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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: zukgod1 on August 12, 2008, 02:17:55 pm
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Yip my car gave me the middle finger today as I was trying to leave for lunch. :(
Ever sense that last turbo blew and it ran away on my in Montana It's been struggling to start and the economy has gone down gradually.
Well I go to head to the post office and give it a crank, it usually grabs and takes off after just a couple revolution, not this time. So I cycled the glow plugs a few times and tried again. It would ALMOST start but not.
I eventually ran the batt down to much to spin it over fast enough to do anything so I hooked up a co-workers car with cables and gave her hell for a while longer. Nothing. Ran and bought some starting fluid just to get it home, nothing. So, I have my wife heading up here after work with the car hauler to haul it home.
Guess I'll have to drive the Dakota for a few weeks. That will cost a fortune in gas in comparison.
I have already ordered the Total seal rings and head gasket but the rungs wont ship until the 22nd so I wont see them until the 27th at the earliest.
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bummer :(
for that to happen the compression should be really low, mine starts happily with 300psi (don't know the minimum)
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Well it doesn't help my brand new battery is low so it's just not spinning that fast. I had this problem a week ago but I was home and it was Sunday, I just put a charger on it and cam back a couple hrs later and started right up. Even with jumper cables hooked to it today it wont fire.
I'll be sure to take some pics when I tear it down if I fond something spectacular.
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Oh ya, I'm going to do a compression test before I tear it down to see what's really up.
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Yeah, big bummer. :( Hope the rebuild goes smoothly.
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SH*T, I JUST REBUILT THE DAMN THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forgive me, I'm a tad frustrated at the moment..
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Believe me, I know the feeling.
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Maybe you two can start a club. Which, respectfully, I hope I never join...
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X2 on the club ;)
bummer, I was lucky enough to plan a rebuild before it died, had my volks mechanic do the work as I just didn't have the time. cost me 25 hundred :shock: but now it's fast and reliable!
remember some wise man here once said
"you can have fast and cheap but not reliable... or fast and reliable, but not cheap"
best of luck to you dude! my diesel injected heart feels for your loss
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The compression on my old rabbit was 350 across the board...This winter in the cold in ohio I had it plugged in and new starter, 1000 CA battery, and 4/5 days ended up with my wife's jeep pulling it to life in the morning. Once it ran though it would start on its own for about 2.5 hours after shut down. More than that it was pulling time.....I am selling the beast and now driving a GTI and rebuilding a 1.6 Turbo completely. SOOOO should I be considered X3 in the club??? Even it not I know how you feel
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hey Dan you want a AAZ? i got some coming next week?
an AAZ could give that jetta an attitude adjustment!
Duane
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y'all arn't the only ones with bad luck. My autocross season is pretty much over. My trans is still apart from shearing 2nd gear out at the Atl Pro Solo. quafe diff is still at Autotech for the lifetime guarantee. I found little chunks of metal coming off the diff when the trans was taken apart. :x
Won the local FSP championship using borrowed cars, but can't spent the money to fix the trans fast to make Solo Nationals.
I share your frustration
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Dan how am I supposed to convince the wife how reliable theses diesel VW's are when you go breaking yours!!! :twisted:
let me know if I can help at all....
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hey Dan you want a AAZ? i got some coming next week?
an AAZ could give that jetta an attitude adjustment!
Duane
I would love one Duane but at this moment I've got to stick with what's already bolted in there.
Toss in some rings and a new head gasket and I'm golden (I hope).
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Dan how am I supposed to convince the wife how reliable theses diesel VW's are when you go breaking yours!!! :twisted:
let me know if I can help at all....
Dont tell her man!!!!!!!!!!
But seriously it's my bad it's broken really. I knew I was being hard on that damn turbo..
Hell who knows, maybe I'll get it apart and discover I broke some rings installing them.. Stranger things have happened.
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hey Dan you want a AAZ? i got some coming next week?
an AAZ could give that jetta an attitude adjustment!
Duane
I would love one Duane but at this moment I've got to stick with what's already bolted in there.
