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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Rabbit on Roids on July 10, 2009, 02:25:32 pm
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what do you guys know about these audi 5k turbo cars? are they quattro? is it worth $650 bucks? it has a blown head gasket, but still runs. car is very clean, but its got a slush box (automatic) in it. i kinda dig the car. just want some input from you guys, i dont know jack about audis.
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No diesel-quattros before A6. 2,0TD is basicly 1,6TD with 1 extra cylinder.
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If I could find one in New Zealand I would have it...... Snap it up.
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Recent topic of discussion in General:http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=19718.0 (http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=19718.0)
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I'm playing devil's advocate here. I caution people against old "luxury" cars... I used to work in parts and I saw a lot of people get in over their heads with a BMW, Mercedes or Audi "fixer upper" due to higher than anticipated complexity and costs of repair. It's just not as easy or cheap to fix up an Audi as a VW, sorry.
I'm not saying this type of project should never be attempted, you just need to research the cost and time required to fix it given the worst case scenario. It looks like people here have some experience with these engines. You also look like you've spent plenty of time under a hood and you could probably make a good decision. If the rest of the car is in great shape and you really like it, buy it. If you have any doubts though, I wouldn't do it.
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well, the car its self looks awesome. its white, has a bunch of power options, but it has a slush box, but that can be fixed. i know they built 5000's with manuals. and they also had quattro 5k's. so i could make this into something extremely sweet.
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id just be worried if it's a cracked head and not a hg. cause finding a replacement could be quite a chore.
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well, the car its self looks awesome. its white, has a bunch of power options, but it has a slush box, but that can be fixed. i know they built 5000's with manuals. and they also had quattro 5k's. so i could make this into something extremely sweet.
You're right, it's not too hard to find manual transmissions to put into these. However, the '82 you're looking at is a type 43, and wasn't available with Quattro. I've never heard of anyone converting a type 43 to Quattro, although I know 43s and 44s do have a lot of parts that are compatible. A long time ago I had an '83 5000 TD, and I swapped over a leather interior from an '86 5000 TQ. The seats pretty much bolted right in. Again, just because I've never heard of a type 43 Quattro doesn't mean it can't be done. I know a lot of guys have converted their old FWD Coupes to Quattro using 4000 parts.
By the way, if you do end up buying it and swapping in a 5-speed, you may want to stay away from the ones from the NA diesels. They were geared really low. My friend had one, and the speedometer needle hadn't even started to move before he shifted into 2nd.
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id just be worried if it's a cracked head and not a hg. cause finding a replacement could be quite a chore.
It is a huge chore to find a good head for these in North America.
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These old Audis are great, but they can be a real pain to keep on the road - it's exactly the complexity that was already mentioned.
I bought a 1989 80 2.3 Quattro this summer, and it was supposed to be a daily driver. Well, now it is, but it's very expensive to run, and even basic mainteance often requires a 2-pillar lift. Given another chance, I would have bought another VW, and never looked back.
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ive got plenty of vw's tho. and i know vw diesels are pretty indestructible. im not so sure about the slush box its got in it. im probably going to end up building some sort of 5 speed trans out of a GT coupe or 5000 non quattro or something. why would it take a service lift to keep it on the road? ive been wrenching for almost 10 years, and have never NEEDED a lift for anything. theres no quattro to maintain or anything like that.
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id just be worried if it's a cracked head and not a hg. cause finding a replacement could be quite a chore.
It is a huge chore to find a good head for these in North America.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but I purchased a new one off of eBay a couple of months ago for $300. My friend bought a good used one (no cracks) last month off eBay for $240. Hard to find, yes, but not impossible. Remember, the NA ones will work too. They still make brand new AAB heads in Europe. It should be able to be retrofitted similar to putting a 1.9 head on a mechanical 1.6 block.
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Sorry to get off topic, but whats a slush box? ???
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an automatic transmission.
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I have a few kkm driven good 2,0TD cylinder head for sale ;)
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Audi 5000's are awesome.
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...WOAH! clear over in finland tho? that would be hell for shipping.
and im pretty sure it probably is just a HG. the owner said that there is oil in the coolant, and he said it pressurizes the coolant. and with a cracked head, usually it will act normal until it gets warmed up a bit. then it will start leaking and pressurizing stuff.
