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General Information => General => Topic started by: 8v-of-fury on April 11, 2009, 07:13:03 pm
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OK so I kno many people have thought it and have done it.. but I need to know some things :)
I have noticed that when you switch on your highs the lows get dim.. why? I still want to see where the lows are pointed! I have noticed also that holding the switch half way makes them all stay bright, people have said this will burn out your low beam. Does the low beam have two filaments? and when high beams are selected the lower power filament is turned on thus making it a dimmer light?? and by holding the switch your making both low beam filaments come on?
There is three plugs on the back of a low beam light as opposed to the two found on a high beam right? One for high, one for low, and ground. When high beams are selected is the power to the low beam wire stopped?
My idea.. If you take the wires that get power when you flick to high beams, and make them run all four. Will the low beams stay bright when you select highbeams?
Where i live, when im driving at night.. im really driving at night.. I may be only going to my gf's house.. but i gotta go through the bush to get there! I LIVE IN MOOSE COUNTRY! i need the extra light!
What'r ya'll thoughts about it :) ?
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That will fix you right up!!
From what I remember the lows stay on with this harness..
just the harness alone gets you brighter headlights.
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Dan, those are cool. how do they work?
I guess I should have mentioned my headlights are relayed.
Could i just take the feed from the High beams and when it is switched make it trigger both relay's? or will power find its way back through the low beam power wire?
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the low & high beam are both separate so they *should* be able to be run at the same time. i can't see why having it on would be a bad thing... other than the extra current draw. maybe the heat burns the bulb out quicker???
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Yeah, somebody said about it burning out faster.. but i dont see how.. unless they have some other filament..
What if you live in the city and hardly use the high beams? low beams are on ALL the time u have headlights on.. and it doesn't greatly decrease the life of the bulbs right?
What i was thinking is still have the low beam relay setup to be triggered by the low beam wire from the stock harness.. but then when you switch to highs, it will also keep the low beam relay on. I will have to disconnect the high beam feed on the low beam bulbs though.
Do the low beams have two filaments?
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You can either jumper the bits in the relay panel with a bit of wire or with a special bent bit of metal that slots right in.
If you've got a dual filament high/low setup (like a H4 bulb) you might end up overheating the unit or the wiring. The wiring's not a problem if you've already got a relay setup.
If you're running a dual beam setup, like Hella dual rounds, then throw them both on at the same time, no problems.
Here's one way to do it: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=965205
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i am just running good ol sylvania sealed halogens :P
do the lows have two filaments? is that how they dim when highs are selected?
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i am just running good ol sylvania sealed halogens :P
do the lows have two filaments? is that how they dim when highs are selected?
Guessing this would be the car in your avatar picture over <- there?
If yes, and you're running a 4x rectangular sealed beam, yes, you have two filaments in your low beam lights (which would be why the plug has three wires on it, instead of just the two that your high beams have.
Aimed properly, the second filament in the low beam lamp should put their light a little bit further out than the low beam filament, which might make you think it's "dimmer." You're seeing the same amount of light, but put further away from you.
Are your headlamps upside down? Believe me, it can make a huge difference in visibility. :oops:
Simply adding a relay to shorten the trip and resistance between the battery and your headlamps will enormously improve the quality, brightness and longevity of your headlights. If you want to get fancy, get something like Dan's harness. There are also companies that make a mini harness that plugs into one side of your headlight circuit to get the triggers it needs.
If you want to make your own relayed headlights, drop me a PM. I have it all written out. I haven't done an A platform car, but only the wire colours are platform specific. :D
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oh ok. that makes sense now. Yes thats my car, yes i have 4x rectangulars, and yes they are already relayed :P
So they are still putting out the same light, but in a different spot.. doesnt work for me.. lol because whereever the hell they are shining its to far up to make it worth while.. The highs point far ahead and when i go to high beams my lows that point to the road a little ways ahead of me (pothole detection system lol) I need them to stay lit up in that direction! lol guess it really is a minor fix. just make the high beam relay activate the other filament in the bulb instead of the one that points somewhere else :P
thanks guys
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it definitely wouldn't help the life of your bulbs. It gets 2x hotter with the other filament burning. Think about 2 really hot burning filaments really close to each other, punch out your holes in the bumper and get fogs:p
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What car are you doing this to? The one in your Avatar?
