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General Information => General => Topic started by: burn_your_money on January 13, 2010, 05:53:21 pm
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I'd recommend not reading this post and just skipping to the end. The word to picture ratio is way off.
So I picked up a 89 TD Jetta for dirt cheap to use as a winter beater (bad idea) while my Golf is in for some major surgery.
This is it, don't be fooled
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When I bought the car I wasn't sure if I would drive it or just part it out. It started up ok, but it idled at 2000 RPM due to some pump "adjustments". The body is junk but I looked underneath and there were only a few small holes to patch. All the brake lines looked good except the 2 on the rear beam. Good enough I thought.
I spent about $500 on parts to get it ready for safety. Rotors, pads, bearings that sort of boring stuff. I'm doing the bare minimum on this car since it only has to last me a few months.
I got it safetied no problem but the e-test ended up being a bit of a funny story. I drove it to a drive-in e-test place and asked if they had time to look at it (15 minutes to closing time). No problem he said. So he starts it up and it's idling at 2000 RPM and not puffing any smoke. He taps the throttle a few times and it's actually not smoking. I'm impressed and surprised. Now for those of you that don't know, in Ontario an E-test for a diesel consists of running the car at idle, looking at the exhaust and seeing if it smokes or not. That's it. For some reason this guy decides that it would be necessary to put the pedal to the metal. I forgot to mention that the car came with a governor mod. He completely filled the parking lot with a thick black smoke. I mean filled! He looked at me and just shook his head. I protested that it doesn't smoke at idle and that that is how it is suppose to be tested, not foot to the floor. I said any diesel will smoke if you do that! He said "I can't pass it. It's suppose to idle at 600 anyways". "800-900" I replied. "No 600". "Ok whatever, do you have a wrench and I'll fix it?" He looked at me kind of funny and said "you're a mechanic?" I replied "yes." "Is this your car or a customers?" "Mine." "Why didn't you say something, go wait inside." I'm a bit confused at this point but I head on inside anyways. 5 minutes later he walks up and hands me my E-test certificate. "That'll be $35."
I forget my reasoning but I didn't drive the car right away. I parked it in the neighbors driveway and kept driving my Golf. Then I got sick. It might have been H1N1, maybe not. However I do know it's the sickest I have ever been in my life. I took a week off work and literally just layed in bed. So a week passes and fantastic news, it's now winter and -20C and guess what, the car won't start. In my haste to get the car safetied I neglected to check the glowplugs. Idiot. So it's freezing cold and windy and I'm out there with a propane torch jammed in the intake, the block heater plugged in and my Golf boosting the Jetta. Crank-crank-crank-crank-crank.....crank-crank-crank-crank-crank. Nothing. I'm about ready to give up when I decide to take another look in the engine bay. Remember that voltage drop test DIY I made? Step #1, disconnect the stop solenoid... yep it wasn't plugged back in. So I plug it in, fire up the torch again and double cycle the glowplugs. I crank with my foot to the floor and in the most heavenly sound of the morning my diesel springs to life and revs up to 3000 RPM and then immediately straight back to 0. With renewed hope I cycle the glowplugs once more and give it a crank. It fires up and goes straight to redline (and beyond) and stays there. Crap! I rush to the engine bay and pull the propane torch out of the intake and put my hand there to starve the engine for air. I don't let it completely die and it happily goes to it's 2000 RPM idle. Phew, that was close. I guess when the engine started the first time it blew the flame out and while the glowplugs were cycling the engine was also filling up with propane.
So now that she's running I adjust the max fuel screw so that I have a nice 1100 RPM idle with the fast idle on. Perfect. Now to deal with the 3 flat tires. I leave the car idling and head to the garage to get the air compressor. I'm just about done filling up the last tire when the compressor abruptly shuts off. Dang it, there goes the breaker. So I head to the basement to flip the breaker. Of course the basement light is on the same breaker as the garage so it's black as night down there. I stumble around and eventually find the right one and on comes the lights. Good thing I've practiced this many times before. I head back out to the car only to see clouds of steam rising from the hood. Crap again. I rush over and shut the car off. I glanced at the temp gauge and it was well past the red. Coolant it pissing out everywhere. I'm so mad at this point that I almost set the car on fire. I go back inside and let things cool off.
