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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Baxter on September 05, 2010, 03:24:41 pm
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How do.
not really been here much, work has gone nuts, and to be fair I was just a bit stalled with fixing Vanagons day in day out, lost my enthusiasm, so...
I bought something for winter, and summer, a 4 wheel drive cabriolet to enthuse me again.
I know/knew absolutley zero about these things, so it's really nice to be learning again!
I bought it blind, saw it on e-bay, bid, won then sent a lad with a truck to get it!
Scarey biscuits.
(http://www.iltis.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/IMG00003-20100824-1710-2.jpg)
Thats what I got when it rolled off the truck!
originally it came with a 1.7l petrol engine, that didn't last long!
Ive ordered all the bits to convert to Diesel, and then convert the Diesel to 24v too!
Anyway, I put a blog together, if your interested it's www.iltis.co.uk (http://www.iltis.co.uk)
I know it probably goes without saying but you start at the bottom of the page and work up!
:)
Simon.
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Those things are so cool! Keep us posted on your work.
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I read "convert to 24V" as convert to 24 valve. I was like "huh?"
Sweet project. I'll be following for sure.
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I read "convert to 24V" as convert to 24 valve. I was like "huh?"
x2 :lol:
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24 volt maybe...
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Yeah, it has 24 volt electrics!
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WOW !! Cool looking ride - what is it ? I see it has a yankee drive and it looks beyond 25 years so we could bring one across the pond for $1,500 or so. ( R.O.R.O)
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You can buy them easily in Canada. They used to be used in the Armed Forces.They were built by Bombardier under license from VW.
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You can buy them easily in Canada. They used to be used in the Armed Forces.They were built by Bombardier under license from VW.
I was just in Ontario for the weekend. What does VW / Bombardier call them ?
Brain fart - I see it now... "Iltis" did not recognize it as a name. Also called a VW Type 183. Hummm.
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Boring bit.. as I understand it.
The Iltis came about as a commision from the German government. there was this thing called the "Eurojeep" that was in developement for NATO forces, which Germany had subscribed, but the costs got daft and the project was shelved, this left the Bundeswehr without a half ton all terrain vehicle so they put the concept out to tender.
BMW came up with something as did VW, VW won the contract.
But, it wasn't actually VW, Audi designed and built it at ingolstat but it was badged as a VW.
Some of the design stipulations stated that it must be made of simple, standard parts so it is a bit of a parts bin special but a lot of it's parts are unique.
I like the fact that the front and rear suspension is the same, parts are interchangeable. porsche wheel bearings, porsche steering bits, and adapted Audi80/Passat gearbox, T2 drive shaft joints and so on..
The initial order was for 10000 units, once this threshold had been reached the tooling was packed up and sent to Bombardier in Canada where they made the Iltis under license from about 1983 onwards.
Production ceased in 1988.
Some of the later versions were powered by a 1.6TD "1C" engine which was a mechanical tappet unit.
The Canadian forces, whatever thay are called used them and did the Belgians and I think the Dutch also, they are out there but not in massive numbers. Some Bombardiers did make it to Europe when the Canadians broght them over for some war or other and left them here.
Audi do (or did) cold weather testing in Finland.
One winter in the late 70's one of the engineers realised that the most reliable vehicle on the fleet in cold weather, and the most agile was their Iltis supprt vehicle.
So, they took the Iltis running gear and installed it in the Audi 80.
It was rather good.
Some top dog at Audi got wind of it and asked them to develope it further, which they did.
Hey presto! Audi quattro.
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Oh, and, if you get bored Google the "DKW Munga" ;D
That is one seriously fugly MoFo!
That is what the Iltis was designed to replace.
DKW was one of the 4 companies that made up the AutoUnion that went to to be Audi.
4 Auto union companies.
Audi
Horsch
Wanderer
DKW.
This is where the 4 rings of the Audi badge come from, the 4 companies that made it up.
they then went on to adapt the Audi name.
Later on, Audi then absorbed NSU, really the Audi badge should have 5 rings....
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So does yours have a heater?
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For your viewing edification, here's some locally for sale:
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-iltis-1986-bombardier-W0QQAdIdZ213942181 (http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-iltis-1986-bombardier-W0QQAdIdZ213942181)
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-ATVs-snowmobiles-ATVs-Bombardier-Iltis-W0QQAdIdZ218039473 (http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-ATVs-snowmobiles-ATVs-Bombardier-Iltis-W0QQAdIdZ218039473)
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-ATVs-snowmobiles-ATVs-Volkswagon-iltis-4x4-W0QQAdIdZ216623577 (http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-ATVs-snowmobiles-ATVs-Volkswagon-iltis-4x4-W0QQAdIdZ216623577)
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-iltis-W0QQAdIdZ213736271 (http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-iltis-W0QQAdIdZ213736271)
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So does yours have a heater?
Yep, it's a MKII polo job, same as a Vanagon rear matrix.
Apparently rather good too.
Plentiful supply of 24v Eberspacher heaters from trucks if I turn homo though.
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If my memory serves, my beloved government paid $80,000 each for these when new...
