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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: 96jetta on June 19, 2009, 09:33:29 pm
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a buddy of mine wants to put a 1.9 into his little s-10. The project will mostly be done in his garage and for the most part we can figure out how to change it all around. there are a couple questions i still dont know the answers to and i was hoping for some help. mainly what kind of tranny should be used here? he does want to keep it a RWD truck. The other question i have is should all the fueling (tank/ lines/ pump) be completely changed out or just cleaned out?
there will probably be many more to follow. thanks again for all the help
96jette Geoff Austin
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As for the tank lines blah blah issue. Does the truck utilize a supply and Return line from the tank? (one out and one back in?) these diesels do require a return line to the tank and that the tank be vented. As for cleaning it out, that doesn't have to be done just when you do the swap make sure you drive it around first and take it down to around 1/8th tank or so. Then fill it with diesel and Auto Trans Fluid or the first tank. (I say 1/8th because we don't want you getting stranded trying to get rid of the fuel:), and aATF for EXTRA lubrication) Diesels can run on up to 25% gasoline or 1/4 tank. so 1/8th and you'll be safe.
As much as I can help for now. lol
Goodluck!
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make an adaptor plate to use the stock chev transmission. assuming it is a 5 speed. or you most likely are taking out a gay 2.8 v6 and a 200r4 auto trans. or you could get an adaptor to go to a toyota transmission. they are pretty much bullet proof. and plentiful. or you could make one. dillenger1 made his own toyota adaptor. the flywheel is pretty easy to machine to fit on the vw crank, then drill a new bolt pattern for the VW in the toyota wheel and bolt it on. dont forget to machine a crank bushing for the input shaft of the trans. then build a driveline accordingly.
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what is the auto trans fluid going to do here? it is a 5spd out of one of the 2.2 4cyl. is there a place who sell them or i just have to find a shop willing to machine the required components for me?
thanks again guys
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running trans fluid (which is rich in detergents and lubricants) is just like a fuel additive. It will help condition seals, and break up any gunk in the tank, lines, pump, and injectors.
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alright. thanks again
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running trans fluid (which is rich in detergents and lubricants) is just like a fuel additive. It will help condition seals, and break up any gunk in the tank, lines, pump, and injectors.
so will high concentrations of Bio or Power Service
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is just like a fuel additive..... ::)
We know. :)
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Let us know how you make out. the tough part will be hooking the trans to the engine. If you find a good machine shop to do it, share the info.......
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ATF is not a fuel or an additive. It should never be put in the fuel tank as it will coke the injectors.
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ill post pics when we start the build for you all. as well as any shops or people lending help. should i use diesel fuel additive then?
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ATF is not a fuel or an additive. It should never be put in the fuel tank as it will coke the injectors.
i run it in every vehicle i own, gas and diesel. I have felt noticeable power gains after running it in my 1.7 and of course my atv owes its life to it. I think the contrary of your statement. Fuel to a diesel is anything it can sustain itself on.. Pretty sure I have run my engine on a bottle of pure ATF before. so to me it IS a fuel ;D
running trans fluid (which is rich in detergents and lubricants) is just like a fuel additive. It will help condition seals, and break up any gunk in the tank, lines, pump, and injectors.
Also I said it is "like" an additive in the fact that it is rich in detergents. It is practically the same chemically as an expensive bottle of (insert your favourite diesel engine purge here). It lubricates and breaks down gunk in the pump, lines and injectors :) can't see a downside to it.
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ill post pics when we start the build for you all. as well as any shops or people lending help. should i use diesel fuel additive then?
whatever you do, make sure you use an additive. i like power service myself, as it increases the cetane rating for a little power boost. then again, you could always mix acetone with your diesel for a power boost as well. there are many write ups and info available online to give you an idea of how much you need to add. you need to be VERY specific with quantities or you can negate the power boost.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=121640 - some info here
(http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/images/acetone.jpg)
so you need to keep the acetone at a 2 oz. per 10 gal or so level. i would encourage anyone trying this to pre-mix the acetone & diesel outside of the tank, so to keep it diluted, as full strength acetone likes to dissolve MANY things!!! maybe even the filler neck???
add some stanadyne fuel lubricity additive, or the like, and boom! ;D
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Fuel to a diesel is anything it can sustain itself on.
Incorrect. Fuel to a diesel is whatever the engine's designers made it to run on.
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Fuel to a diesel is anything it can sustain itself on.
Incorrect. Fuel to a diesel is whatever the engine's designers made it to run on.
Also Incorrect. So what your telling me is that Dr. Rudolph Diesel designed a diesel engine to be run on WVO, WMO and Bio? Very common fuels for many Diesel engines last time I checked around. :P
Pulled this from Wikipedia for shiggles.
Diesel engines can operate on a variety of different fuels, depending on configuration, though the eponymous diesel fuel derived from crude oil is most common. The engines can work with the full spectrum of crude oil distillates, from natural gas, alcohols, gasoline, wood gas to the fuel oils from diesel oil to residual fuels.