When I go back out 10 minutes later I notice that the hose that connects the waterpump to the metal distribution pipe has blown a hole in itself. That's my least favorite hose in the whole car. I poke at it a bit with a screwdriver and try and get it to close up some. I fire the car up (started like it was a warm summer day ::) ) and I pour in 4 liters of water. It's a steady stream coming out the bottom. What to do, what to do. It's still -20, I'm still a bit sick and I sure don't want to be laying on the cold ground soaked in coolant changing "that" hose. Gambling time. The shop is 20 minutes away from my house. I top up the cooling system, leave the rad cap off and grab a spare 4 liters of water hoping I can limp it to the shop. Not even close. I managed to get to the onramp for the highway which is 10 minutes from my house. The gauge is in the red again. I pop the hood and top up the cooling system. The car greedily consumes my entire 4L reserve. Now I'm in trouble. I'm far from home and far from the shop. A tow is going to cost me at least $100 I don't have. Not sure what to do I walk to the grocery store which is just around the corner. I aimlessly wonder the aisles debating what to do. The best idea I can come up with is to top it up again and try and get it as close as I can to the shop. At least the tow should be cheaper if I'm closer. I grab 8L of water and head on out again. The car takes another 4L and then she's right full. I hop on the highway and continue on my adventure. I'm staring at the temp gauge, wondering how far this "fix" will last. It's getting warmer, creeping towards the halfway mark. 10 more KM to go til I'm at the shop. The needle reaches the center, I'm getting worried now. But then, it stops. The needle stays dead center of the gauge. Great, now I have electrical problems too... What to do, what to do. I quickly quiz me, myself and I and the decision is unanimous, press on. Now I'm really worried but I get to the shop and the gauge is still dead center. I rush in and open up the shop and pull the car in. I shut it off and pop the hood. Well wouldn't you know it the coolant level is right where it should be. Apparently the hose managed to get itself rearranged enough that it stopped the leak. At least I don't have to do any electrical troubleshooting... I find a used hose in the shop get it all changed up.
Now time for the real issue, the glowplugs. I'm quickly reminded about how much I hate turbos as soon as the LDA gets in the way. All goes well though and turns out I have 2 burnt out plugs. I throw in some good used ones from my collection and everything's gravy.
So this is the point of the thread that you probably skipped over to, so here are the pictures :)
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Oh how I love rust. The car is basically rust and bondo covered in shiny paint.
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I installed one of these filters because they are my favorite. That and the other one was clogged up and filling the pump with air.
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Hopefully I'll get this box of German joy installed soon
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without being rude....HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA.... Sorry man I feel your pain.
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You are definitely on the edge! :D
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Other then the fact that it consumes around 3l/1000kms of oil it runs very well. I don't know what percentage is leakage and what is being burnt. It is a smokey car though, especially in boost.
I forgot to mention all 4 shocks are blown, that's my least favorite part.
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without being rude....HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA.... Sorry man I feel your pain.
X2!! ;D ;D ;D It's days like that that make me seriously consider buying a new car.. Then I remember that I have a shop full of them, that are also broken.. ANd expensive...
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Other then the fact that it consumes around 3l/1000kms of oil it runs very well. I don't know what percentage is leakage and what is being burnt. It is a smokey car though, especially in boost.
I forgot to mention all 4 shocks are blown, that's my least favorite part.
well, we don't call you "burn_your_money" for nothing. Looks like a "FU-n" beater.
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Great read Tyler! I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that has this stuff happen!..... ;D
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....HAHAHAHHAHAH ;D ;D ;D...... Sorry again man... :P
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My last week doesn't top your one day. I think I'm gonna call you lucky eddy from now on LOL. BTW thanks for sharing
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Have you polished this "turd" yet Tyler?
hows it workin out for ya?
