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General Information => Smoke Tales => Topic started by: Staley on December 27, 2005, 11:07:43 am
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The question that I have been pondering since Friday morning...
How fast is my new little turbo diesel rabbit with 18PSI and no intercooler?
Is it as fast as a 1.8T? or even better how about a chipped 1.8T?
I found every excuse to do any driving over the weekend and imagined that the rabbit is
probably as fast as a chipped 1.8T... but I needed hard evidence to prove or disprove my theory.
My friend Eric was nice enough to come by the shop this morning and line up the cars.
He also brought kolachies (we like Eric)
We did a rolling start from 30 and I pulled his GTI by 1 car length thru my second gear and third gear. (30-70mph)
When I hit my 4th gear (approx 70 mph) Eric started to pull on me and we both let off somewhere in the 80mph range.
If we had kept on the gas he would have passed me as he went into his 4th gear.
SO... we have both agreed to linemup again after I get an intercooler on the car
hahaha
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The 1.8T's aren't that fast... I gave a friend with a Mk4 GTI 1.8T 150hp a :oops: face too with my 1.9 AAZ / K24 turbo @ 1.2bar with IC :lol:
Weight counts too, I don't know wehat type you have but a reasonably loaded Mk4 weights at least 1200kgs (compared to my mk1 caddy, 900kg)
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nonetheless, it's always good to hear diesel vs evil stories. nice job!
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I so want to have a TD project car when I get older and can afford to fund it..I would find every way imaginable to have a very fast TD...Of course I'd have to find little tricks you can do to tune them without spending big money.. :D
Maybe even put a TDI in an A1 Rabbit/Jetta Coupe and tune on that. :) That'd be excellent power to weight ratio.
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The 1.8T's aren't that fast... I gave a friend with a Mk4 GTI 1.8T 150hp a :oops: face too with my 1.9 AAZ / K24 turbo @ 1.2bar with IC :lol:
Weight counts too, I don't know wehat type you have but a reasonably loaded Mk4 weights at least 1200kgs (compared to my mk1 caddy, 900kg)
I think the original poster is talking about a chipped 1.8T, which makes a 150hp or even 180hp 1.8T totally irrelevant.
I rode in a 1.8T with a good chip & upgraded fuel injectors and was impressed. I thought I would be unimpressed by the 1.8T's low RPM torque but it surprised me. The torque curve stretches long too. That MK4 1.8T ran 14.16 sec in the 1/4 mile, fully loaded with leather interior. A factory 150hp 1.8T is a slug.. my brother has one. I think they do 16s in the 1/4 mile? No comparison.
Hanging with a chipped 1.8T in a Rabbit 1.9TD is a nice accomplishment despite the weight advantage... that Rabbit sounds to be quicker than a MK3 VR6 already. 14 sec or less IDIs are quite rare.
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The 1.8T's aren't that fast... I gave a friend with a Mk4 GTI 1.8T 150hp a :oops: face too with my 1.9 AAZ / K24 turbo @ 1.2bar with IC :lol:
Weight counts too, I don't know wehat type you have but a reasonably loaded Mk4 weights at least 1200kgs (compared to my mk1 caddy, 900kg)
Mk4 1.8T are around 1350-1400 kg.
Your caddy weigh more than 900 kg for sure (I'd say around 1100 kg).
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900kg sounds a lot closer than 1100kg.
i'd put my money on 900-950kg max.
a normal rabbit is sub-900kg.
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The 1.8T's aren't that fast... I gave a friend with a Mk4 GTI 1.8T 150hp a :oops: face too with my 1.9 AAZ / K24 turbo @ 1.2bar with IC :lol:
Weight counts too, I don't know wehat type you have but a reasonably loaded Mk4 weights at least 1200kgs (compared to my mk1 caddy, 900kg)
I think the original poster is talking about a chipped 1.8T, which makes a 150hp or even 180hp 1.8T totally irrelevant.
I rode in a 1.8T with a good chip & 4bar MAP-or-something and was impressed. I thought I would be unimpressed by the 1.8T's low RPM torque but it surprised me. The torque curve stretches long too. That MK4 1.8T ran 14.16 sec in the 1/4 mile, fully loaded with leather interior. A factory 150hp 1.8T is a slug.. my brother has one. I think they do 16s in the 1/4 mile? No comparison.