Toss in some rings and a new head gasket and I'm golden (I hope).
i'm talking a second motor that you can take the time to build right!
so your never in a crunch! maybe even a second body for the motor
you know what i mean?
Duane
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hey Dan you want a AAZ? i got some coming next week?
an AAZ could give that jetta an attitude adjustment!
Duane
I would love one Duane but at this moment I've got to stick with what's already bolted in there.
Toss in some rings and a new head gasket and I'm golden (I hope).
i'm talking a second motor that you can take the time to build right!
so your never in a crunch! maybe even a second body for the motor
you know what i mean?
Duane
I see what your trying to do!!!!
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makes sence to me! :twisted:
Duane
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makes sence to me! :twisted:
Duane
Me too! Must be why I have that 1.6 QTD engine sitting on the side porch. :D
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I have another TD engine sitting here, the plan was to refresh this one then swap out at a later date. I've been forced to hurry things up though so I can do a complete swap..
I think I'll switch back to the 10mm pump head though when I'm doing the rings. Just as well be dumping assloads of fuel in there from the get go..
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I have another TD engine sitting here, the plan was to refresh this one then swap out at a later date. I've been forced to hurry things up though so I can do a complete swap..
I think I'll switch back to the 10mm pump head though when I'm doing the rings. Just as well be dumping assloads of fuel in there from the get go..
Out of pure curiosity, who did you purchase that pump head from?
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I have another TD engine sitting here, the plan was to refresh this one then swap out at a later date. I've been forced to hurry things up though so I can do a complete swap..
I think I'll switch back to the 10mm pump head though when I'm doing the rings. Just as well be dumping assloads of fuel in there from the get go..
Out of pure curiosity, who did you purchase that pump head from?
I bought them from Tintin and i sent the 10mm to Dan and i kept the 12mm
Duane
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i struggled with starting problems for about a year only to find i have to spend a decent amount of money for a rebuilt IP and lapped,shimmed and pop tested injectors and honing (rebuild) + new rings
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that sucks! hope it isn't too painful to fix. My frankendiesel has been down more than it has been up in the 1.5 years i've owned it.
of all the cars i've owned i've never gotten through from one oil change (3000 miles) to the next without some catastrophy... except for my '89 geo metro with 200k miles, and my 1982 mercedes benz 300D 4cyl stick with 350k. Those were some rock solid rides :)
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Well I tore it apart today.
Did a compression test first though.
Ready for this?
#1, 110
#2, 120
#3, 170
#4, 120
I dropped some oil in #3 and 4 and they came up to 180 and 220. I don't know how it was running at all.
So anyway, I found some pcs of turbo on the top of #2, nothing serious at all but there just the same, 1 and 2 had some ever so slight kisses from the exhaust valves probably from the runaway.
On #1,2 and 4 the second ring was stuck in its grove.
The bores look fine so I'll be running a ball hone through there really quick then clean up the pistons up and get it ready to reassemble once the rings arrive.
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Well I tore it apart today.
Did a compression test first though.
Ready for this?
#1, 110
#2, 120
#3, 170
#4, 120
Daaaaaaaaayummmmmmmm, dude, my stock gasser Fox was beating those numbers! Well, except the 170.
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wow, you have to love these little engines... less than half the minimum compression and they still run :D
well sort of :roll:
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I'm amazed it ran as good as it did..
Cant wait till I get the new rings so I can reassemble it and take it for a drive..
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Whats the cause of the low compression?
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Well I hesitate to say really, first off the second ring was stuck in it's land there's one reason I'm guessing then the lower ring-land on #2 was actually broken (just discovered this today).
Then theres the fact that they are Top Line rings..
I read on here once about another member getting about 15k out of his Top Line rings before they went to crap so make your own decisions.
I'm all but ready for my new rings to show up.
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that sucks! hope it isn't too painful to fix. My frankendiesel has been down more than it has been up in the 1.5 years i've owned it.
of all the cars i've owned i've never gotten through from one oil change (3000 miles) to the next without some catastrophy... except for my '89 geo metro with 200k miles, and my 1982 mercedes benz 300D 4cyl stick with 350k. Those were some rock solid rides :)
Thread jack! :lol:
Do tell about your Franken. Whats your setup and what was the problem?
