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Engine Specific Info and Questions => TDI Engine -General Info => Topic started by: oldskool rich on July 17, 2010, 10:54:02 am
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ok long story short, i opend my big mouth and told my cousin i could beet his new GTR skyline with my mk1 caddy diesel
so now i need to make it happen, GTR does 0-60 in 3 seconds so im told, need to equal or beet that to have a chance at the quater mile
i understand that no vag tdi can do this so im tryna look outside the box, need 600+ bhp diesel engine am prepared to butcher the fook out of my caddy obviously need a gear box too, what engine am i best to look at? dont realy wana spend more than a couple of grand,
was looking at 6.5 gm turbo diesel but not enough power, whats bigger than that? or can they be tuned?
help
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4bt-a cummins..
but why would you want to transplant something so much bigger and heavier? any of the big diesels weigh in at close to a thousand pounds. why not just hop up the 1.6?
or:
quit writing checks your @ss cant cash. lol..
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power to weight get a polo bread van and strip her out and A6 quatro 2.5 tdi running gear big mods to engine :D ;)
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my original plan was gut the caddy so its just structural everythin else fiber glass and run my A6 2.5 quatty engine box and subframes
but after adding the quattro bit it will weigh more than it did to start with, i would have a ton that b4 propane/nos/lpg/methanol would be around 290bhp maybe 400 after the gas in a caddy that weighs just under 1000KGs, the GTR weighs 1740kgs 473bhp 433ftlbs and does 0-60 in 3.5 seconds quater mile in 11.7 so can i beet that with a 5 pot on gas? doesnt need to run this every day, just for one race
tbh he will only have 272bhp per ton and ill be looking at 400 with gass infact b4 gass we will be evenly mached except he has revs on his side, what do think?
can any one shed light on this impossible equassion? what gas should i go for, just nos or all of the above?
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i understand that no vag tdi can do this
Well you got that wrong
New Audi R15 LMP1 Test Monza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaOLIKe5Cx8#ws)
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and what engine is in that?
that looks impressive :o i bet alot of money has been spent on that
if i got a V8 i could use 2 disco pumps, possibly capable of 400+ with no gas would just need custom fuel lines and clever way of mounting 2 pumps and sycronise the timing
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All you'd really need is a complete V8 TDI, maybe mildly warmed over, together with an O1E transmission in the bed of the Caddy driving the rear wheels. The engines sell routinely on eBay from about 4,500 Euros.
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OM606 mercedes engine??
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Buy a GTR and put the sound from a diesel engine through a loudspeaker in the engine bay.
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The R15 TDI features a 5.5 litres (336 cu in)[4] Turbocharged Direct Injection (TDI) turbodiesel V10 engine, rated at over 600 PS (440 kW; 590 bhp) and 1,050 newton metres (774 ft·lbf) torque.
It is said $15M/yr for Audi to run 3 cars, but those cars will walk all over a skyline.
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It is said $15M/yr for Audi to run 3 cars, but those cars will walk all over a skyline.
Until you come across a speed bump or driveway, then you're boned.
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dont think i can get an R15 engine on ebay tbh
needs to be 4x4 to get off the line quick enough v8 is a bit scary to me, i already hav the kit to do a 5 pot, i also have a big super charger that i might roll with, unless sumone knows a realy gud v8 that will run with 2 disco pumps? tbh from what ive herd you can add nos untill ur engine blows to bits so ill just get a 200 shot on top of what im already making, the engine will take the power sum audi S1 people are running 1500bhp with the same block
my favourate http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4292626232047272481# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4292626232047272481#)
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You got yourself in over your head on this one....WWWAAAAYYYYYY too deep (in the pocketbook department).
Rear/mid mouning a V8 eliminates any need to use AWD. There SHOULD be an Audi box that will take the torque. BUT, none of the above are going to come in under your budget. If you had the coin, a GM Duramax with a Mendiola gearbox can easily be built to 1000HP and stuck back there. But, you are now pushing $30k for hardware alone.
