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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: zaprzal on October 29, 2008, 03:03:47 am
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special thanks:
MJF, Andy2, DVST8R, 935racer
1.6td SB engine
11mm pump
Holset hx27w turbocharger, 8.5cm2 exhaust housing
stock worn nozzles :lol:
a bit of porting
VW T5 (thick) FMIC
2,2" freeflow exhaust
170hp 290nm (at crank)
golf mk2 gti edition blue chassis
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To cool man!!!!
What did you have to do for an exhaust manifold?
Just made an adapter?
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That's awesome. I don't know too much about getting big numbers but it is apparent to me that serious exhaust porting is KEY to running getting huge power without blowing head gaskets.
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To cool man!!!!
What did you have to do for an exhaust manifold?
Just made an adapter?
yes. just adapter
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Nice work!! looks great!....that IC is HUGE!!!
so if its 170 @crank does that mean you put the engine on a engine dyno and ran it without the trans?
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so if its 170 @crank does that mean you put the engine on a engine dyno and ran it without the trans?
no. Dyno calculate power loss at wheels, trans etc.
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170hp 290nm
stock worn nozzles :lol:
You're kidding? :o
Nice job! I demand more exterior pics!
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Well done,That turbo sure works well acording to the dyno report.What boost did it take to make that power?
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Very nice work! That intercooler is pretty damn big.
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I too would like to know what you were boosting to. Also how were the egt's during the pull?
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heres an interesting one:
http://zaprzal.info/wykresy/holset/3vsk24.jpg
i too would love to knw what boost and egt's were like. :-)
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boost ~2 bar (~ 29 psi)
Egt not connected yet, but it is lower than with my last setup k24 at 29psi, no intercooler and not much less fueling ;)
heres an interesting one:
http://zaprzal.info/wykresy/holset/3vsk24.jpg
holset's dyno compared to my last k24 setup
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what really is interesting to me is that u still have the stock intake manifold... thats crazy.
but is it really that easy? haha it looks like all u need is a big turbo, big exhaust, big intercooler, and a good pump, and then you can spank 1.8ts.
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what really is interesting to me is that u still have the stock intake manifold... thats crazy.
but is it really that easy? haha it looks like all u need is a big turbo, big exhaust, big intercooler, and a good pump, and then you can spank 1.8ts.
Yep, that's all you need 8)
How's smoking? I believe no smoke under boost?
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even though its forced air, it can still benefit from a better manifold... balancing the pressures across all 4 ports will significantly reduce the risk of blowing a head gasket
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How's smoking? I believe no smoke under boost?
there is some smoke under boost. I need to change injector nozzles for brand new and check pump on some test bench
even though its forced air, it can still benefit from a better manifold... balancing the pressures across all 4 ports will significantly reduce the risk of blowing a head gasket
true...
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nice! you've got video's?
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also i wonder how concerned you should be with the prechambers dropping?
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this thread is very promising to me, but like i said i am scared that the franken motor i want to do will just end up with cracked precups, or worse yet one falling in like on daves car.
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How much does peening do to resolve this issue? Or is it strictly related to the inconel and aluminium expanding at different rates?
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The precups are the very reason I am just going to go straight to a 1Z/AHU motor.
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I dont have been never any problems with precups..
My latest dynosheet 1.6 and gt22v 1.5bar (http://koti.mbnet.fi/vepiku/teho_0003.jpg)
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What prechamber dropping has to do with high horsepower?
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I dont have been never any problems with precups..
My latest dynosheet 1.6 and gt22v 1.5bar (http://koti.mbnet.fi/vepiku/teho_0003.jpg)
which gt22v is it? nice plot
What prechamber dropping has to do with high horsepower?
I think, if engine(head) is in good condition or rebuild prechamber dropping shouldn't happen
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you prefer the holset or the vnt, and why?
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This is a really nice project!
Can we have more pictures please!
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this thread is very promising to me, but like i said i am scared that the franken motor i want to do will just end up with cracked precups, or worse yet one falling in like on daves car.
just peen and forget about it 8)
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you prefer the holset or the vnt, and why?
I'm afraid of big torque on this engine,tranny, clutch. I want it to be as much reliable as possible that's why I choose wastegated holset...
VNT is surely much, much nicer in daily car.
Can we have more pictures please!
what pictures would you like to see?
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i'd like to see a movie of it driving around, from inside the car, and from outside the car, surely it sounds awesome. i like your turbo choice too, its large but the internal wastegate keeps it simple, plus surge protection, and i think its just cool to have a holset.
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Can we have more pictures please!
what pictures would you like to see?
The engine room looks really cool, but I'd like to see how the car looks from the ouside too 8)
BTW, can you tell me the measurements of your turbo?
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which gt22v is it? nice plot
from transporter 150hp Garrett GT22V
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The engine room looks really cool, but I'd like to see how the car looks from the ouside too 8)
I need to clean it first :lol:
BTW, can you tell me the measurements of your turbo?
from what I found, turbine core is same as mitsubishi MHI TD04HL-13T
http://hem.passagen.se/lahi/turbo/TD04.pdf
exhaust wheel
outside diameter, inducer 52mm
exducer 45.6mm
tip width 8.9mm
compressor wheel
inducer 40.64mm
big diameter 56mm
tip width 4.98
exhaust housing 8.5cm2
as you can read here:
http://www.holset.co.uk/mainsite/files/2_1_1_1-Holset%20HX20-25-27.php
Developed in conjunction with our alliance partners MHI, the Holset HX20, HX25 and HX27 are .........
I think hx20, hx25, hx27 are just MHI turbo cores put into Holset special designed housing
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Those seem to be nearly identical measurements as my Schwitzer S1BG, it will be most interesting to see how they compare power-wise :)
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I think your setup will be MUCH more powerful. I use 1.6td head, stock manifolds, stock worn nozzles, pump is a bit crappy too... ;)
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I seriosly disagree about 170 hp being crappy :P
Sure, I have some stuff you don't, but It'll be interesting to see how much difference that makes since we have very similar turbos, and I expect to be running boost levels similar to yours.
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The engine room looks really cool, but I'd like to see how the car looks from the ouside too 8)
I need to clean it first :lol:
BTW, can you tell me the measurements of your turbo?
from what I found, turbine core is same as mitsubishi MHI TD04HL-13T
http://hem.passagen.se/lahi/turbo/TD04.pdf
exhaust wheel
outside diameter, inducer 52mm
exducer 45.6mm
tip width 8.9mm
compressor wheel
inducer 40.64mm
big diameter 56mm
tip width 4.98
exhaust housing 8.5cm2
as you can read here:
http://www.holset.co.uk/mainsite/files/2_1_1_1-Holset%20HX20-25-27.php
Developed in conjunction with our alliance partners MHI, the Holset HX20, HX25 and HX27 are .........
I think hx20, hx25, hx27 are just MHI turbo cores put into Holset special designed housing
Comparing the turbo maps for the td04 (subaru wrx turbo) and yours, it would appear you are correct. Havent checked the measurements but they look close.
Your turbo, shows me what my tdo4 and car might be able to accomplish, nice work.
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I seriosly disagree about 170 hp being crappy :P
Sure, I have some stuff you don't, but It'll be interesting to see how much difference that makes since we have very similar turbos, and I expect to be running boost levels similar to yours.
it's crappy :P you can make 170hp with good 10mm pump, and my is 11mm... It doesn't make power over 5000rpm... :(
I hope you'll brake 200hp :) I'm also curious if 1.9 head is much better than 1.6
td04
my turbo is td04HL I think... it has bigger exhaust wheel than td04