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Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 04, 2008, 02:24:38 pm: I'm not very familiar with autos. I'm doing the filter and figured I should take some pictures.

Is this stuff normal looking?

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Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: blkboostedtruck on October 04, 2008, 03:18:05 pm: wow looks dirty! prolly never been changed? see i told you you should of given me that tranny!
i can't wait to see what mine look like?
prolly should change it again after 500miles or km however you do it up there?
Duane
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: the caveman on October 04, 2008, 04:11:58 pm: Diff looks okay. Has it ever been opened before ? That metal could be there from a long ago. If the ATF is still reddish and doesn't smell burnt, it's fine. Be warned though, if the oil has been in there a long time i.e. more than 100,000 kms or 6-7 years, changing it may cause the trans to fail. All that new ATf has so much detergent in it that it will wash away all the gunk and because now the viscosity is lower it may leak and slip. Other than top ups, good working autos should be left alone unless the ATF is changed regularly.
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 04, 2008, 04:47:14 pm: No idea if it has ever been changed, I just got the car. I hope it survives. I plan to take it on an couple hour highway run and then change the fluid and filter again. I'm using the cheapest, crappiest ATF I can find in the hopes that it has the least amount of additives in it
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: the caveman on October 04, 2008, 04:59:46 pm: How did it shift before you opened it ? Was it okay and you just had to look , or was there already a problem. To me the diff looked fine, but was it noisy on overrun ? Are the shifts crisp and smooth? Try what you said, just hope it holds up. The only common problem with those even when they were okay was that the ATF would seep into the diff. Check the diff once in a while and let the excess ATF out and then top up the tranny. Don't worry too much about diluted gear oil, once the R&P are hardened with age, as long as they have oil, they will be happy.
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 04, 2008, 05:10:58 pm: I've never heard this car run. I bought it with a run-away TD attached to it. I figured I should pull some of it apart while I had it out of the car. I hope I don't have to rebuild it.

Do you know how to fix the leaking diff problem? I'd rather it be pure gear oil in there
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: Quantum TD on October 04, 2008, 10:47:46 pm: Quote from: "the caveman"
The only common problem with those even when they were okay was that the ATF would seep into the diff.

Indeed. The early transmissions had machine-work flaws on the seal housing between the diff and the slush box. The machined hole was larger than the original factory seal. My sister's auto trans with only 110k in her 1988 Jetta grenaded while driving at 50 mph. Not mush fun.

WHile I never did the repair, I saw a VW tech do it a couple of times. The VW service bulletin was to replace the seal, but also to use a special paste on the outside of the seal edge.

You could do the repair on the car, but obviously, it's easier with the trans out.

I'd stronly recommend that you replace the seal if you're planning on using this trans. WHile the R&P may hold up on thin oil (as suggested above), the bearings will NOT. That's what gives up the ghost when these older Auto trannies blow.
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: jtanguay on October 05, 2008, 04:23:15 am: i thought you couldn't run gear oil in an auto tranny because of the friction surfaces???

i wonder what they put in those transmission stop leak products. lucasoil makes a really good one :wink: and royal purple makes a good tranny fluid with their synerlec stuff but not sure for auto boxes...
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 05, 2008, 06:57:46 am: The diff is seperate and has gear oil, the rest has ATF. I am almost tempted to install it and if it blows up rebuild it. Does anyone know if the diff is the same as the manual ones?

Does anyone have any info on this seal replacement?
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: the caveman on October 05, 2008, 07:40:56 am: The gear oil doesn't get into the transmission section, it's the other way around. And the reason i say that it's not a super big problem is because almost everyone of those diffs have some ATF in them. The newer transmissions [i say that, but it's the model that started with the passat in 1990]have the problem the other way around-gear oil finds it's way into the transmission, a much more serious problem.
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: clbanman on October 05, 2008, 08:10:38 am: Quote
Indeed. The early transmissions had machine-work flaws on the seal housing between the diff and the slush box. The machined hole was larger than the original factory seal.

WHile I never did the repair, I saw a VW tech do it a couple of times. The VW service bulletin was to replace the seal, but also to use a special paste on the outside of the seal edge.