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The 5000 Turbo Diesels were only made in 83.... I have 2 of them and neither run. I wouldn't eliminate that its a cracked head, that's the Achilles heel of these cars. I also have an 80 5k with an 83 TD engine and a manual. I DEFINITELY would NOT recommend the NA diesel manual, it is geared very low. I would still pick up the car though, that price is good, I have heard there were only 500 of these cars imported to the U.S.
And yes, heads are a HUGE chore to find, I need two of them. A bit OT, but does anyone know a place that can redo cracked audi heads?
And the quattro question, it may be easier to transplant the diesel into a later audi quattro, here is a thread from the guy I bought my 1980 5000 from.
http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17930
My car is actually in the second picture, the one with the SAAB wheels
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The 5000 Turbo Diesels were only made in 83.... I have 2 of them and neither run. I wouldn't eliminate that its a cracked head, that's the Achilles heel of these cars. I also have an 80 5k with an 83 TD engine and a manual. I DEFINITELY would NOT recommend the NA diesel manual, it is geared very low. I would still pick up the car though, that price is good, I have heard there were only 500 of these cars imported to the U.S.
And yes, heads are a HUGE chore to find, I need two of them. A bit OT, but does anyone know a place that can redo cracked audi heads?
And the quattro question, it may be easier to transplant the diesel into a later audi quattro, here is a thread from the guy I bought my 1980 5000 from.
http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17930
Cracked between the valves? Can't any good aluminum welder fill those cracks?
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I think you "CAN" weld it back up, but it will more than likely crack again, won't it?
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I think you "CAN" weld it back up, but it will more than likely crack again, won't it?
Weld it up then send it out to get the exhaust port ceramic coated to decrease the heat differential across that thin bit of metal? And while you're at it, send out to get the pistons ceramic coated and skirt treatment? :D
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Head can be welded, it'll be as good as new. New 4-cyl head is cheaper to buy than fix several cracks, but 5-cyl could be different story.
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if the head had been doing crack, i will just weld it up, i have a grinder and a welder. i can do anything.
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ive got plenty of vw's tho. and i know vw diesels are pretty indestructible. im not so sure about the slush box its got in it. im probably going to end up building some sort of 5 speed trans out of a GT coupe or 5000 non quattro or something. why would it take a service lift to keep it on the road? ive been wrenching for almost 10 years, and have never NEEDED a lift for anything. theres no quattro to maintain or anything like that.
Well, the 5000 does have a bit more room under the hood but at least with a 5-cylinder typ89, you have to do a lot of servicing from under the engine bay. Need to change an oil filter? Or tighten your belts? etc, you need to get under the car and take the bottom air dam off to gain access to anything... Yes I know the 5000 is a bit different, but my point is these Audis are more involving to service / repair than VWs.
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ok, thats fine. im used to getting under rigs to maintain them. i spend as much time under my 4runner as i do driving it, it seems like anyway. and if the oil filter is too much of a *** to change, i will just put a remote filter mount setup on it, thats what i did with my runner. they mount the filter on the front drivers side of the engine, behind an engine mount, and basically up side down. its stupid trying to thread a filter *full of oil* onto the flange that points up. when i get a vehicle, its always hard to work on at first, then i work on it, figure things out a little bit, and then i learn how to do things way easier.
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I always hated that upside down oil filter business on my MGB. It was such a mess trying to change the filter and oil used to go everywhere. I never bothered my arse trying to put oil in the new filter before screwing it on. I just cranked the engine with the main HT lead disconnected to get the oil flowing a bit, and then started it up and the gauge used to fly up almost immediately, which in my book is fine. On my Syncro it was a bit better but was still messy business. The only car I had that had no oil filter hassle was my 74 bay window bus, and thats cause it didnt have an oil filter!
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The only car I had that had no oil filter hassle was my 74 bay window bus, and thats cause it didnt have an oil filter!
it did too have an oil filter. not a spin on one like we are used to. you remove those 6 bolts around the oil plug and under that round plate is the oil filter.
