a mercedes with the in line pump -- people have run those on cold veggie oil without killing the IP)

Maybe it's just that I am an engineer, not a chemist, so I don't mind modifying the vehical to run SVO, and not have to deal with mixing chemicals, be they methoxide to make biodiesel, or gasoline to thin SVO.

Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: superman293 on January 01, 2006, 09:43:19 am

so to run SVO there is no modifcations to the fuel, but you have make a way to heat it to 170 degress, is there any site or fourm you could point me to, i have a 1990 non turbo jetta, i would like to find out how much it would cost to convert my car
thanks

Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: lesharoturbo on January 01, 2006, 09:46:03 am

Superman,

Try http://www.greasel.com to start.

Bernie

Title: anybody hear of this bio diesel that needs no mods to run
Post by: bhtooefr on January 01, 2006, 09:46:43 am

Elsbett, Greasecar, Greasel, Frybrid, and other companies sell kits, plus there's a few guides on making your own. Google is your friend.

FWIW, I've heard that Elsbett will warranty everything against damage from properly filtered fuel if you use their kit.