Hanging with a chipped 1.8T in a Rabbit 1.9TD is a nice accomplishment despite the weight advantage... that Rabbit sounds to be quicker than a MK3 VR6 already. 14 sec or less IDIs are quite rare.
Thankyou :)
I was quite impressed with the accomplishment myself!!
It was a APR chipped 180HP AWP engine
that makes 215HP and 249TQ
I so need an intercooler
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Get 'er done and post more of your results here!! Even track or dyno numbers would be interesting to see but that's up to you.. :D
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I own a 02 GTI unchipped with engine code AWP(Must sell it know :( )I would give Dr. Diesel a run for his money. :twisted: :mrgreen:
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I own a 02 GTI unchipped with engine code AWP(Must sell it know :( )I would give Dr. Diesel a run for his money. :twisted: :mrgreen:
You talk alot of guff, by the way Dr. Diesel would chew your GTI. 1.8 T's have power, but a 1.6 TIDI with some mods, could eaisly mash a GTI.
If I see an 02 GTI I will surley make it clear who I am, with a nice big cloud of Diesel. :evil: :evil: :evil:
If you really want power, and would sacrafice weight, a VR6 twin turbo charged would be awesome for the gasser heart. :twisted:
As for diesels, the limit hasn't been reached yet: I have heard of people making 150 hp from a 1.6 NA. It would be eaiser to make 110 hp or more with a TIDI 1.6. with the intakemanifold from a 1.9L head :twisted:
If it were possible to have the cummins I- 6in the dakota, :shock:, I would be on the buyers list.
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WHOOAA!!!! 150hp from a 1.6NA. Please Details... Details... I would love to see that much power out of mine and I'm sure theres a few other people here that would love to see that too. If you have the info it might be better to post a new topic.
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150hp on a NA is f*ckin crazy!!
Maybe even put a TDI in an A1 Rabbit/Jetta Coupe and tune on that.
wicked would be a spiced up 1.6TD on a Golf IV!!! :twisted: :twisted: And funny! :lol:
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How much smoke?
How many MPGs?
150hp... that's just frickin' INSANE.
Throw a 1.6NA in a Mk5 GTI :P
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As for diesels, the limit hasn't been reached yet: I have heard of people making 150 hp from a 1.6 NA.
WOW, with a claim like that, you've got to give up some more info, thats 3x the original power of the 1.6 NA.... :shock:
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more seriously, it is 800 X eaiser to pull power out of the 1.6 Turbo Blocks; this would require a major rework of the engine, not something like turning the max fuel screw up. You would literally need to increase the cyinders to equal out to a 1.7 L motor, do major pump mods (or Giles can do this), bigger injectors, massive or :twisted: Twin Turbo setup would be awesome, massive 3" exhaust, upgraded clutch
NA are slow as turd, you can do some mods to make them a little faster, but will never have the potential of the Turbo motor, Unless you like to sit down with a calculator, some pens and paper and calculated the exact power requirement you will need, and what you need to acheive this.
After doing the governor mod, wastgate cutoff, and some pump tweaking, plus some straight tube, you can have a very quick car when you need it, and also a very almost :twisted: efficient vehicle because the pump is not being restricted after 2500 rpm, therefore you will have an engine that works eaiser and burns less fuel Only when you keep her at efficient shift points (shifting at 2500 RPM in city seems to be great) :D :D
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The 1.8T's aren't that fast... I gave a friend with a Mk4 GTI 1.8T 150hp a :oops: face too with my 1.9 AAZ / K24 turbo @ 1.2bar with IC :lol:
Weight counts too, I don't know wehat type you have but a reasonably loaded Mk4 weights at least 1200kgs (compared to my mk1 caddy, 900kg)
Mk4 1.8T are around 1350-1400 kg.
Your caddy weigh more than 900 kg for sure (I'd say around 1100 kg).
I've been on 2 different commercial scale with my caddy when I was scrapping metal and other stuff.. with the tank half-to-full and some tools on the passenger side both scales read ~925KG
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just an idea i'd like to put out, people who want to turbo there gassers usings a 1.6 idi flip the manifold and do a little grinding, i think if someone wanted to run a gasser mani, it wouldn't be too much work, assuming you didn't mine having to come with an all down pipe..