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Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: commuter boy on January 18, 2009, 09:59:28 pm
My aged Passat has finally bit the dust.  In the space of a week it had a small electrical fire in the dash, the head gasket stopped sipping coolant and started blowing it out the expansion tank and when I jacked up the front to take off the head to replace the gasket one of the shock towers ripped in half.  Oh, and the block has a crack in it to boot.

Time to part it out.  But in BC the government will give me a grand or so to spend on a new car/bicycle/bus passes as long as I can drive it to the government scrapyard.

I'd really hate to send a good K14, Passenger Performance downpipe, manifold, and head to never never land, so I'm wondering if it'll make it 10 miles without all that stuff    :D
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on January 18, 2009, 10:15:02 pm
it will sound horribly loud without an exhaust manifold.  don't use the heat vents either or you'll probably pass out too  :lol: at least you'll have some cool EGT's  :lol:

how far do you have to go?
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: commuter boy on January 18, 2009, 10:40:04 pm
From Burnaby down to Richmond, about 20 minutes.  It'll probably sound a lot longer though   :shock:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on January 18, 2009, 11:06:02 pm
Quote from: "commuter boy"
From Burnaby down to Richmond, about 20 minutes.  It'll probably sound a lot longer though   :shock:


should work just fine.  are you taking it there with the Giles pump on it? try not to push the car too hard  :wink:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: commuter boy on January 18, 2009, 11:19:56 pm
I'd rather see the pump go into good hands.  I'll see what comes out of the "feeler" thread I posted.  I might even consider trading it to a local for another pump and some cash just so I can drive it away.
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: burn_your_money on January 19, 2009, 04:54:23 am
Well you won't make it there without the head.... other then that though you shouldn't have a problem...unless it catches on fire again
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on January 19, 2009, 11:30:47 am
would they allow you take parts off once its there?
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Vincent Waldon on January 19, 2009, 12:58:00 pm
Quote from: "commuter boy"
From Burnaby down to Richmond


Is it downhill the whole way perchance?  ;-)
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: commuter boy on January 19, 2009, 01:01:59 pm
Quote from: "jtanguay"
would they allow you take parts off once its there?


Nope.  It's a "clean air" initiative, the idea is to take older polluting vehicles off the road, so they have to have to be licensed and insured for the last year and driveable to the depot.  Pulling parts at the yard is verboten, but if it can get there under it's own steam, it's fine no matter what it's missing.  

As long as I don't get a ticket on the way there   :D
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: smutts on January 19, 2009, 01:21:38 pm
Might be worth chucking on a NA manifold so as to direct the exhaust flames towards the road instead of the bulkhead. Last time I tried this on a petrol Renault of mine, I was suprised at the length of the pretty blue flames that spat out of the ports for a good foot, at idle. Wouldn't like to try that under power, at least not without good fire insurance. Make sure to take a camera! :twisted:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Luckypabst on January 19, 2009, 01:30:41 pm
Spend a little cash and have it towed to around the corner, then drive it in from there.

Chris
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Vincent Waldon on January 19, 2009, 01:35:34 pm
Quote from: "Luckypabst"
Spend a little cash and have it towed to around the corner, then drive it in from there.

Chris


Or, drive it around the corner, pull the turbo etc, then drive a block without a manifold?

Twere me I might also find another pump to swap in first... that suckers gotta be worth at least $500 all on its own?

I guess it all depends on how much time you want to spend...


Vince
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: commuter boy on January 19, 2009, 02:25:53 pm
I've got to get SWMBO a rolling set of wheels by Saturday and I can't buy a new car and apply the enviro-rebate unless I scrap the car before purchase.

If anyone wants to swap a tired plain Jane 1.9 pump for the Giles one and some cash this week I'd look at that too.  If it's someone local they could drop by and I'd have a swap done in an hour or so.
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Rabbit TD on January 19, 2009, 08:29:57 pm
Quote from: "commuter boy"
Quote from: "jtanguay"
would they allow you take parts off once its there?


Nope.  It's a "clean air" initiative, the idea is to take older polluting vehicles off the road, so they have to have to be licensed and insured for the last year and driveable to the depot.  Pulling parts at the yard is verboten, but if it can get there under it's own steam, it's fine no matter what it's missing.  

As long as I don't get a ticket on the way there   :D



I doub if they would even give you a ticket if you told them what you were doing, evidently it's their idea anyway to get rid of them :D
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Rabbit TD on January 19, 2009, 08:37:15 pm
Quote from: "commuter boy"
I've got to get SWMBO a rolling set of wheels by Saturday and I can't buy a new car and apply the enviro-rebate unless I scrap the car before purchase.