If so you can absolutely run all 4 at the same time without lessening the life of the bulb.
If you already have them relayed then just wire in a jumper so the lows stay on when you hit the high's.
Aim them properly and you can get some really good lighting out of them.
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well wat i was actually thinking was.. the low beams have three prongs. Ground, Low signal, and High signal. SO instead of having the high beam relay trigger the high beam filament in the low beam bulb... Have the high beam relay trigger the same prong on the bulb that the low beam relay does :)
Ta-da! 4 really bright headlights! I think? unless im off on another crazy acid trip... :P
does it sound right?
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well wat i was actually thinking was.. the low beams have three prongs. Ground, Low signal, and High signal. SO instead of having the high beam relay trigger the high beam filament in the low beam bulb... Have the high beam relay trigger the same prong on the bulb that the low beam relay does :)
Ta-da! 4 really bright headlights! I think? unless im off on another crazy acid trip... :P
does it sound right?
You will actually end up with less overall light output with running your inner highs and your outer lows. The low beam filament produces less light than the high beam filament in those bulbs, it just happens to put it where you think you want it.
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Aimed properly, the second filament in the low beam lamp should put their light a little bit further out than the low beam filament, which might make you think it's "dimmer." You're seeing the same amount of light, but put further away from you.
Contradiction! LOL Well.. I need to see where the lows point.. AND where the highs point.. so less over all light doesn't REALLY matter as long as its pointed in the right spot.. When i select the highs.. the lows don't point low enough.. (a ton of potholes round here) So i need where the lows point.. but i still wanna see ahead when i put highs on. Your right.. there most likely aimed wrong.. but to see the potholes i need the lows pointed lower than standard :)
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Your right.. there most likely aimed wrong.. but to see the potholes i need the lows pointed lower than standard :)
You could, you know... slow down. :P
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ya ok, mom... :)
They are the type that you have to swerve or loose a tire type...
You Americans have such nice roads.. :evil:!
I live in a pot-holey, Deer, moose, bear, and turtle (:P) rich area.. I need light low and high.. :P Will my idea work?! LOL
JEEZ Acid trip is coming to an end... stuff is finally slowing down and becoming un-cartoon.........
ahha lol
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well wat i was actually thinking was.. the low beams have three prongs. Ground, Low signal, and High signal. SO instead of having the high beam relay trigger the high beam filament in the low beam bulb... Have the high beam relay trigger the same prong on the bulb that the low beam relay does :)
Ta-da! 4 really bright headlights! I think? unless im off on another crazy acid trip... :P
does it sound right?
Go for it! it will be fine as long as you are running fuses and relays.
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HID's cook the moose when it walks out on the road :twisted: When 1 12v bulb can light up an entire 300square foot store liek its daylight...imagine 4 on the front :twisted:
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HID's cook the moose when it walks out on the road :twisted: When 1 12v bulb can light up an entire 300square foot store liek its daylight...imagine 4 on the front :twisted:
I am liking you more and more CATLIN!!! :twisted:
Evil minds must think alike.. lol Yeah man i wanted to get H4 for my headlights but as bright as these are i can't imagine lights twice there power :P
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I thru a set of Eurolite Fusions on my gfs Accent...I light up the highway for as far as i can see in the daylight, they are 10 times brighter then normal lights...and HID's are even brighter.. :twisted: its comparable to the light edmited by the sun... :twisted: hehehe
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqRteQDek24
there is a set of 6000K HID starting up...they don't just turn on like normal lights...they have to warm up and get super bright. :twisted:
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ohhh DAYUUUUM
those are definitely the ones i will go to when mine wear out.!!
THOSE ARE HOTT
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at 300$ a set. Both me and the woman want a set and we are debating who does the most night driving to get them lol
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one of my friends has 10000k HID in his stupid Integra.. I mean yeah it lights up the whole damn town, but standing in front... (or drving towards him) your eyes literally shrivel and die.. lol
there stupid bright in my opinion.. but the 6000 myabe... might have to start saving my money :twisted:
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I have a great place to get HID's from and it's less than $200.00 shipped for a Bi Xenon build so you still have high and low beams.
