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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: ilikevwdiesel on August 13, 2009, 06:09:53 pm
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anybody know the weight of a complete MF or AAZ engine, complete meaning engine with pump, turbo, alternator and clutch/flywheel?
thanks in advance
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Weight of a complete AAZ is 400 lbs. I shipped one in a wood crate, it was 432 lbs
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thanks I appreciate that info.
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lifted this from a rebuilder site for the 1.6
Shipping Weights:
1-Block 80 lbs
2-Head 35 lbs
3-Crank 38 lbs
4-Rods 6 lbs
5-Pistons 8 lbs
6-Oil Pump 5 lbs
7-Oil Pan & Valve Cover 8 lbs
8-Gasket Set & Bearings 3 lbs
Total Weight For Kit 183 lbs
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lifted this from a rebuilder site for the 1.6
Shipping Weights:
1-Block 80 lbs
2-Head 35 lbs
3-Crank 38 lbs
4-Rods 6 lbs
5-Pistons 8 lbs
6-Oil Pump 5 lbs
7-Oil Pan & Valve Cover 8 lbs
8-Gasket Set & Bearings 3 lbs
Total Weight For Kit 183 lbs
That feels about right... my Caravan is really sitting high with such a light engine...
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400 lbs is not light
a small block chevy is 525 or something dressed running.
i can not lift 400 lbs, i dont care what anyone says. and i can pack a whole 1.6 MF.
a 22r weighs 315 lbs fully dressed. i can pack one of those too..
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Great post, always wondered about weight for choosing a suspension.
Most coils are available fo 8V, 16V,. or V6 swap for MKII.
Would also like to know weight of :
8V
16V
V6
MF
AAZ
Thanks much if anyone knows ;)
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400 lbs is not light
a small block chevy is 525 or something dressed running.
i can not lift 400 lbs, i dont care what anyone says. and i can pack a whole 1.6 MF.
a 22r weighs 315 lbs fully dressed. i can pack one of those too..
Is your rabbit on roids or are you? ;D
For what it's worth... my personal record is a pair of shortblocks at once. I had chains, and I had my nifty little shackle plates that I made to lift and move shortblocks more easily, secured fore and aft with two 11mm bolts...
I only had to go a short way, but I'd be willing to be those shortblocks (gasser 8v) totaled over three hundred. There doesn't seem to be a hugely noticeable difference between a 1.8 8v gasser shortblock and a nonturbo 1.6 diesel shortblock.
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400 lbs is not light
a small block chevy is 525 or something dressed running.
i can not lift 400 lbs, i dont care what anyone says. and i can pack a whole 1.6 MF.
a 22r weighs 315 lbs fully dressed. i can pack one of those too..
Is your rabbit on roids or are you? ;D
For what it's worth... my personal record is a pair of shortblocks at once. I had chains, and I had my nifty little shackle plates that I made to lift and move shortblocks more easily, secured fore and aft with two 11mm bolts...
I only had to go a short way, but I'd be willing to be those shortblocks (gasser 8v) totaled over three hundred. There doesn't seem to be a hugely noticeable difference between a 1.8 8v gasser shortblock and a nonturbo 1.6 diesel shortblock.
I'm with you :-) Although I usually agree with Rabbit on Roids, my personal experience is the 1.6L TD is lighter than th Dodge 2.5 NA engine my Caravan had OEM.
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no no no. just because im 6'7" doesnt mean im on roids. those engines are NOT 400 lbs. a 22r is WAY WAY bigger than a MF.
i will take a pic side by side just to prove a point if i have to. these engines are NOT 400 lbs. i dont care what anyone says. no one can tell me that one is 400. the V6 out of my toyota isnt even 400, and it has 2 heads, 2 more pistons, 1 more cam, and a bunch more *** than a 1.6. they weigh like 250 to 300 lbs max. i would bet my left nut on it!
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Maybe that AAZ was shipped with a tranny? I would think that the aaz block couldn't be much more than the 1.6 since they will basically bolt up in the same engine compartment with no problems I would guess that it would be just over 200?
Rabbit on roids: I am with you on the carrying engine stuff. My best was carrying a Ford 400 Just block crank and pistons 25 to 30 yards to my trailer to haul away. That was 14 years ago when I was a powerlifter and not worried about hurting myself. I could deadlift 700lbs, but never got it clean in competition. I have no idea what that 400 weighed but it was about all I could handle!
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If me and my old man can pick up an AAZ with little fight they ain't 400lbs lol.