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Thats not called a filter. Its called a strainer. Its just a piece of dome shaped gauze really. I used to rinse that in petrol and put it back in. It wasnt necessary to replace it (even though I did anyway on one of the oil changes). Its the reason why the damn thing needed an oil change every 3000 miles. A right pain in the arse.
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Well, the 5000 does have a bit more room under the hood but at least with a 5-cylinder typ89, you have to do a lot of servicing from under the engine bay. Need to change an oil filter? Or tighten your belts? etc, you need to get under the car and take the bottom air dam off to gain access to anything... Yes I know the 5000 is a bit different, but my point is these Audis are more involving to service / repair than VWs.
So you are saying that not to get Audi becouse you need to do some things from under the car? ::) Iīve never liked transversed engines, longitudal are much easier to work ;D
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+1 And seriously, the oil filter is a piece of cake. Also if you pick up a good Bentley manual (one can be had for less than $30) you will have everything covered. The engine is relatively simple and you would be surprised how many parts are interchangable with the VW 1.6. Best of luck with the car! And if you ever need help or parts, PM me! I'm no expert, but I have quite a few parts lying around.
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I have a audi 5k bently and will sell it for $25 shipped if anyone wants it.
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Well, the 5000 does have a bit more room under the hood but at least with a 5-cylinder typ89, you have to do a lot of servicing from under the engine bay. Need to change an oil filter? Or tighten your belts? etc, you need to get under the car and take the bottom air dam off to gain access to anything... Yes I know the 5000 is a bit different, but my point is these Audis are more involving to service / repair than VWs.
So you are saying that not to get Audi becouse you need to do some things from under the car? ::) Iīve never liked transversed engines, longitudal are much easier to work ;D
Under the car means the car has to be on jack stands or a pillar lift, because there's not much ground clearance....
Those two things I mentioned were just examples.
I have owned many VW's and a couple of Audis and my real point is that the Audis indeed are more complex and the Audi-specific parts can be quite expensive. Then again, my Audis have always been quattros so they're bound to be more expensive to run beacuse of the special quattro parts. BUT: a real Audi will always be a quattro anyway 8)
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if i end up getting the damn thing, it wont have a slush box in it for long. i get too friendly with the smoke pedal and e-brake at the same time on FWD cars. it wont last long. and besides, how dope would a powerful AWD 5 speed diesel be?
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if i end up getting the damn thing, it wont have a slush box in it for long. i get too friendly with the smoke pedal and e-brake at the same time on FWD cars. it wont last long. and besides, how dope would a powerful AWD 5 speed diesel be?
If the Audis were like VWs that were offered with AWD, the pans are going to be different. A FWD car won't have the AWD rear floor pan or suspension mounting points, so you're looking at pan grafting too.
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WTF!?... its a 5000 tho? 5000's came with quattro.. and 5 cylinders. thats gonna be total complete BS.
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WTF!?... its a 5000 tho? 5000's came with quattro.. and 5 cylinders. thats gonna be total complete BS.
Not all 5ks, and the 5k quattro rear suspension doesn't work very well without the quattro system, so it's likely that the FWD versions got a pan that could accept a more conventional rear suspension that would work better without a set of driveaxles.
Same with the VW Quantums. You could get an AWD wagon, whose floor pan is different from the FWD Quantum wagons. The B3 passats were similar, and Golf AWD variations had different floor pans from the FWD variants for the same reason: the AWD rear suspension wouldn't work without the extra AWD stuff, so they went with something more conventional.
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you guys totally just burst my bubble. i wanted an awd diesel. now im gonna have to get another car to make that dream come true.
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Type 44 quattros can be found really cheap. Hunt on craigslist and transplant that diesel like the link I posted earlier. It would be much easier that way, plus the interior is soooooo much nicer! Don't give up, I want to see another quattro diesel!
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eh, that whole not being able to quattro it just took the wind out of my sails. besides, the car has a really nice interior and body and stuff. not really one i would want to cannibalize because its all original. wow... you guys pretty much talked me out of getting the car.
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eh, that whole not being able to quattro it just took the wind out of my sails. besides, the car has a really nice interior and body and stuff. not really one i would want to cannibalize because its all original. wow... you guys pretty much talked me out of getting the car.
