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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: 53 willys on November 17, 2008, 12:16:55 pm
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found this while in my MAD search for a better more reliable MLS gasket for the 1.6td I just cant get over the HG modding I know lots of guys are doing it with pretty good results...but I'm just having a hard time trusting it LONG TERM...
found this...I'm gonna send them my old fiber gasket...with the AAZ cooling holes drilled into the gasket and have them make me a MLS version!!
the guy quoted me $130...with a 10 day turnaround 8)
I'm gonna try it!!! hope it works out!!
http://www.gasketstogo.com/
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Damn man! Good find.!
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Damn man! Good find.!
I just hope it all works out?!?!?! I'm still gonna have to wait about 2 weeks to see if it works or not...damn car is gonna be stuck in my garage all tore apart for at least 2 more weeks! :cry:
I think this may prove to be worth the wait tho.....I hope 8)
if anybody wants one...or some let me know..I'm pretty sure if we buy a few we could get a price break....
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They might give you a better deal if you deliver the CAD to them. Here it is in DXF:
Mechanical Headgasket DXF (http://www.filefactory.com/file/b516f4/n/Mechanical_Headgasket_dxf)
Andrew
shoot if I can send a file it would shave about 5 days off my wait time....
now if I could figure out how to download that file to where I can see/view it?
my computer says it can not find a program to read the file?
I need the 1.6 CAD...but I need or would like it to have the extra cooling holes in the CAD?? like the AAZ HG possible??
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Wow, I'd take at least 3 of them. Great find.
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I dont have the stuff to read those files it sounds like...I'm gonna send my fiber 2 notch out today. I used my MLS AAZ gasket as a template and drilled the holes in the fiber gasket I'm sending.
he has tons of good feedback on his site...I talked to him this morning and he told me it was midnight in Thailand...we chated for 30 mins.... :shock:
seems like a straight up guy..
hope it works out I will keep you guys posted..think I'm gonna get two...
maybe I should get mine here first before we order up to make sure they work/look good?
I'm excited thats for sure!!
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If you send him the file also, it will save a bunch of time for him. You could simply e-mail it. DXF is a universal CAD file and he would most certainly be able to read it even if you can't.
Andrew
so can we get the extra cooling holes put in the CAD?? that would be the only thing I would like to see put on the gasket..I think the extra holes will be a nice bonus for this little engine..
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I'd be interested in the 1 notch (1.53mm).
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I've got a couple of AAZ gaskets kicking around and also have Autocad so can read the file.. I can probably shoot Andrew the dimensions and locations of the extra cooling holes in the next couple of days... can't get to it much sooner unfortunately.
Having said that, the vendor may want to do all their own mastering so that they have full control over the end quality... probably worth finding out from them before we mock up a revised drawing ?
Vince
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I've got a couple of AAZ gaskets kicking around and also have Autocad so can read the file.. I can probably shoot Andrew the dimensions and locations of the extra cooling holes in the next couple of days... can't get to it much sooner unfortunately.
Having said that, the vendor may want to do all their own mastering so that they have full control over the end quality... probably worth finding out from them before we mock up a revised drawing ?
Vince
I would say just do it when you get some time...I'm still gonna send my fiber 2 notch to the guy...with the AAZ coolant holes drilled...that way either way the ball is rolling...I really wanna get my car running that's why I'm kinda in a hurry..
thanks for the help Vince
Mark
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This will even work out good for me Mark, Be sure to ask about different thickness's please.
Sounds like saurkraut and I are in the same boat.
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This will even work out good for me Mark, Be sure to ask about different thickness's please.
Sounds like saurkraut and I are in the same boat.
I already asked....the 3 notch may be slightly more...but yes all thicknesses are available.. :D
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Thats great!
At this point it doesn't matter as I've welded up the offending holes but think of the possibilities for future reference. :twisted:
A side from plugging the oil return hole in the head.
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Thats great!
At this point it doesn't matter as I've welded up the offending holes but think of the possibilities for future reference. :twisted:
A side from plugging the oil return hole in the head.
thats a hydro head thing right?? I dont have to worry about the oil drain?
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Correct, doesn't pertain to you.
Just those of us that are using Hydro heads on solid lifter blocks.
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I'll take 2...
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I would be interested in one for my 85. I haven't got it back form the machinist yet to measure piston protrusion. Depends on the price though...I would rather have 2 gaskets for that price. How low will he go?