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Pic of broken ring land.
Used my cell phone so it's kinda blury but I'll bet you get the idea.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/zukgod1/Piston.jpg)
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I had a NA block with new OE 1mm over pistons in it.
I had already removed one so I took some measurements and busted out the die grinder and made a relief for the oil squirter. It turned out really nice so I think I may actually pull the other 3 pistons and do the same thing. i would feel better with OE pistons in there combined with the Total Seal rings..
Anyway, I'll post up some pics when I get them back from cleaning.
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Dan, the broken ring land is very disturbing. Were these new pistons?
It's not possible that the ring compressor let the oil ring slip out a bit when you were installing these right?
I have to assume you were very careful installing pistons (not using excessive force) and mindful of the bottom of the ring compressor tool being flat on the block deck.
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Dan, the broken ring land is very disturbing. Were these new pistons?
It's not possible that the ring compressor let the oil ring slip out a bit when you were installing these right?
I have to assume you were very careful installing pistons (not using excessive force) and mindful of the bottom of the ring compressor tool being flat on the block deck.
I agree about it being disturbing Myke.
All of the pistons went in with ease however anything is possable as I'm sure you know. The ring compressor I'm using is the same one I've been using for a long time, I've never had a problem in the past. That's not to say I wont or didnt.
All the rings looked great as far as being in place when I removed them, none were bent or broken, until I removed them anyway then I proceded to destroy them. I would think that if the oil ring had came out of the compressor that it would have been broken and it was not.
You can bet you little tush I'll be paying extra close attention when the new rings go in though.
Oh ya they were new pistons, once again Top Line product.
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So any clue as to what the cause of low compression is? betting on stuck rings?
Do you suspect bent valves given the marks in the pistons?
Do you plan to drop new ring in and do an end gap measurement?
Is it safe to assume a failed turbo made it run away?
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So any clue as to what the cause of low compression is? betting on stuck rings?
Do you suspect bent valves given the marks in the pistons?
Do you plan to drop new ring in and do an end gap measurement?
Is it safe to assume a failed turbo made it run away?
All the second rings were stuck in the grooves so I suspect that's the reason for the low compression, then the broken one of course.
Valves all look great, the marks on the pistons are so lite i didn't see them until I started cleaning them up.
Yes the new rings will have the end gaps checked for sure.
And there is no other reason for a run away in this case. the intercooler filled up with oil so it started drinking it.
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Man what a bummer!!
sorry for your troubles Dan!
if you need any help let me know...even tho I am the one who usually needs your help...lol
but I'm here if you do. :)
was all this damage from the run away then?? :?:
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was all this damage from the run away then?? :?:
Yes :cry:
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So I have this thing completely tore down waiting for the rings..
When I ordered I was told "Expected ship date 08/22/08" I ordered them on 08/08 BTW.
Saturday I get a postcard saying they wont ship till 09/05 now :evil:
I'm at a junction point here. I can get an OE set from Myke but not till first of next week, that's not his fault just has to come from the dealer, by then I'm only another week to get the Total Seal rings (if they ship) which I would rather have.
It's costing me $27.00 pr day to get to work in my truck VS $13.00 in the car so I'm loosing $14.00 pr day.. I'm already out 11 days = $154.00. I'll be out another $154. if I wait for Total Seal so I will have spent well over $300.00 in extra gas money plus the $200+ for the rings..
I could have bought a damn short block already!!!!!!
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well you know what i would say!
spare motor spare diesel car!
for the amount of miles you drive a second diesel would be ideal!
Duane
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well you know what i would say!
spare motor spare diesel car!
for the amount of miles you drive a second diesel would be ideal!
Duane
Oh good hell!!!! :lol:
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pitch all those numbers to the wife and she might let you get another one :D
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heck just a simple N/A rabbit or something? i would put you on a payment plan with something i got?