That wasn't my intention, I was just trying to save you the headache (migraine sized) when you went to get started and discovered nothing lined up.
I am all for mechanically inclined folks saving these rare old Audis and the occasional hyper-rare VW (my coupe comes to mind...)
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it would still just be a FWD turbo diesel grandmas car, with a slush box. god i hate automatics!
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it would still just be a FWD turbo diesel grandmas car, with a slush box. god i hate automatics!
Amen Brother !! When I learned in high school mechanics that ALL automatics (then) shift smoothly by having two gear sets engaged at the same time while shifting - that is the first gear clutch pack does not disengage until the second clutch pack is engaged - now you know this means both clutch packs are slipping as 2 sets of gears (4 total) can't be engaged at the same time because the ratios are different...
So, no auto's thank you very much. Now, when an automaker slaps a $1000 "option" for the auto when they choose not to allow those in the US to buy the automatic. - Ford Fusion for instance - Not good
. They can get a manual in Europe but not in the US...
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thats another thing, europe gets manual everything, and diesel everything. it pisses me off. and all we get are the gay gas powered slush box cars. i love having a diesel that i can grab gears with.
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You could always transplant a diesel engine into a Quattro body shell (and yes, the floor pans are indeed different...)
but in that case you'd also need a Quattro diesel transmission; the gasser trannies have too low gearing to work well with a diesel engine. I know, I have thought about it considering my Typ 89...
But these cars are complicated and I find the FWD VWs to be much nicer to work on (never mind the parts prices too).
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it would still just be a FWD turbo diesel grandmas car, with a slush box. god i hate automatics!
Any 5-cylinder Audi or VW transmission will bolt right to that diesel and pop right in place of the slushbox. Other than the stupid-low final drive ratio in it, I'd offer give you the NA diesel 5-speed I have for the cost of shipping.
Even FWD Audis are not grandma's car; they handle quite well, and with the right transmission that 2.0TD would have quite a bit of get-up and go.
I had a VW Syncro wagon that I was going to put my 5-cylinder diesel in; I just never got around to it before I sold the car. At some point I'll find a gasser five cylinder Audi 5k Avant to put it into... :D
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but, i made a shocking discovery.
THOSE BASTARDS ARE REALLY REALLY HEAVY!
2950 lbs or somethin?
my rabbit weighs a little over 1600.
i like how my rabbit handles, and how good it rips.
a 3k pound audi will take twice as much HP to make it go as good as my rabbit.
oh yea, theres a couple Avants on CL around here that i see off and on.
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I was a little suprised how heavy my ī94 100 Avant is. I thought it would be around 1400kg (~3100lb) but itīs 1650kg (~3650lb) :lol: Quattro is 50+kg heavier...
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Here's the deal: I'll straight up trade you if you buy that car. I have an '80 with the Turbo Diesel engine and a 5 speed.
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2950 lbs or somethin?
Hey! Whats wrong with that? My car weighs 3200lbs!
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but, i made a shocking discovery.
THOSE BASTARDS ARE REALLY REALLY HEAVY!
2950 lbs or somethin?
my rabbit weighs a little over 1600.
i like how my rabbit handles, and how good it rips.
a 3k pound audi will take twice as much HP to make it go as good as my rabbit.
oh yea, theres a couple Avants on CL around here that i see off and on.
I have an '86 5000 turbo quatro wagon with a stick. The trans ratio on the quatros is not low. Fifth gear at 80 MPH is 3K rpm.
There's a guy on this board from central Minnesota that was selling an earlier 5000 that he put 5000 TD motor in with a stick, front wheel drive.
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=15948.0
I went to take a look at it. That trans was really low geared, 70MPH was probably the upper practical limit.
But he also had a newer quatro chasiss with a 5 speed stick that he put another 5000TD into, with a 5000 intercooler too. He let me drive it and that thing really flew. I believe it was the same trans as my 5000TQW. Nice RPM at speed, and the engine had NO PROBLEM moving it around. And it still was in stock trim, pump wise. So it had the potential for even better performance.