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Definitely a Benz guy, as if the name didn;t give it away.... ;D
Tis true... If it runs on it, it's fuel.. Granted some vareities of fuels are just better than others... ::) And some just require a different approach to burn...
Just so happens I ran all sorts of nasty crap through an om615 engine.. Anything from WVO, to WMO, to trans fluid, brake fluid, possibly even beer or any combnation of the above...... It ran, it drove, a couple hundred thousand to be exact.. THen the car rusted apart.. I hear the engine is in a Cj5 now days...
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Definitely a Benz guy, as if the name didn;t give it away....
Does that mean he is incorrect because he is a Benz guy? looooool :P ;D
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Nah, they just tend to not like rocking the boat so to speak.. Or so I have observed over the years... I better shut up now, gonna get my butt in trouble...
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i love to rock the boat.. in case you haven't noticed.. lmao :D
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I would say he probably knows his crap. now where was he 10 years ago when I had a diesel Benz?? I would mention molesting it on various forums and the response was usually something like this ??? :o
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I have no doubt he know's his stuff. everybody in here know's more then I do. So I am totally not trying to play the know it all Teenager.
I just happened to know that anything that is combustive at the right temps.. can be used as fuel in a diesel engine.. :P not a big deal :)
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Marvel Mystery oil (ATF) and Power Service is a regular cocktail for a Cummins.
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makes a difference if it''s an IDI or direct injection too. the older IDI's will burn almost anything and like it. i've ran a few thousand miles on used motor oil mixed with diesel. injectors look fine
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Also Incorrect. So what your telling me is that Dr. Rudolph Diesel designed a diesel engine to be run on WVO, WMO and Bio?
Last I checked, Dr. Diesel died about 75 years before Volkswagen designed their engines.
Wikipedia is an inaccurate source of information.
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in regards to the tranny and the motor and the gearing is he going to have to change the back end out?
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Also Incorrect. So what your telling me is that Dr. Rudolph Diesel designed a diesel engine to be run on WVO, WMO and Bio? Very common fuels for many Diesel engines last time I checked around.
Pulled this from Wikipedia for shiggles.
Dr. Rudolph Diesel ran his first engine on vegtable oil not diesel.
As to the s-10 It depends on what gear is in the s-10 now. Look in the glove box there is a label with 3 digit codes called PRO codes look for the Gxx codes like GU4=3.08 GU6=3.42 GT4=3.73 GT5=4.10. Depending on that ratios of the trans you use. Most 2.2 trucks came with a GT4 or GT5. Most 4.3 trucks came with GU4 or GU6 gears.
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makes a difference if it''s an IDI or direct injection too. the older IDI's will burn almost anything and like it. i've ran a few thousand miles on used motor oil mixed with diesel. injectors look fine
Very true.. The type of injectors and pump makes a difference too..
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Fuel to a diesel is anything it can sustain itself on.
Incorrect. Fuel to a diesel is whatever the engine's designers made it to run on.
Also Incorrect. So what your telling me is that Dr. Rudolph Diesel designed a diesel engine to be run on WVO, WMO and Bio? Very common fuels for many Diesel engines last time I checked around. :P
Pulled this from Wikipedia for shiggles.
Diesel engines can operate on a variety of different fuels, depending on configuration, though the eponymous diesel fuel derived from crude oil is most common. The engines can work with the full spectrum of crude oil distillates, from natural gas, alcohols, gasoline, wood gas to the fuel oils from diesel oil to residual fuels.
yea wikipedia isn't the greatest place to get info from.. why don't you try to run a diesel on alcohol and see how long it lasts? now there were ceramic plungers created specifically designed to run alcohol fuels... but its like OM617 said. the engine will run on fuels that it was designed for. the exception is that fuels with similar characteristics will run, but might have adverse effects or not run as efficiently.
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Exactly what I said. It will run, on any liquid that will combust at the given temperatures of the cylinders.
Never claimed it would run reliably, with any amount of power or longevity :P
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Dr. Rudolph Diesel ran his first engine on vegtable oil not diesel.
Incorrect, his first engine ran on coal dust. Better get cranking on that conversion! ;D
Also, he didn't have ANY part in the design, building or tuning of your engine. The only things in common between his engine and yours is using compression for ignition heat and a reciprocating piston design.
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to ease the tension in this thread i thought i would post on what may be the future... and yes it is diesel compatible ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWf9nYbm3ac&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
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Dr. Rudolph Diesel ran his first engine on vegtable oil not diesel.
Incorrect, his first engine ran on coal dust. Better get cranking on that conversion! ;D
Also, he didn't have ANY part in the design, building or tuning of your engine. The only things in common between his engine and yours is using compression for ignition heat and a reciprocating piston design.
I guess my point is that it wasn't on diesel. We have adapted to whats easier and cheaper to run on. This poor thread has been jacked.
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This poor thread has been jacked.
Only when false information was posted.