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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: kaneb on January 24, 2009, 07:55:51 pm
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Hi just wondering if the 1.8t intercooler would be good on a 1.6td? Or would it be better to just get something bigger? I don't have the engine completely built yet, but it will be running more ponies then stock for sure!
kane
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would that be cost effective? :?
im guessing you would get it new?
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Im running an IC from a mitsubishi eclipse,works well
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Im running an IC from a mitsubishi eclipse,works well
I have a spare one of those if you ever need one
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No it would be pretty cheap. We have a vw wreckers in the city and they have quite a few of them. I just dont want to have something to big you know cluttering up my engine bay.
Just wondering if there would be a gain in a cooler that is this small?
Thanks,
kane
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theres gonna be a gain.Any cooler of temps is a plus.The smaller the cooler the less pressure drop.It just depends on how eficient they are at cooling the air.Bigger isnt always better in intercooling.You can get to big.
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Thats what i thought.
I like the idea of running a smaller intercooler and also running a oil cooler. I guess though its also i have to get the engine finished and installed and see how the intercooler is, if it doesn't do a good enough job ill find something else. Its just an easy part to get and small so an easier install and not as much clutter.
What size of intercoolers are you all running?
Kane
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I have both a IC from a 1.9TDI and a IC from a 1.8T. They are about the same size. I plan to use the 1.8T IC in one of my 1.6TD caddies along with the 1.9TDI IC in another caddy.
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Does anyone have any more info on running a 1.8t intercooler with a 1.6?
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Does anyone have any more info on running a 1.8t intercooler with a 1.6?
the stock 1.8T intercoolers kinda suck.. they are really thick, and hard to mount in a mk1 or mk2/3 without moving stuff..
there are much better options out there..
myself personally, i dont even consider plastic intercoolers an option anymore.. the plastic tanks split too easy..
go with something all metal, like a supra intercooler, or starion, or eclipse, or ford probe, or anything like that..
all those that i listed, are 100x better than a 1.8T side mount cooler..
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Does anyone have any more info on running a 1.8t intercooler with a 1.6?
the stock 1.8T intercoolers kinda suck.. they are really thick, and hard to mount in a mk1 or mk2/3 without moving stuff..
there are much better options out there..
myself personally, i dont even consider plastic intercoolers an option anymore.. the plastic tanks split too easy..
go with something all metal, like a supra intercooler, or starion, or eclipse, or ford probe, or anything like that..
all those that i listed, are 100x better than a 1.8T side mount cooler..
Can i keep my ac and still be able to run one up front?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/2g-DSM-eclipse-talon-95-99-Turbo-stock-oem-side-mount-intercooler-SMIC-/360499142842?fits=Model:Eclipse&hash=item53ef6c60ba&item=360499142842&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
Something like this?
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you need something REALLY THIN to be able to retain your stock a/c
something like a supra intercooler.. they are very thin..
so are ford prob intercoolers.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/2g-DSM-eclipse-talon-95-99-Turbo-stock-oem-side-mount-intercooler-SMIC-/360499142842?fits=Model:Eclipse&hash=item53ef6c60ba&item=360499142842&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
Something like this?
I don't even see how that could be integrated properly. It looks like one of the outlets is smaller then the other. How bizzare!
And kaneb, as far as all these IC talks, what chassis application are you talking about? MK1? 2?
Which do the Supra/Probe ICs fit best in?
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/2g-DSM-eclipse-talon-95-99-Turbo-stock-oem-side-mount-intercooler-SMIC-/360499142842?fits=Model:Eclipse&hash=item53ef6c60ba&item=360499142842&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
Something like this?
I don't even see how that could be integrated properly. It looks like one of the outlets is smaller then the other. How bizzare!
And kaneb, as far as all these IC talks, what chassis application are you talking about? MK1? 2?
Which do the Supra/Probe ICs fit best in?
mkdos
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/2g-DSM-eclipse-talon-95-99-Turbo-stock-oem-side-mount-intercooler-SMIC-/360499142842?fits=Model:Eclipse&hash=item53ef6c60ba&item=360499142842&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
Something like this?
I don't even see how that could be integrated properly. It looks like one of the outlets is smaller then the other. How bizzare!
And kaneb, as far as all these IC talks, what chassis application are you talking about? MK1? 2?