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nah, im just going to pass on the 5k. i have since rekindled the love affair with my rabbit. its amazing how bad a little boost leak can hurt your power. i think im just going to dump some money into that car rather than buy a new different car like i wanted. but hey, what the hell, now im going to be able to afford to rebuild my TD engine and throw the SC on there. omg its going to be so nice having boost as soon as i let the clutch out. thats the only thing i dont like about mine, it takes a second, like literally a second, for the turbo to spool up. but instant spoolage would be way better.
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but, i made a shocking discovery.
THOSE BASTARDS ARE REALLY REALLY HEAVY!
2950 lbs or somethin?
my rabbit weighs a little over 1600.
i like how my rabbit handles, and how good it rips.
a 3k pound audi will take twice as much HP to make it go as good as my rabbit.
oh yea, theres a couple Avants on CL around here that i see off and on.
I have an '86 5000 turbo quatro wagon with a stick. The trans ratio on the quatros is not low. Fifth gear at 80 MPH is 3K rpm.
There's a guy on this board from central Minnesota that was selling an earlier 5000 that he put 5000 TD motor in with a stick, front wheel drive.
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=15948.0
I went to take a look at it. That trans was really low geared, 70MPH was probably the upper practical limit.
But he also had a newer quatro chasiss with a 5 speed stick that he put another 5000TD into, with a 5000 intercooler too. He let me drive it and that thing really flew. I believe it was the same trans as my 5000TQW. Nice RPM at speed, and the engine had NO PROBLEM moving it around. And it still was in stock trim, pump wise. So it had the potential for even better performance.
Yeah, that earlier one is mine now. It definately has a ***ty transmission. Do you know if i could put a gasser transmission into it? I don't know much on what would bolt right up or not
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I have an '86 5000 turbo quatro wagon with a stick. The trans ratio on the quatros is not low. Fifth gear at 80 MPH is 3K rpm.
There's a guy on this board from central Minnesota that was selling an earlier 5000 that he put 5000 TD motor in with a stick, front wheel drive.
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=15948.0
I went to take a look at it. That trans was really low geared, 70MPH was probably the upper practical limit.
But he also had a newer quatro chasiss with a 5 speed stick that he put another 5000TD into, with a 5000 intercooler too. He let me drive it and that thing really flew. I believe it was the same trans as my 5000TQW. Nice RPM at speed, and the engine had NO PROBLEM moving it around. And it still was in stock trim, pump wise. So it had the potential for even better performance.
Yeah, that earlier one is mine now. It definately has a ***ty transmission. Do you know if i could put a gasser transmission into it? I don't know much on what would bolt right up or not
I think the only 5000TDs in the US were automatics. So you probably have gasser transmission in it now. My frau's 100 is a five speed too, non-quatro. ( she's a farm girl and calls Quatro's 'four wheel drive'. I'm relutant to get her a Quatro as I know she'll be driveing it in the corn fields during harvest at her folk's place and I'm not to keen on un-wraping corn stalks from the five rotating shafts under the thing) The 100 is much lower geared than my 5000 TQW. I wonder if there are any non-quatro turbo's with a five speed that would have the same ratios as the turbo quatros?
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I wonder if a porsche 924 transmission would work.... And I'm pretty sure that 5 speed in my car is for a diesel, my that car was originally a NA diesel, and i'm sure those transmissions had to be pretty low for the car to even move; Tom told me that they took over 20 seconds to get to 60
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hey rabbitonroids. come on over to ashland sometime and check this out. a friend of mine is selling this, and needs to get it off the property. I could prolly get him down to 300 or so i bet. runs and drives well, cosmetics are another story.
http://medford.craigslist.org/cto/1231561815.html
hit me up if you're interested, I
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so uh, anyone who knows about these 5 banger motors, i would really appreciate some questions answered.
do the 2.0's suffer the same ill designed crank sprocket as the 1.6? ive got a small supercharger to play with. i think the audi could stand to have a supercharger. might get out of its own way then.
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Yes they do. I've seen the problem happen on a 60K mile engine. Just follow the same advice for the 1.6 cranks, such as new bolt torqued properly, and new sprocket. VW/Audi also makes a friction washer which should help the problem immensely. A new bolt, sprocket, and washer cost about $60 from genuineaudiparts.com, and should take care of any problems, provided that the keyway is in good condition to begin with.