I'm not sure how much oversize the bore is. We use Loctite 573 for a similar application on our trucks with gaps up to .25mm. Loctite 504 is good for up to .73mm.
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: bevboyy on October 05, 2008, 04:03:21 pm: Tyler, I'd be really suspicious of those metal flakes. There's quite a bit of them in that pan. A flush and fill may work for a bit, but since this is an autobox, I'd replace the torque convertor as a bit of insurance..
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 05, 2008, 04:09:26 pm: Why are you suggesting the torque converter JC?
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: smoken u on October 05, 2008, 05:47:03 pm: during the time that I worked at the volkswagen specialty shop in alliston, I must have replaced at least 30-40 auto trans units, although I've never seen one with chunks of metal in them, I did often find ones in which the clutch baskets and clutches had worn away into nothing and left metal/friction material deposts in the bottom of the trans. torque converters are very bad on MKII and MKIII vw's. I'd cahnge the fluid, and filter, drive it for maybe 2 weeks and then change it again, so that all the crap that is left in the trans is completely cleaned out.
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: RabbitJockey on October 08, 2008, 03:23:41 pm: my suggestion:

1.add gear oil
2.add semen
3.add some new seals and what not
4.add some assembling
5.drive and enjoy
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: zukgod1 on October 08, 2008, 03:48:40 pm: Quote from: "Trev0rbr"
my suggestion:

2.add semen

Wait... What????? :?
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: jimfoo on October 08, 2008, 03:55:41 pm: Maybe it gives your tranny new life. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think he has been looking at too much porn. :lol:
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 08, 2008, 05:29:58 pm: Well I have most of those steps covered, not all though :? :lol:

Hopefully step 5 will be soon
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: fdnyguy on October 08, 2008, 06:19:12 pm: Quote from: "zukgod1"
Quote from: "Trev0rbr"
my suggestion:

2.add semen

Wait... What????? :?

Would this be for coming and not going? :D
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: Turbinepowered on October 09, 2008, 03:04:32 am: Quote from: "Trev0rbr"
my suggestion:

2.add semen

5.drive and enjoy

Wroooooooooooong kind of tranny there, bud! :D
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 19, 2008, 02:25:42 pm: Well it turns out I'm a genious idiot. I *thought* the tranny was siezed so I ordered up a rebuild kit and started studying my bentley. Once I put the tranny up on the table I knew that it wasn't siezed and the piece I was trying to turn isn't suppose to turn but I figured I was this far, why not go all the way.

Pictures showing my stupidity below :)

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Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 19, 2008, 02:27:30 pm: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/burnyourmoney/PA180363.jpg)

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Hopefully it works when it comes time to install it :roll:
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: Smokey Eddy on October 19, 2008, 02:56:31 pm: What on earth is the second last picture of?
I dont know autos at all and that picture looks like a brain or something.

Also,
Quote
Well I have most of those steps covered, not all though

Hopefully step 5 will be soon

Was step 2 kinda awkward with Giles around or did you not do this in Giles' surgically clean injection shop. I wouldn't bring a Tranny in there either.
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 19, 2008, 04:09:13 pm: That's the valve body. New trannys use electric solenoids to control the tranny, these old ones use hydraulic pressure. I have no idea what goes on in that contraption. I just cleaned it and put it back together.

I did it in the shop. There were no pumps around or anything. Some of the pumps we get are way filthier then that transmission so it really isn't much different. You just have to clean up afterwards so the bench still sparkles.

Step 2 will occur if the thing works afterwards :lol:
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: Slave2School on October 20, 2008, 08:36:27 pm: While you have it there contact peloquin and see if you can even maybe use the 80% kit they have or the real meal deal :D
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 21, 2008, 07:09:42 am: You must think I have money :lol:

The nice thing about the auto is you don't need to take the diff or final drive apart, it's completely seperate
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: zukgod1 on October 21, 2008, 07:36:41 am: Whats the final drive on that trans Tyler?
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 21, 2008, 09:35:41 am: Do you mean the ratio?
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: zukgod1 on October 21, 2008, 09:53:34 am: Ya. R&P and final gear..

Or just what will mph it be spinning at when the engine is @ 3K?
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 21, 2008, 04:54:23 pm: I'm not sure. Somewhere around 3000 - 3500 at 60 mph/100kmh from what I've read
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: blkboostedtruck on October 21, 2008, 05:05:35 pm: whats your code Tyler?
i've got a EQ with a 376 R&P
Duane
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: burn_your_money on October 21, 2008, 05:45:00 pm: I can't seem to locate the code. Lame eh?
Title: How do my inards look?
Post by: blkboostedtruck on October 21, 2008, 06:28:51 pm: top side upper right hand ear bolt location!
find it and i can tell you what you got! Joe got me all info on them!
Duane