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Have you polished this "turd" yet Tyler?
Ya know, I always though it would be fun to start a used car dealer called "Polished Turd Auto Sales".. I'd buy from a place called that.. ;D
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Have you polished this "turd" yet Tyler?
Ya know, I always though it would be fun to start a used car dealer called "Polished Turd Auto Sales".. I'd buy from a place called that.. ;D
hey if the price is right... ;) that nufinish stuff works pretty good at restoring old paint. i tried it on my car and was very satisfied. after a year it faded and i forgot how bad it looked previously :o ;D
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I Just drive the car, that's all. No plans to fix it up... although it may be getting a different turbo in the future... might even splurge and build a pump for it ::)
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I Just drive the car, that's all. No plans to fix it up...
Heard and said that many times..
although it may be getting a different turbo in the future... might even splurge and build a pump for it ::)
And there's the beginning of it all.....
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I Just drive the car, that's all. No plans to fix it up...
Heard and said that many times..
although it may be getting a different turbo in the future... might even splurge and build a pump for it ::)
And there's the beginning of it all.....
A VW with us starts its life off as...Just a beater...then well I'm going to mod it a bit...then before we know it we are eyes deep in a complete rebuilt and thinking to ourselfs what the hell are we doing lol then go buy another beater...
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The only reason to change the turbo is because it's cheaper then buying oil. And the pump is leaking so while in Rome...
Oh crap, you guys are right. :( I'm just trying to justify my mods.
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Oh crap, you guys are right. :( I'm just trying to justify my mods.
Yup!! It's all over now.. The classic, "Since I'm this far into it, I might as well....." has struck...
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I Just drive the car, that's all. No plans to fix it up...
Heard and said that many times..
although it may be getting a different turbo in the future... might even splurge and build a pump for it ::)
And there's the beginning of it all.....
A VW with us starts its life off as...Just a beater...then well I'm going to mod it a bit...then before we know it we are eyes deep in a complete rebuilt and thinking to ourselfs what the hell are we doing lol then go buy another beater...
this is how it starts with EVERY VW, not just the beaters. hahaha
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Bit of troubleshooting for y'all.
I have a CV that is threatening to explode. To be honest I'm afraid to go on the highway tomorrow to get to work. It's really clicking. If I make a turn to the right the clicking completely stops, left it remains the same. What side is bad?
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Typically if it's worse turning right, it's the left.. If it's worse turning left, it's the right.. Although this is not always true, and with a VW nothing is ever typical....
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Typically if it's worse turning right, it's the left.. If it's worse turning left, it's the right.. Although this is not always true, and with a VW nothing is ever typical....
The Ignition in my car was acting up, it would start a couple times then not turn over...Half a turn then stop, couple turn overs...OH LOOK it started....
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Thanks maxfax. I changed the right one because I had a good used one kicking around and no luck. Tomorrow I'll install the left side and hope it works. I think it's the first new CV I've ever purchased. I'm going to be really mad when it breaks.
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Just a little update. Lately I've been noticing an increasingly present turbo whistle. I was pretty concerned but not enough to actually pop the hood and have a look. FTR I have a sprained wrist (snowboarding) and am suppose to be taking it easy ::) So on the drive home tonight I thought "I don't think I've ever really wound this car out." So I did. It made some very scary noises and now I really have a whistle! I think I blew a huge hole in my downpipe. I'll have to have a look at it tomorrow night after work. Looks like I'll have to add a 2.5" downpipe to the wish list :) I don't know if the sound works on my camera but I'll see what I can do
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Beer cans and hose clamps!! IT is just a winter beater afterall... Right?? ;D
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That's actually more effort then I was planning. I'm going to see how it is on the highway and make a call from there. I do think the exhaust fumes will get to me though
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That's actually more effort then I was planning.
you are super lazy Tyler ;)
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I can help by emptying some beer cans!!!