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Yes they do. I've seen the problem happen on a 60K mile engine. Just follow the same advice for the 1.6 cranks, such as new bolt torqued properly, and new sprocket. VW/Audi also makes a friction washer which should help the problem immensely. A new bolt, sprocket, and washer cost about $60 from genuineaudiparts.com, and should take care of any problems, provided that the keyway is in good condition to begin with.
Wonder if you could TDI-sprocket the Audi crank nose, too?
Seems a pretty permanent fix. TDI sprocket and a fresh bolt, off you go.
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I wonder if a porsche 924 transmission would work.... And I'm pretty sure that 5 speed in my car is for a diesel, my that car was originally a NA diesel, and i'm sure those transmissions had to be pretty low for the car to even move; Tom told me that they took over 20 seconds to get to 60
Yes Cole A gas Transmission form a CS Turbo Audi without quattro should bolt right up. I think a quattro transmission would work too if you removed the drive mechanism for the rear driveshaft. You may have to modify the front axles, but I think the diesel shafts will bolt up to the turbo gas transmission. I'm still happy with my 5 cylinder Turbo Diesel Quattro. I've put on about 7000 more miles on it, it doesn't leak any oil and uses about a quart every 1000 miles. MPG at 65 mph is about 37.
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5cyl crank nose is not same as 4cyl, its bigger.
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5cyl crank nose is not same as 4cyl, its bigger.
Use a euro-sourced 5-cylinder TDI sprocket, then? I'd pay for the peace of mind knowing my 5-hole diesel didn't have a nose waiting to break...
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Ummm, I donīt know what you mean. All 5cyl diesels dave same crank toothed belt pulley with M18 bolt. Same pulley in ī78 2,0 NA and ī97 2,5TDI.
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Ummm, I donīt know what you mean. All 5cyl diesels dave same crank toothed belt pulley with M18 bolt. Same pulley in ī78 2,0 NA and ī97 2,5TDI.
They didn't go to the D-shaped nose like the 4-cylinders did? Or at least some manner of securing their position other than a small cast-in key on the back of the sprocket?
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Itīs NOT like 4cyl. http://www.yiparts.com/Part/en/HVMOM
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Itīs NOT like 4cyl. http://www.yiparts.com/Part/en/HVMOM
Oiy, still keyed. :(
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So what? It slips all the way on crank, not a few millimeters like in 4cyl's. The bolt is M18 vs M12 and it doesn't even take all the weight like in 4's. I don't see what there is to be afraid when new bolt and pulley is used.
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woah, thats a way better setup than a 4 banger. looks like i have a better chance with that driving a supercharger.
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So what? It slips all the way on crank, not a few millimeters like in 4cyl's. The bolt is M18 vs M12 and it doesn't even take all the weight like in 4's. I don't see what there is to be afraid when new bolt and pulley is used.
Okay, true. I took another look at it, after sleeping instead of before, and you're right, much, much better than the 1.6 nose. :D
Yeah, that would be far more awesome for a supercharger than a 4-cylinder nose. :D
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I wonder if a porsche 924 transmission would work.... And I'm pretty sure that 5 speed in my car is for a diesel, my that car was originally a NA diesel, and i'm sure those transmissions had to be pretty low for the car to even move; Tom told me that they took over 20 seconds to get to 60
Yes Cole A gas Transmission form a CS Turbo Audi without quattro should bolt right up. I think a quattro transmission would work too if you removed the drive mechanism for the rear driveshaft. You may have to modify the front axles, but I think the diesel shafts will bolt up to the turbo gas transmission. I'm still happy with my 5 cylinder Turbo Diesel Quattro. I've put on about 7000 more miles on it, it doesn't leak any oil and uses about a quart every 1000 miles. MPG at 65 mph is about 37.
Wow, you still have that beast. I'm glad to hear you kept it. What year and model is it? How about posting some pictures. I was really impressed with it's performance. Will your wife ride in it?
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http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2.php/main.php?g2_itemId=84372 (http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2.php/main.php?g2_itemId=84372)
http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2.php/main.php?g2_itemId=84812 (http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/gallery2.php/main.php?g2_itemId=84812)
I have some trouble posting images, My wife will reluctantly ride to Grand Forks and back, but no cross country trips. I also installed 1990 V8 black leather sport seats, both with heaters that work. It's a 1986 too CS Turbo Quattro.
