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General Information => General => Topic started by: EcoMod on October 09, 2008, 07:41:42 pm
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I found a rust free EcoDiesel under a rock last week. I am going to drag it home a see what is going on with it.
Few things that I know:
It over heated slightly. I the guy was driving it, allowed it to cool, drove some more, turned it off, and then it wouldn't start. It has been sitting over a year now.
Anyone have tips, pointers on troubleshooting this poor guy? I have quite a bit of mechanical knowledge and can do anything that needs to be done, myself(with standard tools)
Guess I will start with fuel. I already got it to turn over before committing to buy it.
Thanks!!
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well if the coolant was allowed to boil over, then the motor is possibly wrecked (well not totally, but it will need to have the head removed & checked, and that is sort of a big job)... if the coolant was still at full, then there is great hope for this motor.
some people are a bit clueless "hey what is that green-ish liquid leaking from my car???"
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I have already ordered a complete top end kit with head gasket and headbolts...thinking I should have went with ARP stud kit though. Plans are for more boost & CNG/propane inj.
Do you happen to know what these put down for TQ? (stock)
Thanks
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check our FAQ section and it should be in there?
Duane
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check our FAQ section and it should be in there?
Duane
Thanks Duane, I found it at that EcoDiesel Geocities.com website.
Horsepower (SAE net): 59 hp @ 4,500 rpm
Maximum torque: 81 lb-ft @ 2,400 rpm
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check our FAQ section and it should be in there?
Duane
Thanks Duane, I found it at that EcoDiesel Geocities.com website.
Horsepower (SAE net): 59 hp @ 4,500 rpm
Maximum torque: 81 lb-ft @ 2,400 rpm
well thats even better! i forget about that one? did you register your there?
i think they have a register there? :roll:
Duane
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(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/MOUNTAINGARAGE/EcoDUB/IMG00144.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/MOUNTAINGARAGE/EcoDUB/IMG00140.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/MOUNTAINGARAGE/EcoDUB/IMG00141.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/MOUNTAINGARAGE/EcoDUB/IMG00144.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/MOUNTAINGARAGE/EcoDUB/IMG00145.jpg)
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Looks like a good base to start from for sure.
Hows the interior?
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interior is decent. Carpet needs to be replaced. Seats are nice. dash has some small cracks by the defrost vents.
I am excited to get this thing running! Found a new OE waterneck in the parts box that came with.
Cleaning/Prep starts tomorrow. :D
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Ah yes: "Tornado Pink" I love that color. Believe it or not, some medium-heavy compound (I like Turtle wax polymer in the bottle), followed by a finer polish, then some carnauba wax, that paint will look AMAZING. I've got the same color (LY3D) on y 89 GLI. It looked as bad (or worse) when I got it. But that combination of compound, polish, then wax added 15 MPH when sitting. I think that's why VW painted alot of the diesels Tornado red during those years. They were slow as ***, so they had to at least make them LOOK sporty.
As for the motor: those ECO motors are stout. Assuming the HG is not blown, you're good for at least 300k before you'll need to look at head work. The bottom ends are pretty bomb-proof, assuming the rings dont' get cooked.
You scored a really nice one for sure. Keep er on the road.
Good luck.
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P.S. Before you even THINK of drving it, be sure to test the fan motor setup. The ECO had a 3-speed fan fan setup that's a bit complex (in comparison to the all the other 1.6 diesels).
Be sure to pull the plug off the fan switch, figure out which is the lad, and which are not, then bridge a hot wire from the battery to the 2 non-hot leads. The fan should come on at 2 different speeds. The 3rd speed is for the AC/Defrost when engaged. If the fan does not work, then you're in for a treat. That car uses a special fan motor that only the 1991-1992 ECOdiesel and the Corrado VR6 used. Most catalogs don't list them. You'll have to search them by part number off the motor. Either way, they ain't cheap ($300-500 new).
Again, good luck boss!
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P.S. Before you even THINK of drving it, be sure to test the fan motor setup. The ECO had a 3-speed fan fan setup that's a bit complex (in comparison to the all the other 1.6 diesels).
Be sure to pull the plug off the fan switch, figure out which is the lad, and which are not, then bridge a hot wire from the battery to the 2 non-hot leads. The fan should come on at 2 different speeds. The 3rd speed is for the AC/Defrost when engaged. If the fan does not work, then you're in for a treat. That car uses a special fan motor that only the 1991-1992 ECOdiesel and the Corrado VR6 used. Most catalogs don't list them. You'll have to search them by part number off the motor. Either way, they ain't cheap ($300-500 new).