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you are super lazy Tyler ;)
Na it's all about priorites. This car only needs to last a few more months, and when I'm working on it, I'm not working on the Golf.
Besides, this hole in the exhaust seems to have fixed my smoke issue. Before my car was embarrasing to drive, now it hardly smokes at all unless I'm really into it.
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Here is a video I made tonight. I'm starting out in second at idle. I'm not flooring it because the engine is still quite cold. Photobucket kind of messed up the sound a bit, it's a bit louder then what you can hear. The whistle is definitely more pronounced.
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I can help by emptying some beer cans!!!
Come on over. This'll take a few to fix
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ok wait wait wait.. Your entire exhaust system disconnected from the turbo... and you didn't notice...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
is this more effort then you expected? lol get a new downpipe and run it straight to the ground and just dump it there.. how is it for performance being ZERO exhaust and all? :P
Brett get drinking.. ;)
sounds bad'butt'!!
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Hmm... May need some JB-weld on that too.. I was working on a Chevy tonight (my Chevy no less, drunkeness was required), I think I have enough empties for that new downpipe! I like Jeremy's idea of just running it straight down.. ;D
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Performance is up and smoke is down. I have about 1000kms planned this weekend so hopefully mileage goes up as well. I have been averaging 5.8 over the last 4 tanks. I thought about knocking the rest of the downpipe off so there was even less restriction but I didn't want to make it too loud. I might try that when I get back from my trip.
I also installed a rubber valve cover gasket so hopefully it doesn't still eat oil. I run synthetic and it's getting rather expensive.
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Good news bad news.
Good news I filled up and got 5.5l/100. It may have been because I did 300kms all at once so the engine was already at operating temperature.
Bad news I filled up and got bad fuel (I think). Within 20 kms of filling up my car just died on the highway. I had music going and my tach is broken so I couldn't exactly tell what happened but I had zero power. By the time I had shut the music off and pushed the clutch in the engine reved back up. I continued on and about 3 minutes later it did it again. I already had the music off so I pushed the clutch in and tried to rev the engine. No response. My car is kind of loud so I couldn't tell if it was idling or off. I "pumped" the pedal a few times and then it suddenly reved back up. Electrical or fuel supply issue? All my lights stayed on and I don't recall anything else strange happening.
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well, we know it isn't a Voltage Drop issue ;)
Hmm, what about giving the IP just a straight connection to the battery +, and going for a drive? but if your music stayed on.. its doubtful its an electrical thing right? unless you have your radio hard wired to the battery like i do? so a failing ignition wouldn't shut it off?
If it were watery-fuel would your mk2 not have a water sensor or w/e to alert you of this?
Where did you get your "Diesoline" from?
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filter might be full of water and it might not let any diesel by? i would expect YOU of all people to be checking the fuel filter first tho.
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I did a VDT and sure enough.... :P
It ended up being electrical. The connection on the stop solenoid was loose enough that it would lose contact. The stop solenoid doesn't have enough "pull" to pull the plunger back out of the head at high RPMs so it wasn't restarting until I pushed the clutch in and let the engine RPMs fall.
I did check my fuel filter first and there was a concerning amount of ice in it. The drain was actually clogged. I'm going to have to bring the car into the shop and let it thaw out so I can drain the water out.
I filled up at a Shell station. I will pull the sending unit from the tank and see if I can see anything in there.
My water separator was deleted so there were no warning lights. I don't really think they would be working at this stage in the game anyways though.
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I got 5.7l/100kms on my last tank. However I failed to reconnect the LDA after installing the rubber VC gasket. The thing still smokes at WOT and assumed full boost ::)
I think I might try the advance shim mod next to see what that does to the l/100kms. I would adjust the internal pressure but I'm afraid of leaks.
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Tyler, have you had anymore sick days to mess around with your car??
Have you tried to Advance shim mod yet? what exactly does this accomplish? more power up top? or more economy?