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Thanks for the info Tom! I'm going to start searching local junkyards I think. I still need to get my white 83 on the road. I'm still happy with the 80 I bought from you too, I use much less oil, however there is a small drip from the turbo. I have also started customizing the interior with parts from my 83 parts car. That transmission is just too damn low, and I don't want to convert it to an auto. So I think I will look for a gasser transmission, add an intercooler and kick up the boost a couple PSI to kind of compensate. I hope the transmission won't be geared too high. So whats the verdict on the total seal rings? I know some people were a bit weary of you using them on that motorgeek thread.
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Here's the deal: I'll straight up trade you if you buy that car. I have an '80 with the Turbo Diesel engine and a 5 speed.
and i didnt buy that car. the possibility of a cracked head was too much, so im looking at a gold one now. running and driving, possibly gonna go pick it up today.
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I have some trouble posting images, My wife will reluctantly ride to Grand Forks and back, but no cross country trips. I also installed 1990 V8 black leather sport seats, both with heaters that work. It's a 1986 too CS Turbo Quattro.
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Looks great! The pearl white and headlights threw me on the year. I didn't know they had pearl white in '86. Thats probably my favorite Audi Color.
Where did you get the headlights from? Do they have a better beam patern than the US ones?
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so this is what i have to look forward to?
not too bad, but just imagine a mini-blower right there above that power steering pump.
should have some good news in the morning. or bad news, well, some sort of news.
hopefully the turbo isnt too wasted on it.
also, what turbo did they even come with?
just a T3 like every other VW?
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Tom's engine in his 86 looks a bit different than normal, mostly due to the stock airbox not being there, and the addition of the oil catch can. They came with KKK K24 turbos.
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Where did you get the headlights from? Do they have a better beam pattern than the US ones?
The headlights are the cheap Euros on Ebay. They are made in Taiwan. I Took the lenses off and glued in the LED's. The pattern is much better than stock.
So whats the verdict on the total seal rings? I know some people were a bit weary of you using them on that motorgeek thread.
I did not use total seal rings on my rebuild, maybe that's why my car is using a quart to 1000 miles while yours' doesn't.
I hope the transmission won't be geared too high.
I tried to compensate for the transmission with the over-sized tires. So if it seems to be geared too high just get a smaller diameter tire. The rear drive mechanism that would need to be removed from a quattro transmission is called the torsen. I think it can be capped after it's taken off
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The headlights are the cheap Euros on Ebay. They are made in Taiwan. I Took the lenses off and glued in the LED's. The pattern is much better than stock.
Looks like a differnt grill too. Did the lights include the grill? Use H-4 Bulbs?
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I had a Non-Turbo grill from a parts car. It does use H-4's
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Thanks for the info Tom! I'm going to start searching local junkyards I think. I still need to get my white 83 on the road. I'm still happy with the 80 I bought from you too, I use much less oil, however there is a small drip from the turbo. I have also started customizing the interior with parts from my 83 parts car. That transmission is just too damn low, and I don't want to convert it to an auto. So I think I will look for a gasser transmission, add an intercooler and kick up the boost a couple PSI to kind of compensate. I hope the transmission won't be geared too high. So whats the verdict on the total seal rings? I know some people were a bit weary of you using them on that motorgeek thread.
A later five cylinder Quantum gasser five speed has a decent set of gears on it, if you're looking for a non AWD transmission. It should share all the mounts with Audi FWD 5-speeds.
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Do you know what years at all, or the code? Are they rare?
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Do you know what years at all, or the code? Are they rare?
I will when I get home, I'm away from all my Bentley manuals until Monday.