Again, good luck boss!
follow his advice!!! seeing as how your car has a/c these fans do fail! later 2 fan units are the way to go.
http://www.dieselvw.com/165959455TRadiatorFan.htm
i would personally buy that if i wanted a new one. i replaced mine with one from the wreckers, and cost $10.
man i just saw this!!
http://www.dieselvw.com/4DoorPowerWindow.htm
VERY tempting!!!!
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QuantumTD and jtanguay - I really appreciate the input. These are the kind of things that no one would ever know to search for.
BTW- I know there is a ton of negative talk surrounding emiata,dieselvw, etc. but I would rather buy from him than Advance or autozone.
I really laughed at the guy crying about his universal turbo not fitting. What do these guys expect anyway? I'll buy the universal turbo for 300.00, make my own manifold and run 25psi. I have used these on Honda's before. Not bad for the money.
After really analyzing his pics, I can pretty much bet my last dollar that his stuff comes from China, where they are still making the MK2. Do I care? No. It is a foreign car, and I try to buy U.S. when I can. I just ordered a Hub from MJM AutoHaus, it was from a German company, but was made in China.
I repaired a 4500.00 NEC HD Projector at my work on Friday. Looking at the circuit boards, they all said made in china. One even had a Sony Chip on it.
After I get all of the bugs werked out of this Eco, And get some new wheels/tires. I am definitely getting the power window kit.
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follow his advice!!! seeing as how your car has a/c these fans do fail! later 2 fan units are the way to go.
http://www.dieselvw.com/165959455TRadiatorFan.htm
i would personally buy that if i wanted a new one.
That fan motor is the wrong one. The ECO motor is much bigger, and has a pulley on the blade to run the dummy fan.
If you find you need a motor, send me a PM. I'll provide the part number. The only place I've seen them for sale is thru IMC parts.
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well you guys i own a Harley Davidson and it has parts made in japan !
i was disappointed ! the only thing that i know is american made is my rabbit pickup! and i consider that perfected in my garage!
the only thing i consider american made is if i made it myself! i don't care what a tag or label says! i believe in my self :roll:
L.O.L.
Duane
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If you contact Peter at TDIParts.com he can get you a compatable fan for not too expensive (IIRC it was about $90). The only problem is that on the the first and third speeds are wired up. (On the stock setup the first speed is activated by the first level of the rad temp switch and the AC being switched on, speed to is activated by the 2nd level of the rad temp switch or the AC high pressure switch, and the 3rd level is activated by the coolant temp switch on the head's side coolant flange.) I wired my ex-ecodiesel so that speed three would be activated in place of speed 2. You only have to move one wire on the relays up by the coolant bottle. The smaller relay does speed 2 and the larger one does speed 3.
If you are in a junkyard and spot the fan motor in a Mk3 VR6 you'll see that the motor is the same power, and has the same connector. But the mounting tabs are in a different spot, and the fanwheel is different :(
The OE fan system uses 450 watts on high speed. It moves a LOT of air.
-Jason
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The OE fan system uses 450 watts on high speed. It moves a LOT of air.
-Jason
and will only last about 5-10 minutes at this speed... ask me how i know :lol:
i thought the resistor pack was for the a/c continuous duty cycle, and then the a/c high temp switch or thermoswitch to kick the fan into medium or high? cars without a/c do not have the resistor to get the additional 3rd low speed...
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Right, the resistor pack slows down the middle speed to create the low speed for the first level of the rad thermoswitch and AC.
FWIW the wiring diagrams for that fan system aren't in the Bentley manual. They are on Bentley's website though. But even those aren't totally complete, they don't show the temp sensor on the side of the engine. Also, the 50 amp fuse mounted to the bracket for the middle and high speed relays runs both the middle and high speed. The low speed one is on the normal fuse block.
-Jason
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Why buy something that you know is lowest-bidder Chinese knockoff stuff when you can buy the original OEM stuff with the actual manufacturer's brand on it for not much more? (Granted, some of that is made in China, too, but a lot of what eMiata sells is knockoffs.)
I prefer AutohausAZ.com for most of this stuff... in most cases, they only sell OEM equivalent or better parts. If they don't have something, I fall back on VW-specific vendors such as 1stVWParts and World Impex.
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1st things first- I have to get everything back together so I can start testing/troubleshooting.
I would buy good, used fans before a Chinese unit. I am not stupid, and do not prefer to buy chinese over oem, that is just nuts.
I am an Engineer for a government contractor and can make the appropriate mechanical decisions on whether to buy oem, or aftermarket. Thanks for the suggestions.
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So, I am a lucky guy with a wife that really likes VW's. She has a Passat 5 speed GLX VR6 wagon.
We are going to resurrect the Eco! I called ThePartsPlace and ordered a New, fully assembled Cylinder head.
It should be here tomorrow. I will post some pics. I will be port matching the intake and cleaning up the cyl head also. :twisted: