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General Information => General => Topic started by: 8v-of-fury on September 03, 2009, 08:19:29 pm
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SEE HOW CRAPPY IT LOOKS WHEN YOU DO IT CHEAP!?!?!?! ;D ;D ;D
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:P ;D I'm satisfied.. anything is better then what I had before ::)
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FYI. It still looks like $hit.
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it looks like a mexi paint job. all the stupid acuras and civics up here that the mexicans drive look like that same paint job. flat paint would have looked way better over an already crappy paint job. flat sprays way nicer, and doesnt look "rattle canned" afterwards.
and you should have filled in the entire trim strip recess, not just in the back doors and fenders.
good job anyway tho, it looks a hell of alot better than it did btw.
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Black is better than the multicoloredness it was ;D hit it with a buffer and maybe it'll shine up some.
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It looks better then before at least
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FYI. It still looks like $hit.
Thank-you I think it looks pretty good too :)
Btw its rolled on, one coat, and I'm not done yet. Gonna hit it with some 1000 then 2000 wetsand and spray on the final coat.
And i dont really care how crappy it looks to your standards.. its still a learning curve to me
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I think it is beautiful. I want to take all my paint equipment back and do it that way! The only thing is I feel army green with a white star on the top would have been better. Also I have 2 sets of those rims for my VWs. I like them, but I have always had a better ride on my 175/70 r 13 than those 14 or any other size. Great job.
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FYI. It still looks like $hit.
Thank-you I think it looks pretty good too :)
Btw its rolled on, one coat, and I'm not done yet. Gonna hit it with some 1000 then 2000 wetsand and spray on the final coat.
And i dont really care how crappy it looks to your standards.. its still a learning curve to me
seen a few people do the rolling method, the darker colors seem to look very "heavy" you say you did one coat but it makes it look like 5!
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For better results, and still on the cheap: try an airless home-paint sprayer and some acrylic enamel. It goes on smooth, requires no compressor, and will never peel (provided you sanded it).
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What's that red around the headlights.....looks like dat car been a-smokin' something.....................
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Btw its rolled on, one coat, and I'm not done yet. Gonna hit it with some 1000 then 2000 wetsand and spray on the final coat.
You'll be sanding for days with 1000 to get the texture/orange peel out of a roller coat.
Let it dry REAL good - maybe a week.
Sand it with 320 wet to eliminate "most of the roll texture" , followed with 500 wet.
Try not to carelessly sand through the color, especially careful on edges.
Then spray your coat.
1000 then 2000 technique would be if you were just doing an easy Re-ClearCoat on a nice fresh show car paint job. Or Re-ClearCoating an excellent factory finish.
The paint you're using would probably lose its adhesion put on over 1000 or 2000 prep.
S-Flakes Rule the Road !
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Looks terrible. But for a roller job that isn't finished... You still can't tell yet. :P
Do a google search for roller paint jobs on cars. Follow a DIY because they can turn out well. I have a buddy that tried it on his firebird. It turned out pretty good. It's all about the sanding after.
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You'll be sanding for days with 1000 to get the texture/orange peel out of a roller coat.
Let it dry REAL good - maybe a week.
Sand it with 320 wet to eliminate "most of the roll texture" , followed with 500 wet.
Try not to carelessly sand through the color, especially careful on edges.
Then spray your coat.
1000 then 2000 technique would be if you were just doing an easy Re-ClearCoat on a nice fresh show car paint job. Or Re-ClearCoating an excellent factory finish.
The paint you're using would probably lose its adhesion put on over 1000 or 2000 prep.
S-Flakes Rule the Road !
Well there is no roller look because i didnt use a conventional roller. I used a foam roller for Acoustic ceilings. It doesn't have a texture.. just flat.. so maybe a 1000 to sand down the imperfections then a good coat or two with spray can will be to my likings. I mean its to my likings now. so it can only get better right?
I don't like how 400-500 looks after, leaves marks that will show up in black spray paint.. won't they? thats the only reason I thought 1000, is because I want it to be like glass when I lay down the spray. What do you think?
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Nope, spray can/rattle ball will look worse - unless you buy the fan tip nozzle variety - and are an absolute expert spray man. You'll only get a 2-3" spray pattern - thats a lot of overlapping strokes to maintain.
And won't hold up as well either.
Azzuming you used an exterior oil based enamel on the roller coat.
You can clear over 600.
Painting over 500 is nothing to worry unless you have fragile/weak substrates underneath what you're topcoating. Or using an attacking type paint such as a lacquer base product.
I'd spray a coat of whatever you used the first time.
Or roll another coat.
Pix looked like it had heavy texture or maybe uneven coverage.
Pix can lie too. If it looks good enough in person, then it looks good enough.
If you decide to go rattle ball - just do one panel to start with.
And judge results from there.
The flat panels will not hold up very well with rattle ball.
The side panels will do okay for a while.
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What do you mean when you say spray can will not hold up very well, Baron?? In the picture at the top the whole back half is spray bombed, and it held that way for a year and a half. and it was one coat of trem clad semi gloss on a non sanded clear coat. So i don't know what you mean.
I rolled on Trem-Clad Gloss, after sanding everything with a 200, then 400 wet. In the pictures it was just after i finished painting.. still drying. This is day after, all dry and shiny. Also remember these are taken with my cell-phone.
p.s the hood has a brushed on texture, because last spring i decided to brush paint my hood.. it didn't sand down to well.. So be it. lol ;)
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This was said single spray coat over non sanded clear after one and half years of wear and tear.. and after a nice wash :) lol
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I say mask it off and go 3 or 4-color hot pink&purple camo
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As hot as that would be.. I don't think I am the type of guy who could pull it off! LOL
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What do you mean when you say spray can will not hold up very well, Baron?? In the picture at the top the whole back half is spray bombed, and it held that way for a year and a half. and it was one coat of trem clad semi gloss on a non sanded clear coat. So i don't know what you mean.
The main reason you don't know what i mean, is because you haven't been doing top notch refinish work for almost 25 years.
Don't misunderstand, that i realize you aren't in any way trying to do that anyhow. That much goes without saying.
Soaking wet with the water still running off the car - as it is in your picture, even primer can look okay.
A semi-gloss like you used before is going to be harder to gauge the rate of deteriation - as opposed to the Gloss finish you are going for now.
Do your car exactly the way you feel like doing it.
You've definitely got it by the balls there tiger.
But i have seen a couple oil base exterior enamel paint jobs sprayed on that looked pretty spiffy for the coin spent (well...not spent). And they held up fairy well for about 3-4 years. But they were not Black (fwiw). And they were not mine.
I have never seen a Gloss rattle ball painted hood or trunklid that still looked good (glossy with reflection and distinction of images) for more than a month or two, of normal driven operation. Keep in mind i'm not talking about buffing it or polishing it to try and maintain it. But one coat won't handle very much of that anyway.
If you keep it in a garage and never drive it but small amounts in fair weather, it could go longer. But gloss black, from a rattle ball sprayer, is about the worst choice there is.
This is just friendly advice.
And your hood looks like pure hell. ;)
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ok. so say i decide to use the gloss roll on as my base coat on getting a good setup for a good spray on..
Baron, you say your Pro so please just give me straight up answers like you have been :) it's alot easier to take criticism when it's serious.
Say I want to do a spray coat of Semi, or Flat. will it go on over the gloss roll on well? I mean I understand it's not going to look Fantastic, but that's OK because it's not the look I am going for. What will I need to start with for a good Grit to get the roller coat smooth? like a 320 dry followed by a 500 wet as you suggested? For either of these coats.. do you suggest sander or by hand?
I mean I would like this to come out ok.. the way it is I have gotten a dozen or so compliments soo.. it can only get better right? :)
What do you suggest Baron?
p.s how come your username only has like 30 something posts? is this a new user under the same name variation? Or am I thinking of your Vortex username? :o
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8V, I just recently joined here. But been guest reading here for a while.
Yeps, this is my Vortex and my general www screen name.
Using what you have as a ground coat sounds ideal for what you're doing and looking to accomplish.
At first i thought that was the plan of attack you were using.
But i overshot a bit on that.
Stay with the same brand, or at least same base type (aka oil base, latex, whatever is on there now). Going to Semi-gloss or Eggshell will be fine.
If you're staying with Black, one of those would be the best choice versus Gloss. Gloss Black will magnify most all imperfections in the body or the paint.
I wouldn't use Flat. Because your semi-gloss or eggshell is going to weather and be flat in a matter of time. About a year or so probably, as a guess.
If you start flat black, as it weathers it goes to chalk grey.
Me, i'd run over the bulk areas with 220-240 dry on a D/A sander to get it knocked flat quickly. Come back over those areas with 320 dry on the sander. Then go back over whole car with 500 wet. Then get around all the tight spots with red or grey scotch-brite.
I have done some commercial spraying with air spray equipment using oil base enamel. 3 parts paint to 1 part mineral spirits worked nice for me.
If you use a Wagner or airless sprayer - do some spray tests on big cardboard or something before hitting the car, and work out your thinning ratio to where it lays out nice and smooth quickly and easily - without running off.
Normally it will say no reduction or thinning required. That doesn't mean you are best off without thinning it. It just means you don't HAVE to thin it for it to be spray-able. Test to your preference before spraying it on the car regardless of what spray equipment you use.
Ideally, 2 medium wet coats that lay out easy and quick, will dry better and look better than mashing 1 heavy thick coat on it. Keep a small 1" high quality brush nearby in case you do run it somewhere.
Good Luck
And do some more prep on that Hood !
Its supposed to be the best looking panel on a fresh paint job.