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I haven't worked in over a week. Sadly all I can do is watch TV though :( I have to type with only my left hand.
The advance shim mod should shift the advance curve. I think there is a good discussion on it in the FAQ
My last tank was 5.65l/100 over 600 kms, mostly all continuous highway.
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well I got 5.4 on my last tank with my normal commute. I had detuned the pump and also unhooked the LDA. The car is slow as anything. I also took the time to install a boost gauge. I discovered that the way I drive I rarely hit 2 psi. When I merge I'll get up to 4. I did test the turbo out and it will make a solid 8psi if I keep my foot in it. I always knew turbos were worthless, I guess this confirms it :P
I can't wait to get my 1.9NA back
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if you blocked the stupid overboost valve, it would have much better power. and boost controllers really make the turbo spool alot quicker. even in my worn out audi, i just turned up the boost to about 18 psi, and added the boost controller and it made the audi alot quicker.
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I discovered that the way I drive I rarely hit 2 psi. When I merge I'll get up to 4. I did test the turbo out and it will make a solid 8psi if I keep my foot in it. I always knew turbos were worthless, I guess this confirms it :P
I can't wait to get my 1.9NA back
BAHAHAHAHA, that's funny :P. Ain't you a little too young to actually LIKE slowness? :D
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I thought the overboost valve didn't kick in until around 12-15psi?
My 1.9NA is faster then the 1.6TD, especially this one. The weird thing is that I accelerate faster then most of the people around me. When I get on the highway though I just hang out in the slow lane.
It could also be my turbo. If I get up to 4 psi and shift I can hear the compressor rubbing on the housing.
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yea, it should make more boost then that. a turbo engine with a bad turbo, i can most definitely see it being slower than a 1.9 n/a. with a bad turbo, it has to work hard to suck air in, and work even harder to push it back out. instead of the turbo helping to cram the air in there. when the turbo cant make much boost, it can still make a ton of drive pressure. but this is nothing new to you..
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BAHAHAHAHA, that's funny :P. Ain't you a little too young to actually LIKE slowness? :D
What do you need heavy acceleration for anyway ;) Unless your in a Performance vehicle (and no hopped up rabbits dont count).. acceleration is nothing :P
Tyler heard you met my old man :P I conned him to getting it for me lol
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Yes I did meet him. It's a good thing I was there because he forgot what o-ring you needed.
I may end up swapping turbos, I'm dreaming of a K14. I haven't even started working on my Golf yet so this Jetta is going to have to last a while longer yet.
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compression, glow plugs, and good struts are all the car needs to last ;)
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Yep, and if my turbo blows up and causes a runaway we can scratch glowplugs and compression of the list of things that I currently have.
I certainly don't have good struts. I think I have solid rods instead :o
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ughh Turbo's >:(
Get that 1.9 back on the road lol
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I certainly don't have good struts. I think I have solid rods instead :o
My Dad's golf broke something inside one of the stuts and it was rock hard.
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brothers 84 had the same thing when we got it.. oil leakin down the sides.. but not the typical bouncy bad strut.. rock solid bad strut.. the rest of the car bounced around the front passenger side.. made for a fun 300km drive when we picked it up :P
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I realized tonight that I have my fuel turned down a bit too far. Some jerk that didn't know how to share the road needed a good smoking and I couldn't deliver :(
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Turn that thing back up! You KNOW you can make it outrun the 1.9D............... I see you have some turbos for sale, use one if you're worried about the one that's in the car now.
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swapping turbo's is way more work then Tyler would ever do voluntarily :P haha
He doesn't even like turbo's you know. Waste that time swapping one? I DON'T THINK SO lol
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE FUEL ;)
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^^ This guy speaks the truth.
More fuel is on the way, I'm towing tomorrow :o
Which reminds me, I need to put together a roadside turbo delete kit today. Basically something to block the feed line, and 4 liters of oil
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You forgot duct tape and JB weld.....