If anyone wants to swap a tired plain Jane 1.9 pump for the Giles one and some cash this week I'd look at that too.  If it's someone local they could drop by and I'd have a swap done in an hour or so.


I think you can use just about any old pump can't you even a 1.5 I think just to drive it, I wouldn't want to loose your pump either, probably worth more than the turbo and harder to replace.
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: cyrus #1 on January 19, 2009, 09:18:06 pm
Strip the motor right down to the crankshaft and drive it in with the starter.  :twisted:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on January 19, 2009, 09:45:33 pm
Quote from: "cyrus #1"
Strip the motor right down to the crankshaft and drive it in with the starter.  :twisted:


now thats funny!  :lol: burn that thing to death
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Rabbit TD on January 19, 2009, 09:47:05 pm
Quote from: "cyrus #1"
Strip the motor right down to the crankshaft and drive it in with the starter.  :twisted:



I like that, it's the best one yet, the junkyard guys would probably say, "Hell, this guy's getting rid of a HYBRID, I'm gonn take this thing home myself"  :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: truckinwagen on January 19, 2009, 09:55:39 pm
I wonder how far you could go before the battery dies, or the starter burns up?
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: cyrus #1 on January 19, 2009, 10:02:10 pm
Probably not far enough, and I bet it would be a slow grind.  I can just picture huge jams as it dies in the middle of a bridge.  :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on January 19, 2009, 10:09:53 pm
Quote from: "cyrus #1"
Probably not far enough, and I bet it would be a slow grind.  I can just picture huge jams as it dies in the middle of a bridge.  :lol:


get it towed to within a block... without any resistance from the crank, it should be able to get you there...  :lol:

"hey isn't this a diesel??? wow this thing is QUIET!!!" opens the hood "um....  :shock:"

 :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: burn_your_money on January 20, 2009, 10:51:24 am
yank the motor and drop a 1.6 NA in there
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on January 20, 2009, 10:53:30 am
Quote from: "burn_your_money"
yank the motor and drop a 1.6 NA in there


ya!  the Giles pump is worth at least $600...  even more if your in no rush  :wink:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: burn_your_money on January 20, 2009, 10:56:27 am
It's not like you would need to hook up the coolant system or any of the wires.

I drove a NA rabbit for about a month with no rad LOL yeah it overheated and died
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on January 20, 2009, 11:28:58 am
Quote from: "burn_your_money"
It's not like you would need to hook up the coolant system or any of the wires.

I drove a NA rabbit for about a month with no rad LOL yeah it overheated and died


hahaha did you at least put coolant in it??? thats awesome!  "i thought it was aircooled"  :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: burn_your_money on January 20, 2009, 03:24:07 pm
Well it did have a rad in it but it had a gaping hole in it. I'd fill it with water before leaving and usually about 15 minutes later it would start overheating. I'd keep driving until it was about in the red and then I'd just pull over on the side of the road for 5-10 minutes while it cooled down a bit :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Rabbit TD on January 20, 2009, 09:02:55 pm
Quote from: "burn_your_money"
Well it did have a rad in it but it had a gaping hole in it. I'd fill it with water before leaving and usually about 15 minutes later it would start overheating. I'd keep driving until it was about in the red and then I'd just pull over on the side of the road for 5-10 minutes while it cooled down a bit :lol:



I bet you were at the begining of the learning curve then weren't you Ha Ha"  I wouldn't think the things would last that long.  My son beat the guts out of 2 80 Rabbits I had years ago.  He is now a 35 year old cop down in Georgia beating the guts out of the depts. police cruisers. :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: burn_your_money on January 21, 2009, 04:52:04 am
It wasn't my car. It was my cousins. I instisted that he should fix it, he said "it's fine, just keep driving it"

OK :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: dubbinchris on February 05, 2009, 10:22:41 pm
Quote from: "jtanguay"
Quote from: "cyrus #1"
Probably not far enough, and I bet it would be a slow grind.  I can just picture huge jams as it dies in the middle of a bridge.  :lol:


get it towed to within a block... without any resistance from the crank, it should be able to get you there...  :lol:



This totally gets my vote.  If not I'll send you my pump plus an extra $100 and you send me that giles pump.  :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Golf/Jetta on February 11, 2009, 02:29:30 pm
could just cut a big hole in the floor and walk their
if your planning to use the starter idea take the injectors out..(no compression to do)
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on February 11, 2009, 02:37:06 pm
Quote from: "Golf/Jetta"
could just cut a big hole in the floor and walk their
if your planning to use the starter idea take the injectors out..(no compression to do)


the head would be removed at this point  :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Golf/Jetta on February 11, 2009, 02:54:02 pm
pistons, stearing pump, alternater, a/c. anything connected to the crack execpt starter and tranny. less load for the starter.
could just get a tow in and say it broke down on the way in
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: 8v-of-fury on February 11, 2009, 06:04:01 pm
Quote from: "Golf/Jetta"
pistons, stearing pump, alternater, a/c. anything connected to the crack execpt starter and tranny. less load for the starter.
could just get a tow in and say it broke down on the way in


oh man this one takes it..! LOL but don't the starters only spin somewhere close to like 500 rpm's tops? thatd be a ***ty ride.. lol DO IT take a video, and post it for us all to die laughing of.  :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Golf/Jetta on February 12, 2009, 03:31:04 am
could always shift gears to get her going
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: gldgti on February 15, 2009, 03:48:53 am
put a straight through exhaust on it with a nice nozzle, connect the compressor outlet straight to the turbine inlet and inject diesel straight in.... use the exhaust pipe thrust to roll in with no engine.

 :oops:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Golf/Jetta on February 20, 2009, 02:22:40 am
still would need that timing belt for that to work but nice. talk about a run-away diesel. maybe a timing belt from a v8?
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: 8v-of-fury on February 20, 2009, 05:57:44 am
I think the starter idea would work best.. Remove the head, remove both manifolds, exhaust system, cooling system, all the interior, put a bucket to sit on, cruise on the starter in to the junkyard doing about 15-17 km/h in fifth :) you might have to get it towed to around the block though like earlier suggested.. lmao

Hey, they said as long as you drive it on the lot under its own power.. it doesnt matter the condition right? :)
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Rabbit TD on February 20, 2009, 07:54:58 pm
Just find a junk ard that's at the bottom of a hill :roll:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: vanbcguy on February 20, 2009, 09:07:21 pm
I think I know someone in Vancouver with a few NA pumps... Maybe we can figure something out.  How soon are you planning on doing all of this?
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on February 20, 2009, 09:41:35 pm
Quote from: "8v-of-fury"
I think the starter idea would work best.. Remove the head, remove both manifolds, exhaust system, cooling system, all the interior, put a bucket to sit on, cruise on the starter in to the junkyard doing about 15-17 km/h in fifth :) you might have to get it towed to around the block though like earlier suggested.. lmao

Hey, they said as long as you drive it on the lot under its own power.. it doesnt matter the condition right? :)


make them eat their words... take EVERYTHING from the car... strip that thing bare!  :lol: even take the transmission and motor out... weld the starter directly to one driveshaft by this point you might as well take off the front bumper, cross member... head light assembly... rad... take the whole damn thing off and even the windshield.  gas tank too if you have time...

i would pay to see the expression on their faces as you pulled up!!!!
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: 8v-of-fury on February 21, 2009, 09:44:49 am
Quote from: "jtanguay"

take EVERYTHING from the car... strip that thing bare!


MAN that would make it soooo much lighter! EVERYTHING GOES, i mean everything.. If it can be disassembled and doesn't interfere with the car.. "rolling". I too would pay to see this happen :P

Maybe we could all chip in a few bucks to get the OP to do this? document it all with a thousand pics and videos?  If we all chipped like 5-10$ it would be worth it dont you think lol
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: jtanguay on February 21, 2009, 11:05:03 am
Quote from: "libbybapa"
Quote from: "jtanguay"
weld the starter directly to one driveshaft


Unfortunately you'd then have a very hard time not going in circles.

Andrew


as long as you get a grip on the wheel it should be ok  :lol: i was even thinking to put a rubber mount on the starter and have it drive one of the rear tires by friction...   :lol:

i think we ruined this guys thread  :o  :lol:

in my head i picture something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnNKTlPZzeM) but without the loud motor  :lol:
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: commuter boy on February 22, 2009, 12:26:13 am
Quote from: "vanbcguy"
I think I know someone in Vancouver with a few NA pumps... Maybe we can figure something out.  How soon are you planning on doing all of this?


The ScrapIt paperwork is taking forever, so it's still here, but I don't know how well a 1.6 NA pump would work on a 1.9
Title: AAZ driveable to junkyard without turbo?
Post by: Rabbit TD on February 22, 2009, 12:31:17 am
Quote from: "commuter boy"
Quote from: "vanbcguy"
I think I know someone in Vancouver with a few NA pumps... Maybe we can figure something out.  How soon are you planning on doing all of this?


The ScrapIt paperwork is taking forever, so it's still here, but I don't know how well a 1.6 NA pump would work on a 1.9



If it bolts on it will work and it should be fine.