Also the higher the # the less light they produce.
A 4800k light produces more light then a 10000k bulb and the lower teh # the more Yellow he beam.
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oh really? I didn't know that.. and apparently he is mis in formed :P
What a tool he is.. lol Then i would be scared to see some 6000! cuz the 10000 are bright.
they would be nice.. but then id be blinding people and getting in trouble. lol
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get 6000K ones, and there is no way to get introuble with them, since they run off 12V :twisted:
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You Americans have such nice roads.. !
You haven't been to Brooklyn lately......... :lol:
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one of my friends has 10000k HID in his stupid Integra.. I mean yeah it lights up the whole damn town, but standing in front... (or drving towards him) your eyes literally shrivel and die.. lol
there stupid bright in my opinion.. but the 6000 myabe... might have to start saving my money :twisted:
Let me guess... those aren't HID specific projectors, are they?
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one of my friends has 10000k HID in his stupid Integra.. I mean yeah it lights up the whole damn town, but standing in front... (or drving towards him) your eyes literally shrivel and die.. lol
there stupid bright in my opinion.. but the 6000 myabe... might have to start saving my money :twisted:
Let me guess... those aren't HID specific projectors, are they?
HID bulbs that basiclly plug and play into your cars harennest and go into your headlight like a regular bulb
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one of my friends has 10000k HID in his stupid Integra.. I mean yeah it lights up the whole damn town, but standing in front... (or drving towards him) your eyes literally shrivel and die.. lol
there stupid bright in my opinion.. but the 6000 myabe... might have to start saving my money :twisted:
Let me guess... those aren't HID specific projectors, are they?
HID bulbs that basiclly plug and play into your cars harennest and go into your headlight like a regular bulb
Wrong. Good way to blind everyone in the other lanes, whose only offense was being in front of you.
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Lower theangle of the headlights so they are not aiming up too high. I need them up here since its moose country here too
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You Americans have such nice roads.. !
You haven't been to Brooklyn lately......... :lol:
Brooklyn Shmooklyn... lol TORONTO has the highest number of BAD roads in NA lol So there :P
But no i haven't been, Are the roads bad? lol
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Lower theangle of the headlights so they are not aiming up too high. I need them up here since its moose country here too
You can't angle HIDs in halogen housings and still be able to use them without blinding folks in the other lane. They produce light differently, and need different housings, reflectors, and lenses to be safe and effective.
I drive at night for a living. You can always tell when someone oncoming or behind you has HIDs in halogen reflectors, or even halogen projectors. Yes, they light up the entirety of creation in front of you, usually right in front of you. They also fling that light straight at opposing traffic.
Please just don't throw HIDs in halogen housings. If you want HIDs, invest in the right equipment and do it properly.
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Use HID in projector headlight housings, to do that on an MK3 HID and lights is about 600. Right now we are running the eurolight fusions, they are still bright but not Light at the end of the tunnel bright
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Use HID in projector headlight housings, to do that on an MK3 HID and lights is about 600. Right now we are running the eurolight fusions, they are still bright but not Light at the end of the tunnel bright
It's not just the bright but where it's bright that's the problem. Standard halogen reflectors are not appropriate for HID lamps. Even "not that bright" is still incredibly irritating for oncoming drivers, and the glare they give off for oncoming traffic is immensely distracting. Even worse in rearview mirrors, where they'll often throw light all over the place enough to wash out all three of your mirrors.
If something's worth doing, it's worth doing properly, not half-baked oh hey cool I can see and blind other folks while I'm at it but I don't care it's "not that bright."
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I am running Sylvania Sealed Halogens and haven't a single complaint about them. EXCEPT that the high beam filament in my low beam bulb points to high :P
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when HID's are done properly they work effectively and aren't bother some for other people. tere are a couple little civics up here i'm going to smash the lights out thou they run around town at night with the highbeams on...
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I am running Sylvania Sealed Halogens and haven't a single complaint about them. EXCEPT that the high beam filament in my low beam bulb points to high :P
Sealed halogens are a stock, single unit. They're both the lamp and the reflector, and they're supposedly matched. You shouldn't get any complaints out of them unless they're improperly adjusted.
Running halogen bulbs in halogen reflectors, likewise. Shouldn't be any complaints, as the reflector is designed for that light. Adjust them properly and you're golden.
But start putting High Intensity Discharge arcs in something designed to reflect the light from a glowing-hot piece of wire? Things are going to be different, and you're not going to have nearly as effective or safe headlights as you think you have. Yeah, you can go brighter, but that's a "brute force and ignorance" method of getting better night vision, rather than a well engineered, safe setup meant to put light where you need it.
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when HID's are done properly they work effectively and aren't bother some for other people. tere are a couple little civics up here i'm going to smash the lights out thou they run around town at night with the highbeams on...
Precisely. And properly includes retrofitting correct HID projectors if the car doesn't already have them.
Expensive? Yes. Correct? Yes.
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the set up i put in the accent is regular bulbs, but they are eurolite fusions, they look identical to what was inthere before however they give off the bluewish white look to them, at night they ae not bright when you meet them but when you are driving you can see everythhing well and it reflects nice off stuff...see animals alot further then before
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i have the problem with my sealed beams because when i switch from low to high the lows disappear. Holding the Switch between them is what gets best results.. Using my high beams, the highs point good and high so they point way down the road.. but the lows are non existent.. I cannot see the road dead in front of me.. and i need to lol ROUGH roads up here.
I cant aim the lows any lower because they wont be effective for in town when i am just using low beams.
Yeah, people who have those annoyingly bright ones obviously did something wrong.. Im all for the brute force of doing things.. but not something as critical as headlights....
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the set up i put in the accent is regular bulbs, but they are eurolite fusions, they look identical to what was inthere before however they give off the bluewish white look to them, at night they ae not bright when you meet them but when you are driving you can see everythhing well and it reflects nice off stuff...see animals alot further then before
Then they're halogen lamps, not HIDs.
HIDs require retrofitting ballasts for their higher voltage requirements.
Sorry, I was under the impression that you were advocating just dropping HID lamps into halogen reflectors, which is an enormous irritant for me. College town, lots of "cool kids" on the scene... annoying as crap in a bag and dangerous to boot.
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College town, lots of "cool kids" on the scene... annoying as crap in a bag and dangerous to boot.
Dickhead college punks riving civics and integras are NOT on the cool scene.. LOL I hate what my generation has become, and I thank god I do not follow in there retarded footsteps
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The only time i would put HID's in a car and not modify the light set up is if it was an off road use only such as our wood truck,
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The only time i would put HID's in a car and not modify the light set up is if it was an off road use only such as our wood truck,
Cool, then we're on a level and good to go. :D Sorry to go off on the topic, though.
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College town, lots of "cool kids" on the scene... annoying as crap in a bag and dangerous to boot.
Dickhead college punks riving civics and integras are NOT on the cool scene.. LOL I hate what my generation has become, and I thank god I do not follow in there retarded footsteps
I like the look of a well done tuner. they look sweet, My gf's got a tuner in the works with her 08 accent. but we both can't stand the little punks that think they are all that with a beat up civic.
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The only time i would put HID's in a car and not modify the light set up is if it was an off road use only such as our wood truck,
Cool, then we're on a level and good to go. :D Sorry to go off on the topic, though.
its ok man I know right where your coming from on that lol :lol:
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College town, lots of "cool kids" on the scene... annoying as crap in a bag and dangerous to boot.
Dickhead college punks riving civics and integras are NOT on the cool scene.. LOL I hate what my generation has become, and I thank god I do not follow in there retarded footsteps
Unfortunately, Jettas and Golfs of Mk4 and up are the big thing around here. :roll:
Sad to see what VW has become. These kids have the easiest VWs to upgrade properly to HIDs, practically drop in and plug up, and they still would rather get the cheapie drop-in kit with lamps and ballasts, chop their wiring to pieces, and run them like the ghetto crawlers they are.
Of course, these also are the same punks who measure how much fun they had the night before by how little they can remember. :roll: Where's the fun in never remembering what you did to have fun?