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FINALLY! last time we went over this, i lost bad, everyone agreed with someone else that these engines are NOT 400 lbs. c'mon guys, a small block chevy V8 is ALL CAST IRON. they have 2 heads! and a huge block! there is no chance a 1.6 or 1.9 with or without trans and accessories weighs within 100 lbs of a small block. they are like 300 max, and thats with a trans and flywheel bolted on still. but yea, i think a safe weight is about 200 lbs. maybe 250 if it has all the accessories still.
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Jack at VWdieselparts.com sez a complete 1.6 TD weighs in at 385 lbs. I have no reason to doubt him he's probably shipped a hundred of em in his day.
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Just heaving the head with the turbo attached nearly killed me! What is it made of, depleted uranium? :P
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The 1.6 TD bottom end is about 150 pounds. That's oil pan, crank, rods and pistons, plus the block of course. I was pretty mad about that too because it was 5 pounds over the maximum that they would ship.
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Just heaving the head with the turbo attached nearly killed me! What is it made of, depleted uranium? :P
My first quote that I ripped off the other site was from Jack...go to his engine rebuild page and you will see the exact info I posted for the 1.6.
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Read my lips: A. A. Z. weighs 400 lbs, not a 1.6, we're not arguing about the same motors. This motor was wet, no tranny, but with every hose, motor mount, wire harness, bolt & nut as it came out of the car, and I weighed it twice, once on a fish scale at home, and then again on a certified scale at Forward Air, shipped weight in a wooden box was 432 lbs... even allowing a 50 lb box, it's still pretty close...
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The 1.6 TD bottom end is about 150 pounds. That's oil pan, crank, rods and pistons, plus the block of course. I was pretty mad about that too because it was 5 pounds over the maximum that they would ship.
man that box seemed heavier than that, but even with the tote, and other stuff, I think it only weighed ~170 +- 10%
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Read my lips: A. A. Z. weighs 400 lbs, not a 1.6, we're not arguing about the same motors. This motor was wet, no tranny, but with every hose, motor mount, wire harness, bolt & nut as it came out of the car, and I weighed it twice, once on a fish scale at home, and then again on a certified scale at Forward Air, shipped weight in a wooden box was 432 lbs... even allowing a 50 lb box, it's still pretty close...
OK so you have 10 pounds of oil, some coolant approx 2 pounds say, another 15 in brackets, 10 in rubber, probably 10 in wiring harness, 15 for the fuel pump, another 5 in misc attachments and doodads, and add the 50 for the box, so all said and done you have to 127 off of that to ballpark the bare longblock weight. So 432-127= 305 give or take.
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I have a really hard time believing one of those little IPs weighs 15 pounds. I'll have to weigh one of my spares when I get home.
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we're ballparking here, its the fluids that throw us off.
OK this was posted by Storx at the TDI forum
various diesel engines:
1600cc(Gas)-159.2 Pds
1835cc(Gas)-160.3 Pds
1835cc(Gas-Turbo)-181.1 Pds
2180cc(Gas)-164.5 Pds
2393cc(Gas)-188.0 Pds
2792cc(Gas)-197.3 Pds
2792cc(Gas-Supercharged)243.8 Pds
1588cc(Diesel)-277.3 Pds
1588cc(Diesel-Turbo)-283.7 Pds
1896cc(Diesel)-282.9 Pds
1896cc(Diesel-Turbo)-297.0 Pds
I am guessing that these are dry weights longblocks only no extras in or on them.
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I feel good in my old age *31* ;). I can roll the 1.6 block anyway I want. I carried my engine with all the stuff in it still bolted to my engine stand out of my basement. If that last post is true I must not be as big of a whimp as I thought I was becomming ;D. Right now everything except the oil pan intake and exhaust is on it and I consider it light...for an engine of course.
BTW in my second post I noted we were taking about the 1.9L. I just couldn't imagine it weighing that much. Jack's shipping weights are way off on the 1.6 too.
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Read my lips: A. A. Z. weighs 400 lbs, not a 1.6, we're not arguing about the same motors. This motor was wet, no tranny, but with every hose, motor mount, wire harness, bolt & nut as it came out of the car, and I weighed it twice, once on a fish scale at home, and then again on a certified scale at Forward Air, shipped weight in a wooden box was 432 lbs... even allowing a 50 lb box, it's still pretty close...
I picked my 1.9 AAZ off the tailgate of the truck, and my back said 350-400lb with fluids, hoses, a/c, PS pump, Alt.. No tranny, flywheel. (OH and I put it right back on the tailgate :P) Now to solve this I'll put the motor on the race car scales wet, in the next couple of weeks. I want to know what it weighs since I want to compare My old project: cumming 6bt 1000lb, SM465 175lb, np203/205 250lb, to my new project: 1.9 AAZ, toyota 5 speed, dual toyata transfercases.
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ok, here is something to compare to. a turbo 350 automatic and NP 205 transfer weighs in at a little over 400 lbs. they are freakin heavy. i cant pick one of those up without help, and last time it took 2 people on the TC end. theres no way an aaz or mf or cr or ck or tdi or anything weighs as much as one of those. asnd lets go with apples to apples here. dont weigh the AC pump, or power steering pumps or anything like that. basically only the things it needs on it to run. i say 300 pounds is the most one of these engines is.
oh yea, there is no way an injector pump weighs in at 15 lbs. maybe with all the bracketry and the sprocket, but not just the pump.
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I am the receiver of the 432lb box in question. I should mention it also had a clutch flywheel and pressure plate, downpipe sawed off at the flex section, alternator power steering pump. I didn't weigh it myself, but I moved it and it kicked my skinny butt. I could easily believe it weighed every bit of those 400+lbs
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ok, here is something to compare to. a turbo 350 automatic and NP 205 transfer weighs in at a little over 400 lbs. they are freakin heavy. i cant pick one of those up without help, and last time it took 2 people on the TC end. theres no way an aaz or mf or cr or ck or tdi or anything weighs as much as one of those. asnd lets go with apples to apples here. dont weigh the AC pump, or power steering pumps or anything like that. basically only the things it needs on it to run. i say 300 pounds is the most one of these engines is.
oh yea, there is no way an injector pump weighs in at 15 lbs. maybe with all the bracketry and the sprocket, but not just the pump.
th350= 120lb
NP205= 135lb
adaptor= 5lb
Not trying to be a Ass, I'm just a huge chevy guy and Know these weights, also shipped them all before. This is all dry.
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ok, well you are negating everything else now. if i can pack a VW, it must weigh less than a turbo 400 and transfer case. so if a trans/tc weighs about 250, that makes a VW alot lighter! :)
and i meant to compare a TH400 and NP20X, i cant remember what model, but the 205 is all cast iron isnt it? this one may have been a 203 or 208, i cant remember exactly what one. it was a part time model out of a late 70's ride.
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I wasn't trying to be a ass, just a been a huge Chevy truck guy. Still have my Full top convertable '74 blazer, and just sold my '84 blazer rock crawler to built my IDI crawler. 8)
205 was all cast gear driven (god of transfercases) 135lb
203 all-wheel drive cast with chain drive (front case used for doubler) 135-145lb
208/241 aluminum chain drive, would say about 75-100lb
I'll try to weigh my AAZ before I put the adaptor plate and Toyota flywheel on it. I was looking at a AAZ on ebay in CA. When I called they said the ship weight was about 400lb.
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I wasn't trying to be a ass, just a been a huge Chevy truck guy. Still have my Full top convertable '74 blazer, and just sold my '84 blazer rock crawler to built my IDI crawler. 8)
205 was all cast gear driven (god of transfercases) 135lb
203 all-wheel drive cast with chain drive (front case used for doubler) 135-145lb
208/241 aluminum chain drive, would say about 75-100lb
I'll try to weigh my AAZ before I put the adaptor plate and Toyota flywheel on it. I was looking at a AAZ on ebay in CA. When I called they said the ship weight was about 400lb.
Does the Toyota flywheel have some machining done to it so it will bolt up?
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yea, the center has to be spun out and a new bolt pattern drilled. toyota has 6 bolts, but one is oddly placed. toyota patters is 6 even bolts.
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Like Rabbit said, the center hole on the flywheel must be opened up. 5 out of the 6 bolts are degree'd the same. But the pattern on the VW is a larger dia. then the toy. Some put a vw pattern inbetween the toy's, some slot the holes out. Some open up the holes :o
I welded one of the toy holes, slotted the holes out to the right dia. then put a new 6th hole in.
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works just fine? this is one of the swaps im going to be doing in the future. but im gonna use a rebuilt DE 2.0 TD and i will be bolting it in a lifted 89 4Runner. my swap should be slightly easier tho, as the DE has 8 FW bolts and so do V6 yotas. and they are all evenly spaced. so i should just have to make the holes longer or shorter, spin the center out, and be good to go.
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I think I'll have the adaptor and flywhel on before I can get anyone to help me get it off the engine stand! :P
Anywere I can get good info on the DE 2.0 td? I was thinking about one of those in a 70's series II rover with a toy tranny.
The only thing you might need to look at is if the FW bolt patterens have the same Diameter.
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400 lbs is not light
a small block chevy is 525 or something dressed running.
i can not lift 400 lbs, i dont care what anyone says. and i can pack a whole 1.6 MF.
a 22r weighs 315 lbs fully dressed. i can pack one of those too..
Pretty soon, yer Rabbit ain't going to be the only one with roids!!!!!
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you want to see a pic of me with an entire engine? sorry but i dont have one complete enough layin around.