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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: dieselsmoke on February 22, 2009, 04:22:31 pm
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Has anyone here on the forums that live in manitoba had to put one of those crappy MPI IMMOBILIZERS into there diesel vw yet? They have them issued for the 90 - 94 jetta and golfs and I believe the passats as well. Has anyone disabled them before? I have heard of at least a few dozen people I know that have had nightmares after these POS things were installed. I would just like to "cut a wire" to disable it so it dosen't effect my car and then re-enable it once I want to sell the car. I know on the 93-94 the electrical is alot more touchy and complex then the 90-92. If anyone has tips on this please let me know.
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What exactly is it?
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i think the immobilize he's talking about is for insurance purposes only... to reduce car thefts (so they insurance companies don't have to pay out as much... wow maybe they could pass on the savings to the customers? nah... what was i thinking? :roll:)
whats so bad about the MPI immobilizer anyway? does it have a special key? if you really want, you could install your own circuitry. i've been contempating building a push button ignition system. one circuit board could be used to trigger the accessories to toggle "ON" and another circuit to toggle the starter as a momentay switch, but then have it toggled off so that you don't re-engage the starter when you press it to turn off the motor. the parts to get that going would probably cost about $50. to make it even more complex, you could wire in a signal from the alternator to disengage the starter much like a remote starter would do.
other than that, you could try an on/off switch for the accessories, and a momentary switch for the starter.
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Yeah, it is for insurance purposes only. MPI makes you put them in if you have a most at risk vehicle or you can't register your car. Funny though that they only put 90-94 vws since the 86-92 and 93-96 have pretty much the same electrical.
The imobilizers that they use are passive ones that basically just use the key fob that has to be close to the steering column when you go to start the car or else it won't work.
The problem I have with them is that these things are screwing up the electrical systems of tons of vehicles and causing alot of people to get stranded because their vehicle will not start because of these. I know first hand of at least a couple dozen people this has happened to and I don't want this to happen to me with a kid in the car and being stuck because this POS won't let you start your car. For the Diesels I have heard of it screwing up the electrical to the point where it won't let your glow plugs work and if that happens in winter you can bet on not starting your car. Then you have to pay to get things fixed after these pieces of crap screw your car up. With us driving German cars you can sure as heck bet on having some noob who has never touched the electrical of a german car go in and install this and then screw up the electrical in your car.
MPI says that it must be one of the following models and must be done by an approved installer (no DIY installs):
PFK Autowatch 329 Ti Immobilizer
MasterGard M6000 Immobilizer
MasterGard TK Immobilizer
Powerlock-Canada Immobilizer
So, since they are forcing you to get this done I have no choice but I will be disabling it or ripping it out of my car after they are done making a mess of my electrical.
Oh I forgot to mention that if you have any other "existing" electrical problems that the shop "has" to fix before they can do the install then you have to pay for that as well which is a joke since if they want me to put this crap in MPI should pay for it. Man I hate MPI.....
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What is MPI ? Is it a brand of insurance ? Can't you switch companies so you don't have to go through this?
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BMW has a similar immobilizer that started with the E36 platform. System includes a rotating passkey that must match the code transmitted by the chip in the key, which otherwise prevents ignition. Great preventive measure for auto theft, fairly bad for non-car thieves. Lots and lots of stories about stranded cars with malfunctioning EWS. OBDII engine swaps typically involve towing the car to the dealer to have EWS realigned.
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MPI is Manitoba Public insurance. It is a government Monopoly. You can only get your insurance through them in Manitoba. Believe me if I could go private or with someone else I would.
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MPI is Manitoba Public insurance. It is a government Monopoly. You can only get your insurance through them in Manitoba. Believe me if I could go private or with someone else I would.
That is the biggest SHAM i have ever heard of :shock: !
Thats actually sickening.. Stupid government.
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Welcome to communist, Russia.
Check out the link below, it will make you sick.
http://blog.canoe.ca/raisinghell/2008/06/18/mpi_shares_private_info
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A while back, we had a Tea Party in Boston for smaller reasons !! LOL
If you move down to Wisconsin, they don't require insurance on your vehicle at all !!! If you cause a personal injury accident, they will force to you place a $5,000 cash bond with the state until the injury is healed.
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^^^awesome
What happens if you can't front the cash? Do they suspend your license?
That sucks..
Kind of like being legally required to pay for auto insurance in general :wink:
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Welcome to communist, Russia.
Check out the link below, it will make you sick.
http://blog.canoe.ca/raisinghell/2008/06/18/mpi_shares_private_info
We are not too far behind in some areas - The world's largest police air force gets their planes by confiscating them from "suspects". If you are flying into Detroit City airport, and our air traffic control takes you a little south across the river into Canada's airspace, our Customs & Boarder Patrol Nazi can take your plane for themselves...