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I would be interested in one for my 85. I haven't got it back form the machinist yet to measure piston protrusion. Depends on the price though...I would rather have 2 gaskets for that price. How low will he go?
I dont know how low he will go?? he had just mentioned the quantity price break briefly and honestly I cant really wait for a group buy situation anyway..I'm gonna order two gaskets from him...if they look good when I get them, THEN we could/should try a GB or something to help bring the price down??
after blowing my fiber HG on on the test drive of my build...I would pay $200 a piece for a GOOD MLS gasket....stock gaskets suck!!! and I know I wont be able to stay away from at least 20psi..so I need something to make this head stay in place.
I will keep you guys updated!! 8)
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sorry, MLS? What does this abbreviation mean?
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MLS is Multi-Layer Steel.
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sorry, MLS? What does this abbreviation mean?
Multi-Layer Steel
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I plan to run a 1.9 MLS but currently i have a factory fiber gasket. Gonna use ARP and MLS just for security, but i don't think the factory fibers are that bad.
In an effort to get my car that has been sitting for 10 plus years we pulled the head to replace the head gasket. We sanded the head and block with some fine sandpaper and one of the steel blocks found on the front subframe. Only had a 2 notch even though the engine had a 1 notch on it. Slapped it together and have been pushing 20 psi since. Also with just new stretch bolts.
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I plan to run a 1.9 MLS but currently i have a factory fiber gasket. Gonna use ARP and MLS just for security, but i don't think the factory fibers are that bad.
In an effort to get my car that has been sitting for 10 plus years we pulled the head to replace the head gasket. We sanded the head and block with some fine sandpaper and one of the steel blocks found on the front subframe. Only had a 2 notch even though the engine had a 1 notch on it. Slapped it together and have been pushing 20 psi since. Also with just new stretch bolts.
man I don't know what's with with my fiber gasket...it sucked big time on my car.
arp studs+fiber HG+20psi=blown in 2 spots
maybe I have high drive pressure with my hybrid turbo????
I would never trust running 20psi daily on a fiber HG...I thought I could after reading the forums..but if it was me I would not waste my time with fiber..even more if your running big boost....
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man I don't know what's with with my fiber gasket...it sucked big time on my car.
arp studs+fiber HG+20psi=blown in 2 spots
maybe I have high drive pressure with my hybrid turbo????
I would never trust running 20psi daily on a fiber HG...I thought I could after reading the forums..but if it was me I would not waste my time with fiber..even more if your running big boost....
Not to doubt your checks, but how assiduously did you check your head for straightness? I imagine that a perfectly flat head wouldn't blow out a fiber headgasket even at 25+ PSI, but one that's a touch out of plane would probably let go much earlier.
Balance of forces and all that.
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sorry, MLS? What does this abbreviation mean?
Multi-Layer Steel
Ok gotcha.
Been running an AAZ Hg on my Mech engine for 17k now with no prblems. 25psi daily and I am not nice to it.
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Not to doubt your checks, but how assiduously did you check your head for straightness? I imagine that a perfectly flat head wouldn't blow out a fiber headgasket even at 25+ PSI, but one that's a touch out of plane would probably let go much earlier.
Balance of forces and all that.
The head was COMPLETELY gone through at the machine shop and was planed flat.
It was a strange situation for sure, he didn't even use a cheap gasket it was a German gasket from Myke if I remember correctly but sure a sh*t it was blown.
He did mention the studs "felt" different when he went for a retorque.
Once he gets a MLS in there and buttons it up I don't see him having another problem.
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both my block and head got decked....
if I was to blame it on something I would say it should have been retqed...before I drove it...I think if I would have it may have lasted longer.
factory service manuals says that on a fiber gasket you need to torque the head down..start it and let it run to operating temp(with NO coolant Pressure)..shut it off let it cool...then retorque....I did not reTQ..and when I did finally reTQ the studs were not evenly clamped...some took more turns then the others..
I need to get a drive pressure gauge!! just to make sure I'm not way out of spec on my DP....
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ok guys if you want a custom MLS gasket for your 1.6 then yes it can happen!
my gaskets showed up to Thailand yesterday! and John at gaskets to go sent me a quote on the 3 different thicknesses...
he said he can not guarantee the sizes....SO the VW spec of 1.57mm(2notch) would be a 1.50mm from gaskets to go and the VW spec of 1.61(3notch) would be 1.60mm
anybody see any problems with the sizing??
prices....
