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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: boosted_diesel_84 on November 16, 2009, 04:05:24 pm
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so i have GTD nozzles installed on my TD, but just does not seem right......so i checked the breaking pressure of them and it was a little low at number 1 being 2150, 2-2300 3-2250- 4- 2150 and these are brand new with less than 8k miles on them, none leaked though, what should i do?
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The breaking pressure is determined by the width of the shims inside the injector. You could lap the shim inside it to make it smaller. A thinner shim would result in higher pressures necessary to break right? can someone else confirm this?
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I haven't done it but I would think the other way. Thicker shim higher breaking pressure. I could be wrong, but the spring would be harder to push if it is compressed more than if it was compressed less.
2278 is what you are looking for correct? I don't know how far off you are allowed but I would think 1 and 4 need some attention.
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Ok, so your injectors are 148 158 155 148 BAR. Bosch uses bar so that is what I'm use to.
How's the car running? If it's smooth I wouldn't worry to much about it. Maybe check them again in another 1000kms and see what's up. If it's idling rough then I would definitely shim up #1 and #4 to around 157 bar.
How was the spray pattern?
Increasing the size of the shim increases the opening pressure
Where did you get your nozzles from?
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Ok, so your injectors are 148 158 155 148 BAR. Bosch uses bar so that is what I'm use to.
How's the car running? If it's smooth I wouldn't worry to much about it. Maybe check them again in another 1000kms and see what's up. If it's idling rough then I would definitely shim up #1 and #4 to around 157 bar.
How was the spray pattern?
Increasing the size of the shim increases the opening pressure
Where did you get your nozzles from?
car runs ok, i think it could be better
spray pattern was good, nozzles were bosch GTD nozzles that i bought new from a seller on ebay
where can i buy shims from and how do i know what thickness i need?
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ah so i was backwards :P
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Ok, so your injectors are 148 158 155 148 BAR. Bosch uses bar so that is what I'm use to.
How's the car running? If it's smooth I wouldn't worry to much about it. Maybe check them again in another 1000kms and see what's up. If it's idling rough then I would definitely shim up #1 and #4 to around 157 bar.
How was the spray pattern?
Increasing the size of the shim increases the opening pressure
Where did you get your nozzles from?
car runs ok, i think it could be better
spray pattern was good, nozzles were bosch GTD nozzles that i bought new from a seller on ebay
where can i buy shims from and how do i know what thickness i need?
The variation probably comes from injector body and spring variations.
A good nozzle operating @148bar is fine.
Best thing to do is to lap the higher pressure shims down to meet the lower pressures.
Firstly dissasemble those two injectors and check the thicknesses of the shims.
If the thickest shim is on the 155 bar injector then putting the other shim in will bring you down some.... Maybe enough, then you only need to lap one shim only.
This is easier than lapping mating surfaces which may lead to body leaks.
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well what if i just wanted to send them out to a rebuilder to get a second opinion, and have them fix it, who is good and cheap?
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no such thing as 'cheap and good', unless you look in the mirror. ;D
An alternative to shim or spring abrading, is to use little pieces of tape measure spring. These will raise the pressures between 7 and 10 bar. You can make 500 for a few $.
Putting these shims under the existing shims of the 2 148bar injectors, will thus bring everything into spec.
Contrary to the myth created by the normally very astute Mercedes Forum gang, the hole in the shim is totally unneccessary, or at the very least does not restrict leakoff. 8)
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no such thing as 'cheap and good', unless you look in the mirror. Grin
;)