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realy, they go for that much? surly the whole car wud be that
i assumed it wud be like 2k engine and box, maybe another 2 to make it all work
fuuk it i will just spend £500 on NOS see how long it lasts
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ok long story short, i opend my big mouth and told my cousin i could beet his new GTR skyline with my mk1 caddy diesel
so now i need to make it happen, GTR does 0-60 in 3 seconds so im told, need to equal or beet that to have a chance at the quater mile
i understand that no vag tdi can do this so im tryna look outside the box, need 600+ bhp diesel engine am prepared to butcher the fook out of my caddy obviously need a gear box too, what engine am i best to look at? dont realy wana spend more than a couple of grand,
was looking at 6.5 gm turbo diesel but not enough power, whats bigger than that? or can they be tuned?
help
I'd probably start with an OM606 upgrade the rods and put two GT28 turbos on it and convert your caddy to RWD. Get a pump from Myna add a 200 shot of nitrous with propane injection. That should get you about 800hp and 1,400 ft/lbs of tq.
Use a modified 700R4 trans ford 9 inch rear with really high gears.
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ok long story short, i opend my big mouth and told my cousin i could beet his new GTR skyline with my mk1 caddy diesel
After all this it won't be a mk1 caddy anymore. It'll be a combo of everything.
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take you caddy put a detroit 6V-53TT with N90 injectors, take the fuel pin in the rail grind it down to allow for 5000 rpm runs, and remove any kind of muffling device, itll be dammned fast and loud enough to rattle the panels off the GTR on an idle :) lol
but seriously i would like to see this done a diesel beat a gtr, i think the OM606 would be the best bet, a caddy would be easy enough to convert to real wheel drive, using say a 9 inch for rear, running 3:55's best gears for high torque diesel, need a locker or at least a good limites slip, as for the tranny stay away from the 700r4 chap but will not hold say 1400 lb/feet what you want if your looking automatic is an allison 1000 or a goerend built 47re, both will handle in excess of 2000ftlbs easy, weight will be an issue too everything nees to stripped or just the bare minimum no door panels etc.... this can be done it just needs to be thought out. if a 9000 lb truck can dot he quarter in 9 seconds a there is no reason why a caddy cant do it faster.
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V10 TDI they put in the Touerag oit makes 309HP at 3750 and 553ftlbs of Torque at 2000RPM. Pump mod and increase the boost and use an Audi Quattro transmission and Youll Smoke that GTR. Your Caddy is Light when there is nothing in it. so a Motor making over 500HP and close to 900ftlbs of Torqued modded right will be a blast and Imagine your MGP with it :P
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I agree that a TDI out of a touerag will do what you want it to mounted in the bed. People seem to forget that you don't need big displacement to make power with diesel. You MAKE displacement by increasing cylinder pressure pre-ignition.
Say you increase to 3 atmospheres of boost thats like tripling your displacement (sort of) so long as you can get all the accelerant, 02 and exhaust IN and OUT fast enough.
A big TDI running NOS and LPG/LNG (one or the other or both) could make incredible power on a drag without any forced induction. the NO2 makes up for the required 02 and the LPG is your main accelerant because you can dump as much of it (and diesel i suppose) as you want into it. I read an article about a 1.9L TDI that made 1,000hp. it was almost all propane and NOS.
I do not think that trying to wedge a massive cummins in your caddy will work at all. What you need in a drag is power to weight ratio and a good one at that.
Try to remember the money and development that went into designing and producing that GTR. Do you have millions to design and build an 11 second vw diesel caddy?
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I'm thinking of him mounting it UP front like normal car nad lets say an B2 or B3 Quattro Chassis. and you cna make it AWD and get Max power output since mounting a clost to 900torque motor will not have a good launch
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I did the calculations and if its correct with a stock V10 TDI at a weight of 845KG with a Motor that produces 309HP and 553ftlbs of Torque.