1.4mm-1.5mm=$139.95......if we buy more then 5 it's $129.95
1.6mm=$149.95......if we buy more then 5 it's $139.95
$12.95 for shipping.....and $6.00 for each extra gasket you have shipped...
if anybody wants one/some let me know we will try to work something out....
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ok guys the more I think about it the more I don't want to mess with any money exchanging or reshipping just to save $10....its not really worth it to me...and as you guys know my car is in pieces in my shop and I wanna get it running sooner then later....So if you want a gasket call john using "skype" link on gasketstogo.com he is VERY easy to deal with.
and if you wanna wait for me to get mine then that's fine...I will be posting pics/opinions of the gasket soon as I get it...
i'm gonna get a 2 notch and a 3 notch.....
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Dear 53 Willys,
something new here, did you get your headgasket?
I am still waiting for news, because i also wand to buy one.
Best Regards
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also, did you only send him a mechanical gasket? I would like to get one for my project as I see this being my point of failure, but im running a hydro head/block.
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this guys head gasket would only be economical if it could be re-used, which i doubt... not saying that it is inferior quality though...
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this guys head gasket would only be economical if it could be re-used, which i doubt... not saying that it is inferior quality though...
unless you run higher then stock boost..then it worth every cent!
I know this is not for everybody VW...but for guys who wanna push the boost and still DD their VW it a great set-up up.
I know lots of guys have had GREAT results with modding the AAZ MLS but I knew for my own personal warm and fuzzy that the custom MLS is worth the double the normal price...
and your still right! I have no clue if these are really high quality gaskets..all I had to go by was his buyer feedback and pics on his site.
ALSO
No you should NEVER reuse a headgasket..
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Merry Christmas everybody!!
I just got a nice Xmas gift from Thailand!!(pic only, the gaskets ship today)
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j240/53willys/1991%20Jetta%20GLI%20diesel%20conversion/VWDiesel.jpg)
woot woot :lol:
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Hello,
i have just also ordered two gaskets, 1x 2 notch, 1x 3 notch. John seems to be realy a nice guy.
Best regards
Clemens
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Hello,
i have just also ordered two gaskets, 1x 2 notch, 1x 3 notch. John seems to be realy a nice guy.
Best regards
Clemens
NICE!! I'm soooooo excited to get mine I can hardly wait!!...lol
those are the same two sizes I ordered....if he makes your gaskets from my template(witch I'm sure he will) remember it will have the extra AAZ steam holes drilled in the gaskets..so you can drill the same holes in your head and block too 8)
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Is the guy who makes these gaskets web smart?
Invite him to this web page to set up a group buy of your style gasket.
I need a 1 notch for my 1.6TD with the 1.9 head as i pulled that appart again, and my 1.5TD takes a two notch, I think.
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Is the guy who makes these gaskets web smart?
Invite him to this web page to set up a group buy of your style gasket.
I need a 1 notch for my 1.6TD with the 1.9 head as i pulled that appart again, and my 1.5TD takes a two notch, I think.
yes... he is web smart for sure.
but I don't really need any gaskets for myself...mine should be here any day.
if you want to do something like that then sign up for "skype" the link is on gasketstogo.com and talk to John...I'm sure he will work something out with you and the forum members.....I would have done this from the get go..but I could not wait for all the people, money and the rest of the time consuming variables that come with GB's..
I'm sure you could get a lot of guys interested...maybe post a link on vortex in their diesel section too???
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I hope not too many of the vortexers get here but I am definately interested in a gasket or 3. I just don't have the money for all I want. Please do let us know what will happen on the group buy.
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yes... he is web smart for sure.
but I don't really need any gaskets for myself...mine should be here any day.
if you want to do something like that then sign up for "skype" the link is on gasketstogo.com and talk to John...I'm sure he will work something out with you and the forum members.....I would have done this from the get go..but I could not wait for all the people, money and the rest of the time consuming variables that come with GB's..
I'm sure you could get a lot of guys interested...maybe post a link on vortex in their diesel section too???
I did a group buy for the injector shims a while back with Blackboostedtruck. I supose i could do it again.
Put that puppy in and shoot the coal to it so we can see if it holds up. Then I'll see about a group buy.
I'm head-gasket-less right now on my 1.6td franken motor. The Viton I used to make the extra drain hole plug had too high of a durometer and didn't let the head fully seat. I may start to search out softer Viton and go with the 1.9 metal head gasket insted though. So fire that puppy up as soon as you can.
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Hmmm.
I didn't realize head gaskets were such a huge issue...
I thought metal ones sorta solved the problem.