Which do the Supra/Probe ICs fit best in?
mkdos
starion intercooler fits beautifully in mk2! need pics?
wait.. air conditioning!!
you want something thinner than a starion cooler, again, maybe the supra cooler.. its been used in a setup that retained the stock a/c..
sprinter diesel cooler ive heard works as well.. fits AROUND the radiator..
i ran both my inlet and outlet from behind the same side of the radiator.. all my boost tubing (turbo intake, boost to cooler, and boost to engine) all run down the passenger side of the car. it makes the passenger side a bit busy, but the rest of my engine bay is un-cluttered..
look on ebay for intercoolers, just for the pictures, it will give you an idea of what will and wont fit..
inlet and outlet on the same side is a big plus..
only way i would see a 1.8t cooler working, is if you moved the radiator back.., they are pretty thick (thicker than my starion cooler, and i SHOULD move my radiator back, but didnt..
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plastic end tanks splitting eh? must not be mounted very well...I have been running 30psi through a Saab 9-5 FMIC for a while now without an issue....
chk out this thread...http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=314080 (http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=314080)
Here is my current setup...
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3913572&postcount=26 (http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3913572&postcount=26)
required making a custom cooling fan setup. The stock fan motors are frickin huge.
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considering that the tank wasnt even mounted to anything, i doubt mounting was the issue..
the tank didnt split either, it came un-crimped off the core..
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I have a Starion intercooler I'd like to sell if anyone is interested, good size I think for a mki or mkii if anyone wants pictures just for curiosity and discussion I can upload
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I have a Starion intercooler I'd like to sell if anyone is interested, good size I think for a mki or mkii if anyone wants pictures just for curiosity and discussion I can upload
starion ICs are a very good choice for mk1-3 VWs.. im sure they can be used in later cars as well..
How much you lookin for Trav?
ive seen them sell for anywhere between 30-100 dollars..
i picked mine up for 30 bucks :P
it really makes it easy to install them, being that the inlet and outlet are on the same side..
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I have a Starion intercooler I'd like to sell if anyone is interested, good size I think for a mki or mkii if anyone wants pictures just for curiosity and discussion I can upload
send em to me trev
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im thinking of putting it down by driver side wheel.
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im thinking of putting it down by driver side wheel.
not much flow there, and not much room for boost tubing or the like...
in front of the radiator is the best place.. it makes boost tube routing easier, allows for much better air flow across the cooler, and looks much cleaner..
the 1.8t cooler takes up more room than there is in front of the tire under the fender.. its a fairly bulky unit.
you would likely have to build shrouds and such, to direct air towards it, and keep rocks and road debris from damaging it..
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I will take pics as for price I think I paid around $100 shipped for but I do not mind losing some money to empty a shelf so I'd prefer offers if anyone is interested
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im thinking of putting it down by driver side wheel.
star/quest intercooler definitely wont fit in the lower inner fender.. lol
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Only thing i dont see is how i can fit tubing up on that side with airbox there. looks like a good one though. What if i mounted it low inside the bumper would it fit as far as radiator and ac condesner clearence..
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Only thing i dont see is how i can fit tubing up on that side with airbox there. looks like a good one though. What if i mounted it low inside the bumper would it fit as far as radiator and ac condesner clearence..
Like in the bumper's air opening? IDK, that thing looks too tall for that kind of application. The universal aftermarket ones actually do well for that spot since they are short and thick as opposed to tall and thin.
I thought the MK2 had enough under-hood clearance that you could pass a boost pipe over the valve cover. You could also clock the turbo outlet downwards and run the boost pipe under the harmonic crank pulley like the mk4 and mk5's do stock. Run the turbo hose to the lower IC inlet, and route the rest of the pipe in front of the engine. Only snag I see in this setup is clearing the passenger axle, but the mk4/5's did it, so why couldn't we find a way?
As far as the ID-to-intake routing, Jack's Lack did it the way I described. Ignore the turbo-to-IC routing (and the fact that it's a MK1) for the purpose of this discussion:
(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/kaputtschlagen/RelocatedFilters2.jpg)
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Only thing i dont see is how i can fit tubing up on that side with airbox there. looks like a good one though. What if i mounted it low inside the bumper would it fit as far as radiator and ac condesner clearence..
i have all my tubing running on the airbox side of the engine bay..
turbo intake
boost to cooler
boost to engine
are all ran down the same side..