Duane
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So I have this thing completely tore down waiting for the rings..
When I ordered I was told "Expected ship date 08/22/08" I ordered them on 08/08 BTW.
Saturday I get a postcard saying they wont ship till 09/05 now :evil:
I'm at a junction point here. I can get an OE set from Myke but not till first of next week, that's not his fault just has to come from the dealer, by then I'm only another week to get the Total Seal rings (if they ship) which I would rather have.
It's costing me $27.00 pr day to get to work in my truck VS $13.00 in the car so I'm loosing $14.00 pr day.. I'm already out 11 days = $154.00. I'll be out another $154. if I wait for Total Seal so I will have spent well over $300.00 in extra gas money plus the $200+ for the rings..
I could have bought a damn short block already!!!!!!
I remember Hillfolk taking the stock VW rings to Total Seal, and they were impressed with the quality. Although I can't be real sure, but I think they also said that there wouldn't be much improvement useing Total Seal rings over the stock rings.
It was a few years ago, maybe 4 or 6. But it was on this board, not the old Host Board.
Take it for what its worth :wink:
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I remember Hillfolk taking the stock VW rings to Total Seal, and they were impressed with the quality. Although I can't be real sure, but I think they also said that there wouldn't be much improvement useing Total Seal rings over the stock rings.
It was a few years ago, maybe 4 or 6. But it was on this board, not the old Host Board.
Take it for what its worth
I remember him doing that... But even getting OE rings at this point is a time thing, by the time I had a set and sent them to Total seal and recieved them back I wold be beyond the time for the original order.
CRAP!!!
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heck just a simple N/A rabbit or something? i would put you on a payment plan with something i got?
Duane
If you weren't so damn far away Duane I would have taken you up on the offer months ago :D
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I have a full set of total seal coming to me.....
I sure as hell hope it was worth the money.
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Me too me too!!!
On a briter note, I called to cancel mine and was told they were shipped. Tracking says I will receive them wed. Will report what happens.
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Me too me too!!!
On a briter note, I called to cancel mine and was told they were shipped. Tracking says I will receive them wed. Will report what happens.
did you order the full diesel-specific set, or just the tops?
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Full set for the Deisel.
Called Total Seal to get the part#.
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Full set for the Deisel.
Called Total Seal to get the part#.
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Full set for the Deisel.
Called Total Seal to get the part#.
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Full set for the Deisel.
Called Total Seal to get the part#.
De-Ja-View :lol:
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Do you have the part number now? How much did they run you if you don't mind me asking?
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Full set for the Deisel.
Called Total Seal to get the part#.
De-Ja-View :lol:
Ya so not only did it post 3 times but I spelled Diesel wrong to top it off.
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Do you have the part number now? How much did they run you if you don't mind me asking?
The part number for 1mm over pistons is 7844-40 (TSR-S7844-40)
.50mm over would be 7844-20 (TSR-S7844-20)
Standard would be 7844-00 (TSR-S7844-00)
Summit Racing # is the one in the ( ).
They were $191.69 before shipping.
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holy hell, is that just the rings???
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Thanks
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holy hell, is that just the rings???
Umm, yup.
Belive me at this point I'm wishin I had just bought OE rings and been done with it but I guess we live and learn.
The true test will be 15k miles from now.
If it's still running at that point I'll be happy, it damn well better be, at that time there will be cold white stuff all over the ground.
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Interesting. I don't think I paid anywhere near that, though I could be wrong. Actually come to think of it, I just got the gapless rings as my pistons came with new rings.
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Getting closer
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/zukgod1/IMG001622.jpg)
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Well it's pretty much assembled.
I have a problem though.
For some reason I cant seem to get the V belts routed correctly..
I think I must have inhaled to many fumes last night.
I mean I only have 3 belts. The one on the alt/ AC I didn't take off and the one that goes from the crank to the AC wont fit the power steering pump.
So I get it all back together and the belt for the PS is to big..? WTH???
Maybe I need to go back to bed.
Anyone have a pic of a engine with the accy's installed and belts on?
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Dan I just emailed you a pic of mine....does that help??