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Dunno what that equates to, but apparently when they were for sale in Germany they were 5x what a normal Golf cost!
They are butch though!
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You might need this ;D
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-TREKKER-VOLKSWAGEN-PIN-BADGE-70s-80s-ORANGE-iltis-/220664690829?pt=UK_Collectables_Badges_Patches_MJ&hash=item3360a3f88d (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-TREKKER-VOLKSWAGEN-PIN-BADGE-70s-80s-ORANGE-iltis-/220664690829?pt=UK_Collectables_Badges_Patches_MJ&hash=item3360a3f88d)
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Bit more done over the last week or so.
Updated here - www.iltis.co.uk
Not as much as hoped but customers come before projects!
I worked last saturday but I was mightly hung over from Fun Loving Criminals playing locally, not a productive day at all!
EGT probe in, exhaust side almost complete, engine in, but I decided to sort the interior out and kinda work my way out from the centre!
Mounting the 24v alternator is the biggest pain at the moment, I'm almost wondering if I can use a T3 (vanagon) alternator but with a 24v regulator but I don't know enought about alternators to find out.
All my remote filter head stuff is here as is my oil cooler, just needs time now!
Oh, and it got some new rims, 6x16" ET30 5x112 mefro steels from Germany, trailer wheels basically, very strong indeed!
(http://www.iltis.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/0051.jpg)
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If my memory serves, my beloved government paid $80,000 each for these when new...
The $80k per vehicle was including spare parts contracts, training, so on, still pretty steep for 1980's dollars
As others have stated, they are pretty common here in Canada, more so now that we have started using other vehicles like the G-wagon. One guy near here must have a dozen at least, as well as matching trailers and such.
Ian
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Based on this...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/344179918_22229e1229.jpg)
(http://www.zaniroli.com/yacs/file-fetch/6170-opbouw-iltis-034.jpg)
Civilian version was available, but it cost more than the Mercedes G-Wagen
(http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp222/lmlindbo/iltis/Untitled-1.jpg)
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If my memory serves, my beloved government paid $80,000 each for these when new...
The $80k per vehicle was including spare parts contracts, training, so on, still pretty steep for 1980's dollars
As others have stated, they are pretty common here in Canada, more so now that we have started using other vehicles like the G-wagon. One guy near here must have a dozen at least, as well as matching trailers and such.
Ian
Unfortunatly that was the core vehicle cost i believe. the military only started TCO or total cost of ownership quoting recently. That's how we got 60 g wagons for the afgan mission for $306 mil. Do that math per g wagon. 90% spent in euros too. Nice rigs though.
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Love the Iltis, truly a purpose-built machine and very capable.
Two Audi-prepped Iltis's finished the Dakar rally 1-2 in 1980 with the other two finishing in the top 10. So Quattro's racing heritage started even before the Group-B days. ;)
Good luck with this, makes me jealous. :D
Brendan
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Woo, yeah, it's a runner.
No idea how long the engine had been sat, seemingly the pump was foobared.
Put another on I found in a box of crap I had laying about, annoyingly that was toast also.
Put a 3rd on, up it went.
Tidy dart!
It had it's first outing today, 'round the yard.
http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e31/tee3T3/?action=view¤t=MOV_0062.mp4&ref=nf
1 happy camper.
:)
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Arrgh,
I am terribly envious of you and your Iltis.
I have been in love with those for awhile,
they are supposed to compare to a Unimog and FJ40 as far as being unstoppable in dicey terrain.
But, if I am spending that kind of coin, I want a Schwimmwagen.
Ever seen a slammed Schwimmwagen with Porsche wheels???
Me neither.
Instead, I bought a THING (Kubelwagen)
and it will be a bit of a resto-rod..
Keep up updated on the ILTIS!
-Brad
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pNGHDQ-Jf4
:)
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This was a bargain I didn't bid on. Tax free too...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320653182826&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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Baxter,
The iltis has been places the Hummer couldn't go. In exercises with the Yanks we would hole up in swampy hard to get in areas and the iltis would get us in and out. We would walk out for most patrols but the iltis was our bug out machine. I've also jumped one blowing out the shocks on all four corners and it still kept going. I just wish ours came in diesel instead of gas.
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Not used it in anger yet, just done some local green lanes (old tracks, still public highways but not maintained) much like then one in the video.
Not got it stuck yet!
In fairness the Diesel is okay, but it doesn't rev like the petrol one so it's fairly limited really, it's awfully noisey and more or less flat out at 50mph.
However, I have had a pump rebuilt in the UK and the usual stuff I see through the workshop never get set to factory settings as they are a bit worn, I've set the pump (not thinking) a little advanced and I'm sure I can get it quieter by backing the timing off to where it should be.
It is just a frame with a bucket and some running gear, no sound deadening so I'm sure you can imagine what it's like!
I'm into top gear really quickly, it pulls like a train (1.3 tonnes!) and the brakes suck big fat hairy donkey dick!
Drums all 'round, I've spent enough for the time being, disc brake conversion to come at a later date!