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Of course, these also are the same punks who measure how much fun they had the night before by how little they can remember. :roll: Where's the fun in never remembering what you did to have fun?
That right there shows what my generation has become. When I drink I know my limit, and I play within it. I have friends.. well had friends.. who binge drink and cant remember any party they go to..
"Hey, Jesse do you remember that thing that happened last weekend at Josh's?" "no, i only remember the drive there.. i was too drunk"
Sounds like a blast huh?
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That right there shows what my generation has become. When I drink I know my limit, and I play within it. I have friends.. well had friends.. who binge drink and cant remember any party they go to..
"Hey, Jesse do you remember that thing that happened last weekend at Josh's?" "no, i only remember the drive there.. i was too drunk"
Sounds like a blast huh?
At least these kids aren't driving home. Usually they end up on my bus... so I get to deal with twenty one year old toddlers. :roll:
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That right there shows what my generation has become. When I drink I know my limit, and I play within it. I have friends.. well had friends.. who binge drink and cant remember any party they go to..
"Hey, Jesse do you remember that thing that happened last weekend at Josh's?" "no, i only remember the drive there.. i was too drunk"
Sounds like a blast huh?
At least these kids aren't driving home. Usually they end up on my bus... so I get to deal with twenty one year old toddlers. :roll:
The wheels on teh bus go round and round... :lol:
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If i had the money i would make a row of 4 Hella's that would mount to my roof rack for night driving in the boonies/mountain roads to avoid comeing face to face with a moose. And it woulda been just GREAT just yesterday...
.. me in the left turn lane at a set of lights... as i turn through the intersection ...some lunatic passes me on the driver side a floors it down a straight flat road across the farm land. At the end of this road is a small historical town with narrow roads... limit's 30... i obviously end up right behind him...
gosh DANG would it have been nice ... *flick* goes the switch in the dash...
WWWOOOOOOOOOSSSHHHH the illumination would be BLINDING in his mirrors. The fool ended up going to one of the houses in my block... he made an incredible 2 full seconds of time on my "slow" diesel.
And im sure his rav4 burnt twice as much fuel as me with him in 2nd gear, floored, going up the big hill, screaming at +5,000rpm and im *bwaaaaaa-ing* behind in 4th at 5psi. egt <600f I could smell the rich exhaust.
Stupidity drives me "around the bend", as my parents from across the pond say.
ps. all know what i mean by *Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa* right? :) everyone's deeeze makes the bwaaa sound right?
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ps. all know what i mean by *Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa* right? :) everyone's deeeze makes the bwaaa sound right?
My daily driver diesels do not "Bwaaa" at all. They belch, roar, snort and growl, but they don't Bwa. :D
And the one I was driving last night had a major soot problem. :shock: One light tap on the go-juice and instant midnight! She's headed to the shop Monday, though.
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No big short straight exhaust? :o I get the bwaa all the time in 4th up big hills at 80km/hr
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No big short straight exhaust? :o I get the bwaa all the time in 4th up big hills at 80km/hr
5" exhaust, single resonator, DOC, and it all wraps down, around and goes up about ten feet in the air before it exhausts. Venting the gasses from a 5.9L common rail industrial Cummins.
"Bwaaaa" is for four cylinders. :p
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"Bwaaaa" is for four cylinders. :p
What is this "Bwaaaa" sound??
Like is that the sound of a quick revving engine?? Being a 4 cyl?
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"Bwaaaa" is for four cylinders. :p
What is this "Bwaaaa" sound??
Like is that the sound of a quick revving engine?? Being a 4 cyl?
"Bwaaa" is a combination of the "four cylinder buzz" and what is essentially a wide open air path from intake through exhaust. The exhaust pulses in a four cylinder tend to vibrate the exhaust, so they add the "b" to the engine's "waaaaa!"
The DDs I'm talking about are all Cummins inline sixes, they don't bwaaa. :D Actually, with the gear-drive on the cam, air compressors and hydraulic pumps (well, the primaries) there's a whole lot of whirring and whining going on back there.
One of them has had a too-tight alternator belt (12kW alternator :shock:) for too long, so the alternator bearing is dying. We call her "The Angry Hornet" as she goes about campus.