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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: moTthediesel on September 10, 2009, 07:55:57 pm

Title: broken crank
Post by: moTthediesel on September 10, 2009, 07:55:57 pm
I think I broke my damn crank! Anybody else ever hear of this in this happening on a 1.6 TD?
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: burn_your_money on September 10, 2009, 07:57:00 pm
Pictures or it never happened!

What makes you think you broke it?
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: jtanguay on September 10, 2009, 08:46:56 pm
you'll have to call Guinness world records  :o
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: Baron VonZeppelin on September 10, 2009, 10:44:21 pm
Running over it with a bulldozer does not count !
Hollow grinding the journals is an exclusion too ......
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: maxfax on September 10, 2009, 11:02:14 pm
Running over it with a bulldozer does not count !

That won;t break them either..   Well unless it's bigger than an early 40's Cat D8, then maybe.....
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: fukengruven1982 on September 10, 2009, 11:42:30 pm
not buyin it....lets see pics
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: Zulfiqar on September 11, 2009, 06:08:19 am
VWs oldschool crank supplier used depleted uranium  :)  pics or you aint broke it - If you have Guiness world records call it is.
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: Rabbit on Roids on September 11, 2009, 09:09:11 am
i gotta see this...
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: moTthediesel on September 12, 2009, 07:19:28 pm
Well, it's either broken or all the flywheel bolts have sheared off, because the starter cranks the flywheel, but the timing end of the crank doesn't turn.

This is an all-star grenade job, as the pistons and valves have had a cornfield meet too -- without the timing belt breaking.  So either the engine (which was running great) suddenly jumped several teeth on a brand new T belt at all of about 1500 rpm, causing the valve crash and resulting in the sheering of said bolts. Or, the crank broke, causing the valves to go out of time, and resulting in them saying hello to the pistons.

I won't know until I perform a full postmortem, and that won't happen for some time, as I'm walking away from it for awhile for the sake of my (too late?) sanity.
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: theman53 on September 12, 2009, 07:22:02 pm
Or the cam gear slipped.
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: Rabbit TD on September 12, 2009, 07:44:28 pm
Or the cam gear slipped.
Yes that set up scares me too everytime I loosen that bolt and pop the gear loose.  I'm really carefull and probably excessive too tightening that bolt, I also use blue locctite on it
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: moTthediesel on September 12, 2009, 07:45:27 pm
Or the cam gear slipped.

Only way I can see that is if the cam bearings seized, but I guess that's possible --
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: Patrick on September 13, 2009, 04:01:13 am
I saw a siezes cam once a bunch of years ago on a gasser. My brother put the engine together with the wrong head gasket, no oil to a couple of journals.
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: rabbitman on September 15, 2009, 01:18:17 pm
Or the cam gear slipped.

X2, some people torque the cam bolt to 45ft-lbs just to make sure.

My guess is the gear slipped and when the valves and pistons hit and stopped the crank then the flywheels inertia made it keep spinning and break the bolts. Someone else on here had the bolts break too.
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: Syncroincity on September 16, 2009, 02:46:39 am
Don't say it never happens...

Karl M.'s TDI failure at 3500 rpm: (photos lifted from YahooGroups TDI conversion site)

(http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/375542/sn/893453253/name/n_a)

(http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/375542/sn/1245798133/name/n_a)
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: maxfax on September 16, 2009, 03:17:09 am
Sort of looks like a casting flaw there...
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: Rabbit on Roids on September 16, 2009, 07:26:33 am
thats DEFINITELY a broken crank. i would say that these cranks do indeed break.
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: arb on September 16, 2009, 07:39:23 am
It would be nice to see a close up of the fracture...
Title: Re: broken crank
Post by: bevboyy on September 16, 2009, 05:54:30 pm
That is plain nasty :o