Your car could according to the calculations would do the 1/4mile in 10.59seconds. Imagine some mods and it will be killer lol.
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take you caddy put a detroit 6V-53TT with N90 injectors, take the fuel pin in the rail grind it down to allow for 5000 rpm runs, and remove any kind of muffling device, itll be dammned fast and loud enough to rattle the panels off the GTR on an idle :) lol
but seriously i would like to see this done a diesel beat a gtr, i think the OM606 would be the best bet, a caddy would be easy enough to convert to real wheel drive, using say a 9 inch for rear, running 3:55's best gears for high torque diesel, need a locker or at least a good limites slip, as for the tranny stay away from the 700r4 chap but will not hold say 1400 lb/feet what you want if your looking automatic is an allison 1000 or a goerend built 47re, both will handle in excess of 2000ftlbs easy, weight will be an issue too everything nees to stripped or just the bare minimum no door panels etc.... this can be done it just needs to be thought out. if a 9000 lb truck can dot he quarter in 9 seconds a there is no reason why a caddy cant do it faster.
you have to hook up the rear tires to tear the guts out of the trans.. and i doubt a caddy will hook the tires with any amount of horsepower.. i think a 700R4 would work fine in a 1600 lb caddy. i agree that you could find a better trans, but i seriously doubt you could tear up a 700 with a caddy around it, no matter how many thousands of ft lbs of torque it has flowing into it.. there isnt enough vehicle to hold it back and load it enough to snap anything i wouldnt think. unless you ran some 31"x18" drag slicks on the rear, and made it wheelie some how, then it MIGHT load the trans enough to break something.
think a ford thunderbird V6 rear end will hold 500+ hp? i thought it wouldnt either, until we built a custom aluminum sand rail with a BUILT 327 small block. i thought the rear end was gonna scatter the second the trans hit second gear hard the first time. but 3 years later we are still running the same axles and 3rd member..
and Ed, i want to see this 1000hp TDI, because the MOST POWERFUL ones ive seen, are in the 400 hp range. and they dont make more because they start blowing the head off the top, and rods out the bottom..
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1000 HP TDI? Puh. How about 2500 "credible ones" based out of a V12 TDI? That's AFTER I finish my current project building a credible 450 HP 4-cylinder TDI (http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=270527)...
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but seriously i would like to see this done a diesel beat a gtr,
I believe there an an audi v8 mounted in the bed of a Caddy on vortex, might be a good start. :)
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rabbit on roids you do have a point, the weight factor, a caddy really doesent way much compared to say a fullsize dodge, or gm, which you usually see the 700r4's in lol alot less weight for it to haul around
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Add some nitrous and the front TDI option to the pickup version of this VW, and you'll scream http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/12/porsche-911-turbo-powered-vw-bus-0-to.html (http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/12/porsche-911-turbo-powered-vw-bus-0-to.html)
Seriously, the heavily-modded Touareg V10 TDI in the bed is your best bet, and you might even stay under $10K USD. After you beat him.... make him say "Volkswagen Touareg TDI beats ricer", rapidly 25 times in succession, while bowing toward Wolfsburg! Post videos.
Best wishes.
J.R.
SoCal
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ummmm. how about two engines. one in the front one in the back. You can get 450 bhp out of a tdi so thats 900bhp with two. And ALOT of torques! And its four wheel drive.
or two 1.6's balanced revvin to nine grand with 40+psi
Lets see a gtr beat that!
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If your going to go to that much work and gut the car any way why not start with a
proven platform? Get a 2 wheel drive cummins dodge and shorten the frame so you
can sit your caddy on top ofthe frame. Then just hopup the motor. They can put full
size 4x4 trucks in the 13s no problem and theres one thats full drag that does 8s in
the 1/4. Aslo I've seen those trucks go for 2500 and under if you get a 12 valve.
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Aren't jet engines technically diesel?
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they run on fuel similar to diesel, but they are NOT a diesel engine. they dont have pistons, and dont ignite fuel purely from compression alone..