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/air_marine/
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MPI is turning into an NDP cash cow. It's time to bring that fat cow to slaughter. :lol:
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I have been screwed by MPI a few times already and can't stand them. If anyone gets one of those imobilizers installed and figures out how to disable them so they don't screw your electrical please let me know. I will be gettng mine done and will figure out how to get rid of it myself if no one here figures out how to do it.
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How much do you have to pay for the device?
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What strikes me a bit funny about this is they are forcing you to have an electrical component installed in a way that means you have to cut the factory harness. I have heard of some cases in Ontario where dealers have refused to do electrical troubleshooting on cars that had remote starters installed until they were removed and the wiring was returned to factory specifications. I wonder what a VW dealer's approach would be to a warranty situation on the electrical system caused by the installation of the MPI mandated equipment?
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If your vehicle is on the most at risk list you pay nothing I believe. BUT in the end we are since MPI is government owned the taxpayers end up paying for it. The big thing that worries me is that even if they do "Pay" for it, if the place installing it has to do any "additional" work on the car that they see is above and beyond what a regular install is you have to pay for it. Also, when the piece of crap wrecks your vehicle or leaves you stranded you will be paying alot more for tow jobs and mechanics to fix it.
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I believe that the dealership will not touch it, you will have to take it to the place that installed it or some other mechanic to fix it. As for the warrenty, I am not sure. I would be right pissed if it voided my warrenty.
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Welcome to communist, Russia.
Check out the link below, it will make you sick.
http://blog.canoe.ca/raisinghell/2008/06/18/mpi_shares_private_info
We are not too far behind in some areas - The world's largest police air force gets their planes by confiscating them from "suspects". If you are flying into Detroit City airport, and our air traffic control takes you a little south across the river into Canada's airspace, our Customs & Boarder Patrol Nazi can take your plane for themselves...
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/air_marine/
WTF!!! "hey i like this guy's plane... lets take him a little south" :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
my idea of a perfect insurance company, would be 100% electronic. just a bunch of tech savvy people running the company from their homes. you have a claim, you enter it online. it gets approved or denied and off you go. someone gets injured, and then they get their money... today's insurance companies are profit driven, and shouldn't be that way. because they take from the needy... for injury claims, two or more doctors would have to sign off on the injuries - whether or not someone is injured for life, or the extent of the injuries. too much legal hassle for someone to get what they deserve. 3 years lingering in a court battle is just wrong. the only ones who profit from that are... you guessed it! LAWYERS!!!!!!!! aaaaarghhh :lol:
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Just heard today that an extended family member was left stranded at 2:30 in the morning coming from a house party because the imobilizer wouldn't let the car start. I should keep a running tally....
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Just heard today that an extended family member was left stranded at 2:30 in the morning coming from a house party because the imobilizer wouldn't let the car start. I should keep a running tally....
everyone should stand up against the government in this case.
in your case, i would seriously consider bypassing this immobilizing device. not hard in our case :) run a direct wire right to the fuel stop solenoid, and to the head lights (with a fuse of course) and off you go. no heat, but put the selector to hottest, and then drive real fast :lol:
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Ok, without looking at your particular alarm system, I can't be 100% on this, but the following is based on removing numerous alarm systems.
Being a diesel, you have a really simple setup. Only way to imobilise it is to kill power to the stop solenoid, and to stop it from being cranked, the will normally kill the ignition live feed near the steering barrel. You can have all the fancy chips and electronics in the world, but a non OEM alarm system has to hack into these 2 parts of the loom, making it VERY easy to trace and bypass. What I normally do is find the alarm "brain" and trace all the wires, the rest will become obvious when you see where they have been spliced to the original loom.
I would install a DPDT switch on both wires when found so in one position, the wiring is as VW intended, in the other it's bypassed through the MPI to pass whatever standards you have to. Just hide the switch somewhere discrete :)
-Gavin
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If MPI requires you to install one of these devices, and your car is still stolen, will they still pay you? Here in the US if you have a recent Mercedes-Benz with their fancy anti-theft, the insurance will not pay if it is stolen because they believe the system to be hacker-proof and therefore blame you for leaving the FOB in the car....
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/31/1549238
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Sprokets
That is a good idea installing two DPDT switches. I think that is what I will do.
Arb
Not sure if insurance will cover you vehicle or not if it is stolen with these alarms installed. Since MPI is only using 4 types I am sure a car thief can figure these out soon enough and steal your car pretty quickly.