150$ (is that USD too?) for a one time use head gasket is some serious coin!!! Sweet jesus! I thought 60$CDN for mine was a bit much.
What would the difference be anyways? I really look forward to you getting yours to see what the big fuss is all about. can you imagine if you put it on and messed up and had to REDO it?
taking the head off twice is a 300$ job JUST in head gaskets... 4 times and you're almost at a grand!!!
Suppose the point is that you never have to take it off...
I wonder if a gasket made of some sort of putty would work too... and the surfaces of the block and head were rough to adhere to the putty substance. :P then you run into thickness problems i know...
Good luck man i hope it holds for centuries.
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$25CDN is probably the lowest price for the 1.9 MLS gasket...
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Hmmm.
I didn't realize head gaskets were such a huge issue...
I thought metal ones sorta solved the problem.
150$ (is that USD too?) for a one time use head gasket is some serious coin!!! Sweet jesus! I thought 60$CDN for mine was a bit much.
What would the difference be anyways? I really look forward to you getting yours to see what the big fuss is all about. can you imagine if you put it on and messed up and had to REDO it?
taking the head off twice is a 300$ job JUST in head gaskets... 4 times and you're almost at a grand!!!
Suppose the point is that you never have to take it off...
I wonder if a gasket made of some sort of putty would work too... and the surfaces of the block and head were rough to adhere to the putty substance. :P then you run into thickness problems i know...
Good luck man i hope it holds for centuries.
haha your funny Ed!!
yeah...reliability and power are not cheap....even more so when you are pushing these little engines way past their designed power rating.
my time is money....taking my head off once a year to replace a bad fiber gasket is not for me.
like I said this custom MLS gasket is not for everybody...and yes I do hope it last me a long time!!
I also hope these gaskets are of good quality...
this is not the first time I have been the guinea pig on a new part or idea.....I dont mind.
I guess I could always run less boost!!
:lol: :twisted: yeah right....
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yes... he is web smart for sure.
but I don't really need any gaskets for myself...mine should be here any day.
if you want to do something like that then sign up for "skype" the link is on gasketstogo.com and talk to John...I'm sure he will work something out with you and the forum members.....I would have done this from the get go..but I could not wait for all the people, money and the rest of the time consuming variables that come with GB's..
I'm sure you could get a lot of guys interested...maybe post a link on vortex in their diesel section too???
I did a group buy for the injector shims a while back with Blackboostedtruck. I supose i could do it again.
Put that puppy in and shoot the coal to it so we can see if it holds up. Then I'll see about a group buy.
I'm head-gasket-less right now on my 1.6td franken motor. The Viton I used to make the extra drain hole plug had too high of a durometer and didn't let the head fully seat. I may start to search out softer Viton and go with the 1.9 metal head gasket insted though. So fire that puppy up as soon as you can.
dont worry I will update you guys soon as she is fired up!!
I think the gaskets should be here the first part of this week!!! 8)
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You can search mcmaster-carr's database isolating materials according to their properties. Makes finding the "perfect" substance a relative breeze.
Andrew
I got the Viton i tried from McMaster. Thickness & Viton was the issue. I was going for a thickness that was a little thicker than the one notch gasket, and I think that was the only Viton available.
I'll have to look at it again, maybe go with a different rubber as the only thing it should see is antifreeze.
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Edit: could be little of topic...but.
I´ve reused several of my 1.9 headgaskets and I´m still running 30-35 psi of boost afterwards. And I must say it works great! :D
A experienced friend of mine which builds race engines told me to stop buying new expensive headgaskets when all he did (if the gasket wasn´t totally screwed up) was putting a thin layer of spraypaint on each side to fill in the small scratches etc.
I always use new headbolts each time when putting it all back together again.
Don´t hate on me for doing it before trying it out yourself. It works! :twisted:
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that's awesome! definitely trying that now i have studs!
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i love mcmaster-carr. the website though, can be tough navigating it sometimes. so you use viton to plug up the head, huh? any pics?
you guys think viton is ever going to be less than 15 dollars a foot? ;D
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i love mcmaster-carr. the website though, can be tough navigating it sometimes. so you use viton to plug up the head, huh? any pics?
you guys think viton is ever going to be less than 15 dollars a foot? ;D
I tried Viton sheet to plug the extra oil drain hole. The durometer of the viton was too high so the head wouldn't seat fully. The best/cheap solution is to use a section of a brand new oil cap gasket. It allot softer, is oil/heat resistant, and readily available.