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wow that was close deadline to the holiday weekend. so how does it run?
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Runs just fine :)
Detailed story to come later today.
I'll start it off by saying 53 willeys save my a$$!!!!!
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Ok so here is the story.
It's Saturday morning and I'm heading out to get the car finished up.
I give it a once over to make sure I hadn't forgotten to torque anything then proceeded to install the injectors, Well once I got to #2 I broke the head :( snapped the outside of the injector boss..
Well after maybe 10 min of shock I sent a couple text messages and crawled into bed in the fetal position under the covers and whimpered for a while.. I received a text back from 53 willeys saying he could take it to work to see if he could get someone to weld it up for me. So I got dressed and went back out, 25 min later I had the head in the truck and heading out to drop it off. 53 willeys was able to get it repaired and I was able to pick it up Monday morning at his house about 8:30.
Returned home and proceeded to reassemble. Took me a couple hours to get it back to the same place (installing injectors) this time I busted out the torque wrench and did it properly. no cracking..
finished reassembling and gave the key a twist.
After getting the lines bleed I turned the key one more tie and it fired right up...
After some playing around I got the timing set and put on the wheels, went inside and rested as I was TOASTED!!!
Took it for a drive to just get some miles on it before I had to take off for work in the AM.
When we returned form the test drive my wife asked if I was going to plug it in.. I said, nope! it's suppose to get into the low 40's tonight what better test then to see if it starts in 40 deg weather without glowplugs.
It was exactly 40 when I walked out the door, turned the key and VROOM!!. Fired right up. Drove to work just fine.
The blowby is almost non existent right now. Hope it stays that way.
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Well it's pretty much assembled.
I have a problem though.
For some reason I cant seem to get the V belts routed correctly..
I had forgotten the second WP pulley :oops:
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so sounds like the total seal rings are the way to go!
i wonder how cold you can go before you would have to plug it in with those total seal rings?
good to hear that your mobile again!
my caddy i carry a tow bar that pins to the bumper just in case !
i have not used it yet but i know it works! knock on wood :shock:
Duane
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Time will tell Duane.
I mean it lasted 15k before I had problems last time although I did have GOBBS of blowby after the second turbo blew up..
It actually had to much blow by from new as far as I'm concerned. I remember Mr Diesel commenting when I was starting it that it seemed to have an excessive amount of blow by but both of us decided it must have been do to the fact that it hadn't been broken in yet..
I'll try to keep this thread updated as the miles pile on, wont take long to get a few at 120+ miles pr day just to get to work and home.
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400 miles and still running :D
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So I had this weird condition (no smart remarks Duane).
It had this shake at about 2k rpm's under slight throttle, you could accelerate past it but if you were on say main street and just putting it would vibrate the whole car.
Also it sounded like a Subaru with a aftermarket exhaust system on it.
All 4 cyl are running I broke free each of the injector lines one at a time to listen for a dead cyl but they were all about the same.
So I pulled out the Big Gun injectors and installed them. Idles smooth and the vibration is gone..
makes me wonder why I removed the big ass injectors in the first place...
Sure was a nice drive in to work today.
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Hmmmm
Nice work!
nice cruise control too ;) saw the diaphram (that is what it's for right?)
My jetter is a real junker that i work hard with zero dollars to keep going :P yours actually looks nice
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Hmmmm
Nice work!
nice cruise control too ;) saw the diaphragm (that is what it's for right?)
My jetter is a real junker that i work hard with zero dollars to keep going :P yours actually looks nice
Thanks :)
Yes it has cruise, cant wait till I get to use it again. Breaking in the engine again so using the cruise has been banned for a while..
It took me a long time (in my mind) to get it looking good.
I picked up the flares, bumpers and skirts from a salvage yard on half price day for I think $80.00, that alone changed the look allot. Then the wheels of course..
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yeah i got big pumpers and black bbs style 15's
i need to find undamaged flares... I can't get a complete set at the yard i go to.
Changing the colour does a lot too :twisted: :wink:
oh, and slamming it on coilies