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Rabbit on Roids, if you decide to get this car, you should buy this soon:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AUDI-5000-5000S-SERVICE-MANUEL-77-83-GAS-DIESEL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a2148Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef6ded861QQitemZ270429771873QQptZMotorsQ5fManualsQ5fLiterature (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AUDI-5000-5000S-SERVICE-MANUEL-77-83-GAS-DIESEL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a2148Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef6ded861QQitemZ270429771873QQptZMotorsQ5fManualsQ5fLiterature)
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so, now this thread can really get cookin, i actually have the car now. im pretty sure im crazy tho, because i bought the car, didnt touch it, and drove it 450 miles home. only had a couple hiccups on the way. the first problem was electrical, the positive wire was resting under the battery, and it fried it. but it melted the neg terminal off the cable. so i busted out my trusty vise grips and put the wire back on and she fired right back up. THEN! a few more miles down the road, no more than an hour later, my LR tire decides it wants to be a slick and peels the tread off. thank god there was a spare in the back, and thank god it had a little bit of air in it. so that got me to a gas station, topped off the tires, continued on my way. then i get about 40 miles from home and the oil light and buzzer came on and off pretty good. before it would just do it once in a while if you were going fast around a right hand corner, then it started coming on over every bump in the road. so the next gas station i find, i stop and dump 3.5 quarts in and finish my journey. took me less than 40 dollars worth of diesel to go 450 miles. it has a pretty bad manifold leak tho, so i dont think i got very good mileage. plus, i was doing between 65 and 75 the whole way. and these cars are not geared for these kinda speeds.
and damn it, i missed out on the bently.
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You can find those Bentleys pretty easily though. So what are your plans for the motor/ car?
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well, first im going to decide if the car is worth messing with. if its not worth messing with, then i will just put the engine in somethin else. ive always wanted a diesel toyota that would get out of its own way.
i need to dig into the car a little deeper before i make any final decisions. if nothing else, i have a sweet 5 banger diesel to play with.
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I say get as much power as possible out of it and drop it into a 924!
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isnt a 924 a porsche?
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Yeah, but it had an audi 4 cylinder in it. Its a pretty straightforward swap, you would just need custom motor mounts and a custom bellhousing adapter, but someone has the plans for the bellhousing adapter somewhere on the internet I think. Thats my plan for one of my engines, a 924 diesel that can beat a normal 924, and running on WVO
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Yeah, but it had an audi 4 cylinder in it. Its a pretty straightforward swap, you would just need custom motor mounts and a custom bellhousing adapter, but someone has the plans for the bellhousing adapter somewhere on the internet I think. Thats my plan for one of my engines, a 924 diesel that can beat a normal 924, and running on WVO
Someone on TDIClub has a built PD150 in a 924... pretty sweet. :D
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So back to the transmission question, would a transmission for an 87 5000 bolt up as well to my car? I found one pretty close to me for CHEAP
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should bolt up. what sort of gears do those have?
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Well I don't know what model it is yet, i'm still waiting on the email. But playing with a gear calculator shows that it won't make much of a difference unless its from the turbo cs.
http://ctny.audiworld.com/mark/s4/gears/gear_calc.html
http://audiworld.com/model/ (click 87)
http://audiworld.com/model/5000/80-5000.shtml
But now that I have a tach, it makes me realize that the transmission I have really isn't geared very low (by gas standards anyways). I guess those bigger rims and tires that Tom put on were one of the best things to do to coax a bit more mpg out of the car.
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an audi GT coupe is basically the same thing as a 5000 right? like front end wise and drivetrain and everything. it had a gas 5 cyl with a 5 speed manual.
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an audi GT coupe is basically the same thing as a 5000 right? like front end wise and drivetrain and everything. it had a gas 5 cyl with a 5 speed manual.
If I'm not mistaken, CGTs (Coupe GTs) are pretty rare; it'd be criminal to cannibalize one, in my opinion. Yeah, they were five cylinder five speeds and yeah, the gearbox would swap over in place of an Audi 5k 5-speed.
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Audi Coupe is same as 80 (4000)
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an audi GT coupe is basically the same thing as a 5000 right? like front end wise and drivetrain and everything. it had a gas 5 cyl with a 5 speed manual.
If I'm not mistaken, CGTs (Coupe GTs) are pretty rare; it'd be criminal to cannibalize one, in my opinion. Yeah, they were five cylinder five speeds and yeah, the gearbox would swap over in place of an Audi 5k 5-speed.
i used to have one, it was an 83. i gave it to the wrecking yard. now im pissed.